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RockaRolla -> RE: hazing new posters (12/10/2014 2:50:25 PM)
OK, let me spell it out for you. I made an error when I said "we." I corrected myself when asked for clarification, and decided "I" was more fitting. I thought that "we" might include "Myself, and those who may agree with me," as there seemed to be a few of those on this thread. I am not 100% about this, and so I corrected myself and replace "we" with "I." I will not do that in the original post, because I am outside of the edit window. Considering I have answered this already, and it's apparent to at least one person, why do you feel the need to ask it again? I realized my mistake and corrected it. There is no need to keep asking the question when it has already been answered. What answer are you looking for? Is this not a sufficient answer for you? If not, perhaps a more specific question than "who is we" will need to be asked. Otherwise you're only acting out the definition of crazy: repeating the same action, over and over, and expecting a different result. ETA: You're welcome, shifty.

RockaRolla -> RE: hazing new posters (12/10/2014 2:55:05 PM)
Alternate answer to your question - the people who disagree with the OP, who may or may not agree with me specifically. Why are they included in "we?" Because the OP is attempting to call them out on showing a lack of respect to new or inexperienced posters, and those people obviously do not agree with the assertion that those posters are immediately entitled to respect. Because if they did agree with the OP, there would be no discussion for you. Now you have two answers. Are you not entertained?

shiftyw -> RE: hazing new posters (12/10/2014 2:59:51 PM)
[:)] Ten pages [:)]

CreativeDominant -> RE: hazing new posters (12/10/2014 3:01:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant There was a poster on here who loved to talk about how much fun gunplay was...sticking a gun in his submissive's mouth, pussy, ass. I told him what I felt...that it was an idiotic thing to do unless he or she were independently wealthy so I and others didn't end up paying for their fun. My opinion, my perspective. He got a might upset and the next thing you know, I was being attacked by the " any kink you want to do is o.k. as long as there's consent" group. To which my reply was...and ever will be...no, it's not. When he and his group got more vociferous and less sensible, more opinions started coming out. It happens. He was a regular poster and not a newbie but I can tell you, a newbie posting that kind of idiocy probably wouldn't have gotten a very much nicer me. As someone else noted, it's not my job to coddle adults. Teach? Sure. But to encourage a thickheaded, possibly harmful idea? Not so much. What wasn't SSC about his kink? Safe? A loaded gun pushed inside a pussy...a mouth...an asshole? I don't know where you took gun safety but every gun class I ever took, from conservation class in junior high to basic training followed by sniper training in the military to a conceal-carry class taught two very important things: never point a loaded gun at someone and never assume that the safety is fail-safe. How do you see those two basic rules of SAFETY being satisfied with the behavior described? Sane? We all have differing ideas of what constitutes sane behavior. To me, playing with a loaded gun in the matter described doesn't seem to fit but I'll concede that's my viewpoint. Consensual: People consent to stupidity every day so again, not something I'd ever consent or agree to do with a submissive but I have to admit...I'd seriously wonder about the mental capacity of a submissive who would agree to submit to this. I would hazard a guess that your apparent agreement with this use of a gun means we won't see you holding forth against guns on the pro-gun/anti-gun threads, right?

CreativeDominant -> RE: hazing new posters (12/10/2014 3:02:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: shiftyw [:)] Ten pages [:)] Still love soft, fluffy bottoms.[;)]

InSilence -> RE: hazing new posters (12/10/2014 3:06:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel I mean we're basically asking new posters to hit the ground running in the middle of a mine field, is it at all surprising that has a tendency of not working out very well! About this time in my argument someone's apt to make a comment about this is just how it is. Thing is that's not actually true, I can point to examples both in meat space and on fet of communities who are night and day different, think about it for a second, can't all of you do the same? I haven't drifted into this mine field for a long time. I remember feeling like fresh bbq'd meat, wondering why I felt singled out for a humiliation skuwer (sp?). Tail tucked I ran away after some defensive behavior. Some of you ARE liking to be mean, sarcastic, shoving out a pile of shitty humiliation. I figure its your nature, but NOT your right. *rolls my eyes 9 pages and most cant admit to want to make the new poster feel like a piece of shit. One ups-manship, superiority related to longevity on this side of CM/CS doesn't fit the goal of disseminating information.

