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Greta75 -> RE: how do you break a fastfood/takeout addiction? (12/2/2014 9:10:45 AM)

Frankly, even if food was cheap and healthy eating out all the time, it would still be difficult to purchase the "healthier" ones all the time.

If I cooked my own food, it would be fried chicken or pasta everyday. That's not healthy!

I think the key thing is just to find healthy food you can enjoy, whether cooking at home or eating out and get addicted to them!




outlier -> RE: how do you break a fastfood/takeout addiction? (12/2/2014 10:24:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant

I robbed this from another thread cuz it's fuckin brilliant.

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

Except that that equation is flawed, and about 20 years outdates scientifically.

Weightloss isn't as simple as calories in versus out. For starters not all calories create the same amount of energy in the body. Calories from carbohydrates and sugar are pretty much 1 for 1 as far as the muscle energy they give you. They store well in both liver and fat cells, causing you to readily put on weight when having an excess of these.
Calories from protein and fat on the other hand (especially fat) do not easily become available to our body as energy. The chemical reactions we do to transfer them into available energy causes about a 30% loss in the process, making it so that 100 calories from bread are equivalent to only about 70 calories from butter.

Furthermore carbohydrates are very low in nutrient value for the amount of calories. To eat the equivalent amount of nutrient from most carb forms (breads, pasta, etc) as you would from steak and vegetables you need to eat about 6 times as much bread, and you will still end up deficient in certain minerals and vitamins.
Mineral and vitamin deficiencies cause you to become more hungry and less satiation, in an attempt to prompt you to eat more in order to make up the deficiency, causing you to acquire vastly more calories when eating carbs than you would eating protein and vegetables.

Then there is the fact that food which creates a blood sugar spike (like carbohydrates) causes our body to be more receptive to fat storage. When you have an excessive intake of calories combined with a blood sugar spike your body will readily store the excess as fat. When you have an excess of calories and no blood sugar spike, your body will store the excess in your liver, and when your liver is full store a limited amount of the excess as fat and dump the rest via your bowls. (I.E. eating excessive protein and fat will give you the runs... not make you fat...)

Lastly there is the issue of cutting down calorie intake below usage levels on a consistent basis. Doing this will cause your body to perceive starvation, and make it hunker down and expend less calories in an effort to conserve energy. Your metabolism will go down, and fat storage -when possible- will go up. Not only that, but your body will remain in this mode for weeks after you come out of 'starvation mode' and so, as soon as you resume eating 'normal' amount of calories, you will store excessive amounts of them for weeks after your diet. Much healthier than consistently eating less calories than you expend is to eat less calories than you expend on some days, and more calories than you expend other days.

The myth of 'calories in versus calories out' has done more damage to the Westen word than can be measured. Calories in versus out means NOTHING without talking about what type of calories you're putting in your body, the effects they have on your blood sugar, their objective value in terms of calorie/nutritional value, and the schedule with which you are consuming them.
It's really problematic when somebody who claims to care so much about people's overall fitness level would spread such dangerous misinformation as "the SAD (standard American diet) will make you healthy, if you only eat less of it" as it will not. At the most it will make you skinny while having dangerous levels of malnutrition that will cause an increase in all sorts of health issues and diseases at the same time.

People aren't designed to have 70% of their caloric intake come from low nutritional density foods such as carbs and refined sugars... ESPECIALLY not when they eat few enough calories of that low nutritionally dense food to have a weight/fat level in an 'acceptable BMI' range.


YMMV



I don't think it is brilliant. I think it is misguided repetition of misinformation.

There is so much wrong with it that it would take pages to break it all down and show all the
bad information built into it. So lets just start with carbs. It is true that all calories come from
one of 3 categories: carbohydrates, fats and proteins. to continue to equate all the items in
any one category is simplistic thinking to the point of being simple minded.

To say that vegetables such as: kale, spinach, chard(s), collard greens etc. are nutritionally the
same as a loaf of white bread is moronic. But that is what you do when you say "all carbs, blah, blah, blah."

As I said that is just a small sample of what is wrong with that post and the misinformed thinking behind it.
There is a LOT MORE!

This is something I care about and have done research on. The SAD (Standard American Diet) is toxic
in the long run. It is 60-65% processed food, 25% animal products, 10-15% veggies, fruits and starches.
65% of Americans are overweight and 30% are obese. Most people when asked say they try to eat healthy.

There are places on the web to get good scientifically peer reviewed research about diet and nutrition.
That post is not one of those places.