RockaRolla -> RE: hazing new posters (12/10/2014 3:10:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: InSilence *rolls my eyes 9 pages and most cant admit to want to make the new poster feel like a piece of shit. My goal is not to make the new poster feel like shit. My goal is to call the new poster on his/her shit. This is not a quality unique to CC, you'll find it throughout the internet. I've been through that before. I didn't blame other posters for attacking the new kid. I re-examined my position and found ways in which I was wrong. My mind on that isn't going to change because someone wanted to appeal to sympathy.

CreativeDominant -> RE: hazing new posters (12/10/2014 3:20:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: InSilence quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel I mean we're basically asking new posters to hit the ground running in the middle of a mine field, is it at all surprising that has a tendency of not working out very well! About this time in my argument someone's apt to make a comment about this is just how it is. Thing is that's not actually true, I can point to examples both in meat space and on fet of communities who are night and day different, think about it for a second, can't all of you do the same? I haven't drifted into this mine field for a long time. I remember feeling like fresh bbq'd meat, wondering why I felt singled out for a humiliation skuwer (sp?). Tail tucked I ran away after some defensive behavior. Some of you ARE liking to be mean, sarcastic, shoving out a pile of shitty humiliation. I figure its your nature, but NOT your right. *rolls my eyes 9 pages and most cant admit to want to make the new poster feel like a piece of shit. One ups-manship, superiority related to longevity on this side of CM/CS doesn't fit the goal of disseminating information. And if you came in as a new poster, wanting to know what I thought about loaded gun play, I'd give you the same response I gave Got Steel. If you came in here talking about how emotionally healthy it is for ALL submissives to live inside a cage, I'd imagine you'd find some disagreement from other submissives and a few dominants. If you come in here asking a question about how to do fireplay, you'd most likely get quite a few serious answers. If you come in to almost any P and R thread asking "can't we all just sit down, hug and talk it out", you'll probably find that you get a lot of "fuck, no" answers...from both sides of the spectrum.

GoddessManko -> RE: hazing new posters (12/10/2014 3:26:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: InSilence quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel I mean we're basically asking new posters to hit the ground running in the middle of a mine field, is it at all surprising that has a tendency of not working out very well! About this time in my argument someone's apt to make a comment about this is just how it is. Thing is that's not actually true, I can point to examples both in meat space and on fet of communities who are night and day different, think about it for a second, can't all of you do the same? I haven't drifted into this mine field for a long time. I remember feeling like fresh bbq'd meat, wondering why I felt singled out for a humiliation skuwer (sp?). Tail tucked I ran away after some defensive behavior. Some of you ARE liking to be mean, sarcastic, shoving out a pile of shitty humiliation. I figure its your nature, but NOT your right. *rolls my eyes 9 pages and most cant admit to want to make the new poster feel like a piece of shit. One ups-manship, superiority related to longevity on this side of CM/CS doesn't fit the goal of disseminating information. Agreed, LOL. But eh... communication breaks down on these types of topics. There will always be a "loophole" that can be argued to death.

RockaRolla -> RE: hazing new posters (12/10/2014 3:31:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko quote: ORIGINAL: InSilence quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel I mean we're basically asking new posters to hit the ground running in the middle of a mine field, is it at all surprising that has a tendency of not working out very well! About this time in my argument someone's apt to make a comment about this is just how it is. Thing is that's not actually true, I can point to examples both in meat space and on fet of communities who are night and day different, think about it for a second, can't all of you do the same? I haven't drifted into this mine field for a long time. I remember feeling like fresh bbq'd meat, wondering why I felt singled out for a humiliation skuwer (sp?). Tail tucked I ran away after some defensive behavior. Some of you ARE liking to be mean, sarcastic, shoving out a pile of shitty humiliation. I figure its your nature, but NOT your right. *rolls my eyes 9 pages and most cant admit to want to make the new poster feel like a piece of shit. One ups-manship, superiority related to longevity on this side of CM/CS doesn't fit the goal of disseminating information. Agreed, LOL. But eh... communication breaks down on these types of topics. There will always be a "loophole" that can be argued to death. Such as "who is we?"

FieryOpal -> RE: hazing new posters (12/10/2014 4:09:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel What wasn't SSC about his kink? Safe? A loaded gun pushed inside a pussy...a mouth...an asshole? I don't know where you took gun safety but every gun class I ever took, from conservation class in junior high to basic training followed by sniper training in the military to a conceal-carry class taught two very important things: never point a loaded gun at someone and never assume that the safety is fail-safe. How do you see those two basic rules of SAFETY being satisfied with the behavior described? Sane? We all have differing ideas of what constitutes sane behavior. To me, playing with a loaded gun in the matter described doesn't seem to fit but I'll concede that's my viewpoint. Consensual: People consent to stupidity every day so again, not something I'd ever consent or agree to do with a submissive but I have to admit...I'd seriously wonder about the mental capacity of a submissive who would agree to submit to this. I would hazard a guess that your apparent agreement with this use of a gun means we won't see you holding forth against guns on the pro-gun/anti-gun threads, right? In fact, anyone who handles a gun is instructed to ALWAYS ASSUME said firearm is LOADED even when you know beyond the shadow of a doubt that it isn't. You NEVER point a firearm at a human being or a part of your body. NEVER. NEVER EVER EVER. I think somebody just painted himself into a corner. For quick reference: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4758505 & http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4758434

GoddessManko -> RE: hazing new posters (12/10/2014 4:15:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RockaRolla quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko quote: ORIGINAL: InSilence quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel I mean we're basically asking new posters to hit the ground running in the middle of a mine field, is it at all surprising that has a tendency of not working out very well! About this time in my argument someone's apt to make a comment about this is just how it is. Thing is that's not actually true, I can point to examples both in meat space and on fet of communities who are night and day different, think about it for a second, can't all of you do the same? I haven't drifted into this mine field for a long time. I remember feeling like fresh bbq'd meat, wondering why I felt singled out for a humiliation skuwer (sp?). Tail tucked I ran away after some defensive behavior. Some of you ARE liking to be mean, sarcastic, shoving out a pile of shitty humiliation. I figure its your nature, but NOT your right. rolls my eyes 9 pages and most cant admit to want to make the new poster feel like a piece of shit. One ups-manship, superiority related to longevity on this side of CM/CS doesn't fit the goal of disseminating information. Agreed, LOL. But eh... communication breaks down on these types of topics. There will always be a "loophole" that can be argued to death. Such as "who is we?" Nope, like quote:* ORIGINAL: FieryOpal quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel What wasn't SSC about his kink? Safe? A loaded gun pushed inside a pussy...a mouth...an asshole? I don't know where you took gun safety but every gun class I ever took, from conservation class in junior high to basic training followed by sniper training in the military to a conceal-carry class taught two very important things: never point a loaded gun at someone and never assume that the safety is fail-safe. How do you see those two basic rules of SAFETY being satisfied with the behavior described? Sane? We all have differing ideas of what constitutes sane behavior. To me, playing with a loaded gun in the matter described doesn't seem to fit but I'll concede that's my viewpoint. Consensual: People consent to stupidity every day so again, not something I'd ever consent or agree to do with a submissive but I have to admit...I'd seriously wonder about the mental capacity of a submissive who would agree to submit to this. I would hazard a guess that your apparent agreement with this use of a gun means we won't see you holding forth against guns on the pro-gun/anti-gun threads, right? In fact, anyone who handles a gun is instructed to ALWAYS ASSUME said firearm is LOADED even when you know beyond the shadow of a doubt that it isn't. You NEVER point a firearm at a human being or a part of your body. NEVER. NEVER EVER EVER. I think somebody just painted himself into a corner. For quick reference: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4758505 & http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4758434 I fail to see how this particular instance is even remotely applicable to quote: ORIGINAL: InSilence I haven't drifted into this mine field for a long time. I remember feeling like fresh bbq'd meat, wondering why I felt singled out for a humiliation skuwer (sp?). Tail tucked I ran away after some defensive behavior. Some of you ARE liking to be mean, sarcastic, shoving out a pile of shitty humiliation. I figure its your nature, but NOT your right. *rolls my eyes 9 pages and most cant admit to want to make the new poster feel like a piece of shit. One ups-manship, superiority related to longevity on this side of CM/CS doesn't fit the goal of disseminating information.