Outlier




eulero83 -> RE: how do you break a fastfood/takeout addiction? (12/2/2014 11:00:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LittleGirlHeart

I'm diabetic, so I don't think that italian would be good, tho I love chicken parminian, alfredo noodles and a heaping of marinara! Ty, though.
y ruied[:D]
Yes. Probably so. I mean I find healthy // non fast food tastyim not tota
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ORIGINAL: eulero83


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ORIGINAL: LittleGirlHeart

m struggling with wanting a salad from his place of work for dinner, however there is lima bean soup on the stove so I should not ask for food . I just am not finding it very tasty:/plus, I really need to learn to break this dependence / addiction on take out, specially if there's food at home


you are probably addicted to the taste of processed sauces and artificial aromas, you should give up with those and educate your thangue to feel other tastes, so give up ketchup, mayonnaise, soysauce and that kind of stuff you'll soon start to appreciate real food. If you want I can give you some recipes (italian food) that you can make in large amount during the weekend freeze it and then just boil or heat in the owen when needed, so you can split the effort in more confortable moments.




actually both chicken parmisan and alfredo sauce like cesar salad or pasta with meatballs are italo-american food and do not exist here in italy, I was thinking about: tortellini, lasagne, cannelloni, parmigiana, crespelle with various fillings, various kind of dampings, this are all things you can make in large quantity and put a single serving in one plastic bag or aluminium food containers and froze them.




littleladybug -> RE: how do you break a fastfood/takeout addiction? (12/2/2014 12:01:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LittleGirlHeart


Sadly I hate cooking, even simple stuff. But I might like crockpot cooking! And I love hunting for recipes. Just the making part, Is a different story.



Crockpot cooking is the best...

10-15 minutes of prep, and you get to smell the rewards for the next 6-8 hours. And, you can hunt through thousands of pages for ideas and recipes.






outlier -> RE: how do you break a fastfood/takeout addiction? (12/2/2014 12:03:55 PM)

More info about diet, carbohydrates and health, specifically diabetes.
I think it qualifies as latest science.

First this proviso: Type 1 and type 2 diabetes are different with different
causes, the proper diet will help with both. It is true that people who lose
weight sometimes can go off their meds but that is only with type 2.

This is from the 2014 10/11 issue of AARP magazine. As an
insurance company they want their people healthy. So
they are telling them about this book.

http://pubs.aarp.org/aarptm/20141011_PR/?folio=24#pg26

AARP HealthyYou 2014 10/11

George King MD Harvard diabetes specialist, researcher.
New Book Out: The Diabetes Reset Prevent It. Control It, Reverse It

Advocates 70% Carbohydrates, 15% Protein, 15% Fat

Step 1 Cut the Fat, Up The Fiber

"High fiber is the key because fiber makes you feel full quicker and helps
you absorb calories slower," King says, "That puts less strain on your beta cells
the cells - the cells in your pancreas that make insulin."

Step 2 Don't Rely On Supplements

New research finds that whole foods - think mainly fruits and vegetables -
contain molecules that activate the nutrients your body needs for weight
and blood sugar control. "That's why food works and supplements don't,"
King says "When you purify the vitamins out of the vegetables, you also
eliminate the antioxidant-activating molecules."


Note: That is the opposite of the high fat and high protein gurus.
Vegetables, and Fruits, both carbohydrates are the only source of fiber!
Animal products, meat and dairy, have no fiber. That is another
thing that the post had wrong. People who go on those foolish
high fat diets get constipated not the runs. Do the research.

The only thing I would not agree with is that this is "new research"
A Whole Foods Plant Based (WFPB) diet for total health including
proper weight has been used for at least the last 30-40 years.

Harvard is not the only one to recognize the value of a Whole Foods
Plant Based diet. (WFPB) Kaiser is now recommending that their physicians
counsel their patients to adapt it. Why, because they know that the healthier
they keep people the less their expenses. Say what you will about Kaiser I
am sure they have people who know how to count.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NjklRZ1ctQ&feature=youtu.be

Here is the actual article.

https://www.thepermanentejournal.org/issues/2013/spring/5117-nutrition.html

You don't diet to lower your weight. Your diet should be aimed at making
you as healthy as possible, then your weight will take care of itself.





SweetForDaddy -> RE: how do you break a fastfood/takeout addiction? (12/2/2014 12:14:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: littleladybug


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ORIGINAL: LittleGirlHeart


Sadly I hate cooking, even simple stuff. But I might like crockpot cooking! And I love hunting for recipes. Just the making part, Is a different story.