RockaRolla -> RE: hazing new posters (12/10/2014 4:28:44 PM)
I disagree. In my example, there was way too much of a tangent based on a question that was already answered, though not to LLB's liking. (That said, it's been well over a half hour, I'd like a response from her. taps foot impatiently) The gun discussion is important, and has a relation to the post. IS claims that the "attacks" on the poster who had the gun kink (which sound more like safety warnings, though not having read that thread I'm not 100%) were unreasonable, and so there's a side-debate on whether that particular "attack" was justifiable. To say it's unrelated would be like saying that no "attack" or safety warning is warranted at any time, because we're all supposed to respect and support each other's kinks, right?

FieryOpal -> RE: hazing new posters (12/10/2014 4:33:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel What wasn't SSC about his kink? Safe? A loaded gun pushed inside a pussy...a mouth...an asshole? I don't know where you took gun safety but every gun class I ever took, from conservation class in junior high to basic training followed by sniper training in the military to a conceal-carry class taught two very important things: never point a loaded gun at someone and never assume that the safety is fail-safe. How do you see those two basic rules of SAFETY being satisfied with the behavior described? Sane? We all have differing ideas of what constitutes sane behavior. To me, playing with a loaded gun in the matter described doesn't seem to fit but I'll concede that's my viewpoint. Consensual: People consent to stupidity every day so again, not something I'd ever consent or agree to do with a submissive but I have to admit...I'd seriously wonder about the mental capacity of a submissive who would agree to submit to this. I would hazard a guess that your apparent agreement with this use of a gun means we won't see you holding forth against guns on the pro-gun/anti-gun threads, right? In fact, anyone who handles a gun is instructed to ALWAYS ASSUME said firearm is LOADED even when you know beyond the shadow of a doubt that it isn't. You NEVER point a firearm at a human being or a part of your body. NEVER. NEVER EVER EVER. I think somebody just painted himself into a corner. For quick reference: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4758505 & http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4758434 I fail to see how this particular instance is even remotely applicable to quote: ORIGINAL: InSilence I haven't drifted into this mine field for a long time. I remember feeling like fresh bbq'd meat, wondering why I felt singled out for a humiliation skuwer (sp?). Tail tucked I ran away after some defensive behavior. Some of you ARE liking to be mean, sarcastic, shoving out a pile of shitty humiliation. I figure its your nature, but NOT your right. *rolls my eyes 9 pages and most cant admit to want to make the new poster feel like a piece of shit. One ups-manship, superiority related to longevity on this side of CM/CS doesn't fit the goal of disseminating information. Did I say it was? Did I quote that person's post? I was addressing CD's & GS's posts. G-U-N S-A-F-E-T-Y The Use of Firearms The Constitutional Right of U.S. Citizens to Bear Arms in Their Defense (...with the understanding that every citizen is entitled access to hunt game and provide food for their families so they don't starve or perish, as had happened in the Old World.) Please try to keep up, dearie. [:)]