Crockpot cooking is the best...

10-15 minutes of prep, and you get to smell the rewards for the next 6-8 hours. And, you can hunt through thousands of pages for ideas and recipes.





I actually got a whiff reading that. I should stop reading this thread its making me hungry. Stews are so easy and super tasty and filling, I like making risotto too, that is pretty easy to whip up and a basic pasta in tomato sauce, so simple. I have to have carbs every day or I will die.
I find shopping online is a good way to get groceries in too, you don't have all the end of aisle temptations that you do when you actually go to the supermarket, its much easier to plan meals and only get the things you actually need.




SweetForDaddy -> RE: how do you break a fastfood/takeout addiction? (12/2/2014 12:16:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

Frankly, even if food was cheap and healthy eating out all the time, it would still be difficult to purchase the "healthier" ones all the time.

If I cooked my own food, it would be fried chicken or pasta everyday. That's not healthy!

I think the key thing is just to find healthy food you can enjoy, whether cooking at home or eating out and get addicted to them!


There's nothing wrong with pasta! It's usually the sauce thats the problem - if you use processed sauces or whack half a pound of cheese in it or something.




LittleGirlHeart -> RE: how do you break a fastfood/takeout addiction? (12/2/2014 12:39:43 PM)

Actually the attending dr that saw to me in the er theday my bs was 455 said she doesn't want me to have pasta or bread. But if you're not diabetics then yeah.
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ORIGINAL: SweetForDaddy

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

Frankly, even if food was cheap and healthy eating out all the time, it would still be difficult to purchase the "healthier" ones all the time.

If I cooked my own food, it would be fried chicken or pasta everyday. That's not healthy!

I think the key thing is just to find healthy food you can enjoy, whether cooking at home or eating out and get addicted to them!


There's nothing wrong with pasta! It's usually the sauce thats the problem - if you use processed sauces or whack half a pound of cheese in it or something.





kdsub -> RE: how do you break a fastfood/takeout addiction? (12/2/2014 2:10:39 PM)

In my opinion the way to loose weight is to eat what you want... just control the portions. When you start loosing weight you will find it encouraging and it will be easier to continue. THEN and only then when you have control of your weight and desires... experiment with eating more healthy.

Butch




littleladybug -> RE: how do you break a fastfood/takeout addiction? (12/2/2014 3:38:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

In my opinion the way to loose weight is to eat what you want... just control the portions. When you start loosing weight you will find it encouraging and it will be easier to continue. THEN and only then when you have control of your weight and desires... experiment with eating more healthy.

Butch


Agreed. If you want to have a lifetime change, the key is *not* to have "foods that you will never eat again". I know, for me, that tactic never works. Of course, I'm going to have a burger every now and then. And damned straight that I'll have it with bacon and cheese, with a helping of fries on the side. Key is "every now and then".

I was having this discussion with my mom over Thanksgiving. While I understand not having mashed potatoes for specific dietary reasons, I never understood "substituting" parsnip puree or some such simply for caloric reasons. Psychologically, I think that is really detrimental. Yes, eat healthy...find what you like to eat in that vein, and eat it. But, honestly? If you liked mashed potatoes...isn't Thanksgiving the time to do it?

Yeah...spaghetti squash is good...but it isn't a permanent substitute for the real stuff.

The key, IMO, is to find a style of eating that you can *live* with. We all can lose weight in the short term...the key is, what happens in the long run?




Gauge -> RE: how do you break a fastfood/takeout addiction? (12/2/2014 6:27:32 PM)

This is a fast reply.

The OP needs to learn to like to cook. All the food advice in the world is useless if they do not like to cook. So, how do we help them discover that cooking can be enjoyable?




shiftyw -> RE: how do you break a fastfood/takeout addiction? (12/2/2014 6:54:17 PM)

This is an FR.

I frankly can hear about nutrition six ways to Sunday- but its not going to do me much good- cause I just don't know ANYONE who can actually live a life without their favorites forever.

I'm not a good example.
But as someone who's done every diet from grapefruit diet, to paleo, to weight watchers, to south beach, to Lemonade...etc.
I can tell you...the ones that work best for me are the ones that don't limit me too much. Weight Watchers is what I've had the most success on- and myfitnesspal.com.

But thats not really my point- my point is- you have to like what you cook. Cooking can take time- crock pot meals can be a solution. Personally- my mom ruined crock pots for me forever. Everything she made in them was not good, and she's a good cook- just not good at crock pot cooking- and neither am I.