GoddessManko -> RE: hazing new posters (12/10/2014 4:57:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal Did I say it was? Did I quote that person's post? I was addressing CD's & GS's posts. G-U-N S-A-F-E-T-Y The Use of Firearms The Constitutional Right of U.S. Citizens to Bear Arms in Their Defense (...with the understanding that every citizen is entitled access to hunt game and provide food for their families so they don't starve or perish, as had happened in the Old World.) Please try to keep up, dearie. [:)] OK, then perhaps it will one day occur to you that you haven't cornered anyone since your tangent is not remotely applicable to the OP in any way,form or fashion. In fact I don't even know why you bothered to post that but that's happening a lot today anyway. Sort of like your pointless elaboration to a point we have already both agreed is not applicable to any of this discussion. In fact, (LOL!!!), nevermind. Ensue.

GotSteel -> RE: hazing new posters (12/10/2014 4:59:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal a. Attending Furries conventions? [:-] What's that supposed to mean? Oh, the one choice that didn't resonate? The one choice which was more cryptic. The others were straight forward personal attacks. So I was wondering how furries fit in, especially with that emoticon. Were you making a pejorative statement about the furry lifestyle? quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal There was a question mark. It was a kinder choice than Arranging gang bangs? How so? Is there something wrong with arranging gangbangs? Because I have been trying to facilitate a gangbang for shifty, sadly she'll have none of it. quote: ORIGINAL: FieryOpal Or Heading the Achievable Fetish & Kink Subcommittee of the FL BDSM Committee? [:D] That sounds fun, do I get a pretentious hat?

shiftyw -> RE: hazing new posters (12/10/2014 5:02:07 PM)
IT IS applicable though GM. Follow it back. What we are all really talking about is where is the line on "hazing" vs. constructive critcism? snark vs. helpful? I think kalisto answered it back a while ago. This is all a matter of perception. You don't know how I'm saying this, I could be whispering it in your ear, or shouting at you and in your face...you can't tell from text, and this is where the breakdown happens online. Often times I seem "short" online, truth be told...its not how I want to come off and is usually the result of me pairing down and editing my post. Often, I edit out a personal story that I realize may be me reading too much into something because of MY perspective. Its amazing that humans get anything done in my opinion. That ability to reason is a double edged sword I think.

RockaRolla -> RE: hazing new posters (12/10/2014 5:04:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: shiftyw IT IS applicable though GM. Follow it back. What we are all really talking about is where is the line on "hazing" vs. constructive critcism? snark vs. helpful? I think kalisto answered it back a while ago. This is all a matter of perception. You said it better than I could.

GotSteel -> RE: hazing new posters (12/10/2014 5:11:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant There was a poster on here who loved to talk about how much fun gunplay was...sticking a gun in his submissive's mouth, pussy, ass. What wasn't SSC about his kink? Safe? A loaded gun pushed inside a pussy...a mouth...an asshole? I don't know where you took gun safety but every gun class I ever took, from conservation class in junior high to basic training followed by sniper training in the military to a conceal-carry class taught two very important things: never point a loaded gun at someone and never assume that the safety is fail-safe. How do you see those two basic rules of SAFETY being satisfied with the behavior described? Before judging me on this one do keep in mind that this is your first mention that the gun was loaded, which is of course part of what I was asking. quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant I would hazard a guess that your apparent agreement with this use of a gun means we won't see you holding forth against guns on the pro-gun/anti-gun threads, right? I'm not against guns, I've been teaching my girl to shoot. I am against the stand your ground laws of many states as a number of them are so atrociously written as to legalize things well beyond standing ones ground.

ExiledTyrant -> RE: hazing new posters (12/10/2014 5:17:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel Before judging me on this one do keep in mind that this is your first mention that the gun was loaded, which is of course part of what I was asking. It is always loaded.

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