I have found planning my meals for the day out the night before to be really useful- then- if I have them all set in my head- its less tempting to go get something quick and filling- I also "know" I'm going to eat. Sometimes- I don't eat soon enough, end up way too hungry, end up binging on fast food for fast calories and energy but go way over board (I'm partial to like...a whole pizza from pizza hut- its embarassing how much I can put away)- so to know what I'm having the next day is a really good way for me to avoid that. Most of the time I've already tracked it on myfitnesspal and then I feel obligated to eat what I've already tracked so I don't have to delete and retrack.

Another part of that for me, is planning ahead. On my day off (Sundays usually) I make a few things I can use throughout the week- I have some seasoned beef right now- its taco seasoned- but I made the taco seasoning myself to cut back on salt. That can go on salads, in a wrap, in a "burrito bowl", on tacos. I've done that with chicken also. Or I'll make spaghetti squash up and can use that with sauce that I make at home or pesto, or just some sort of seasoning, etc.

I also bag up smoothies and keep them in my freezer so I can just plop that stuff in the blender and go.

This week I made polenta with pepperjack cheese melted in it- which is good on its own- but also good with other things in it (sausage, chicken, etc) or just with a salad on the side.
If I make burgers or meatballs- I make sure to make enough to have some left overs so I can pack them for lunch. Once you control what is going into your food- you're way more likely to make things way better than those places (ok, I make banging pizza- but sometimes I still like pizza hut stuffed crust on occasion).

Right now I have a batch of oatmeal blueberry pancakes in my freezer, that I made myself- I pop 'em out of the freezer and onto a plate and into the microwave in the AM. Or toaster oven if I'm feeling super ambitious. I have a pumpkin smoothie already to go for tomorrow morning.

here's some blogs I like with great recipes and pictures and they are all super easy things, a few of them are "diet" oriented- just cause I've been diet oriented for a while.

www.skinnytaste.com (a good diet website- she likes making "real" diet food)
www.emilybites.com (also "diety" but she has fun "on the go" ideas, and casserole ideas that can be eaten throughout the week)
www.howsweeteats.com (Uh...she just makes great food...it isn't diety- at all, its delicious though)
http://onceamonthmeals.com/ (This is a freezer meal plan, but you don't have to pay for the plan to see the recipes- a lot of them you can make a big batch of and freeze and take them out as needed)
http://thepioneerwoman.com/ (she makes learning to cook fun I think, although not my favorite recipes)

Most of all, have fun. No one becomes a master chef over night.

Also- I haven't eaten at McDonalds since I was 6 because I got food poisoning. So you could always do that. (I kid, I kid.)




Greta75 -> RE: how do you break a fastfood/takeout addiction? (12/2/2014 7:22:42 PM)

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There's nothing wrong with pasta! It's usually the sauce thats the problem - if you use processed sauces or whack half a pound of cheese in it or something.

If your goal is to lose weight, pasta is one of the number 1 weight gainers.
If you need lots of carbo, because you run marathons, then pasta is good, that's the only way pasta is good for you. It's no nutritional value except carbohydrates. And I feel carbo is unnecessary calories unless you do alot of cardio. As you are gonna get some carbo in almost anything else you eat. And it will add up. So pure carbo food doesn't make sense, unless it's like a whole plain baked jacket potato, skin and all, which provides you with nutrients and vitamins and fibre as well, then it make sense eating that.

Anyway, I know how to lose weight and I've seen people who simply eliminate all sugar from their diet, and yea, pasta is categorised into sugar too. The idea is, things that are pure carbo, like sugar or pasta, with no other nutritional value, should be eliminated, everything else, eat all you want. I've seen it work on other people, but I got a sweet tooth and I'm addicted to bubble tea, so it's a hard diet for me to follow. I am drinking as much as 5 to 6 cups of sugarless green tea a day, to break my addiction to bubble tea, but OMG, bubble tea is like my evil vice! It's a 1000 calories per 500ml of it, so it's an awful addiction.

But what I'm trying to do here is, I'm a tea addict, I literally crave for tea everyday so, I try to replace the unhealthy tea with healthy tea. So I guess gotta find like something similar but healthier that could replace whatever you have cravings for.






shiftyw -> RE: how do you break a fastfood/takeout addiction? (12/2/2014 7:27:53 PM)

Also OP- and I know I'm like a broken record with this everyone, but...- have you had your thyroid levels checked?

If I recall correctly you have a mood disorder? craving salt (in the form of fast food), and needing to lose weight- for me- were all symptoms of a hidden thyroid problem.




Greta75 -> RE: how do you break a fastfood/takeout addiction? (12/2/2014 7:39:20 PM)

By the way, what's the American definition of fast food?
When I think fast food, I am thinking only of like Macdonalds and similiar types. Burger and fries milkshake, type of food.

But take-away salad is not fast food to me. There should be alot of take-away salads out there right? With vinagrette dressing instead of mayonnaise based dressing. If that is cheap to buy over there, not bad eating out everyday. Salads are unaffordable here, it's luxury food, so I seldom can afford them. Like if you go to a super market, just 125gm of salad leaves, which is just enough for one meal is about $8. So it's a huge expense to eat that. But of course, we have our chinese dark green leafy that is dirt cheap to eat everyday, except, they can't be eaten raw like salads. And nothing beats raw vegetables for health reasons as well as low calorie intake.

By the time we stir-fry our green leafys, it's as good as eating deep fried chicken.





shiftyw -> RE: how do you break a fastfood/takeout addiction? (12/2/2014 7:43:57 PM)

one can not live on salad alone.

at least I can't.

Also its a lot more affordable to make your own here in the states.
Plus if you just don't like salad (me) you just can't eat that day in and day out.




Greta75 -> RE: how do you break a fastfood/takeout addiction? (12/2/2014 7:46:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

one can not live on salad alone.

at least I can't.

Also its a lot more affordable to make your own here in the states.
Plus if you just don't like salad (me) you just can't eat that day in and day out.

What is your favourite food?




Greta75 -> RE: how do you break a fastfood/takeout addiction? (12/2/2014 8:05:30 PM)

The past few days, I've been in a pasta mood and for me to eat good pasta, as good as I make it, outside would cost at least $20bux per portion, so I gotta cook it myself and these are the nonsense I've cooked up the last few days. There cheaper ones like $8 bux, but those are usually over-cooked, and I like my pasta al dente.

So past few days I've made:
Pasta, tomato sauce, Bratwurst Sausage (high calorie)
Pasta, tomato sauce, spinach and salami (high calorie)
Pasta, ham, spinach, butter cream sauce (massive evil calories)
Pasta, smoked duck breast, tomato sauce (high calorie)
Salad, smoked duck breast, tomatoes, balsamic vinaigrette (decent)
Grilled ham and mozzarella cheese bread with loads of mix mesculan leaves stuffed into it (massive evil calories)

Not good...., and I nearly bought chicken last night to make fried chicken, but luckily I told myself either have cheese or fried chicken, choose one! And I chose cheese. But that's also because I can get fried chicken cheap eating out, so why cook myself? Cheese is another extremely expensive luxury item here.

I love cooking my own fried chicken.

Yesterday is the end of my pasta bingeing, although, I will still be cooking alio oglio pasta with sundried tomatoes tonight, with no meat. I am not convinced alio oglio is healthy even with extra virgin olive oil like it's marketed as THE healthy pasta, it's just like pasta tossed in garlic soaked oil but it taste fabulous! And then back to eating out everyday! Asian food, rice, vege and meat for every meal.







shiftyw -> RE: how do you break a fastfood/takeout addiction? (12/2/2014 8:16:33 PM)

Today I ate an apple for breakfast
I had a tortilla with hummus for lunch and a salad on the side with goat cheese, a few croutons, and oil/vinegar dressing.
I had a string cheese for a snack.
Then I had a lean beef burger in tomato sauce and a cup of white rice (I would've liked brown but my mom was cooking)

Tomorrow I'm having:
Breakfast: Smoothie
Lunch: I don't know yet because I have to go out to a meeting- I'll probably get a veggie sandwich wherever we are.
Dinner: My polenta I mentioned- with the taco meat I mentioned in it, onions, hot peppers, cilantro, avocado on top

Day after that...
Breakfast: Scrambled eggs (local!), turkey sausage from applegate farms, probably with cheese on top?
Lunch: "burrito bowl"- taco meat, with avocado, brown rice, salsa, onions, peppers
Dinner: Maybe a whole wheat pasta with pesto or our tomato sauce (which we also make ourselves)




shiftyw -> RE: how do you break a fastfood/takeout addiction? (12/2/2014 8:26:52 PM)

My favorite food is hard to lock down...I like a lot of food and my "favorites change right now"

I grew up, and still work in the restaurant industry, my family owns one. I am a baker currently.
So like...favorite can mean a lot of things to me.




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