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PeonForHer -> RE: hazing new posters (12/5/2014 10:08:30 AM)

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Even after looking that up, I can get no sense out of it.


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www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cock+block
Urban Dictionary
cock block. One who prevents another from scoring sexually. (with M3 even though it's still a pie in the sky dream.) [:D]


But you don't have a cock, GM, on account of you're female.

Oh never mind. I have a headache.





HeartAndSoul31 -> RE: hazing new posters (12/5/2014 10:14:10 AM)

Lol. Your pretty good. Naughty naughty.




HeartAndSoul31 -> RE: hazing new posters (12/5/2014 10:34:56 AM)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FgvfRSzmMoU that's the haze!




GotSteel -> RE: hazing new posters (12/5/2014 3:14:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RockaRolla
You'll see it all the time with messages on the other side. My inbox here and on Fet is flooded with guys who think that because we're on a kink site, the regular rules of engagement don't apply and it's perfectly acceptable to demand blowjobs and cam sessions.


Well, this thread is meant to be able the forums not people harassing you by mail, which I agree isn't ok.

As for communications by text it is rather different in that you aren't getting visual or audio feedback as you express yourself. For instance new posters often will ask a question without giving us enough context to understand what they're talking about. In person our confusion would be visually obvious and the person would immediately clarify, in text...not so much.

And I've seen conversations go horribly wrong over that. Some posters instead of asking for clarification will assume the worst possibility and unleash the negativity.




RockaRolla -> RE: hazing new posters (12/5/2014 3:21:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel


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ORIGINAL: RockaRolla
You'll see it all the time with messages on the other side. My inbox here and on Fet is flooded with guys who think that because we're on a kink site, the regular rules of engagement don't apply and it's perfectly acceptable to demand blowjobs and cam sessions.


Well, this thread is meant to be able the forums not people harassing you by mail, which I agree isn't ok.

That was really meant to be an example of the mentality, not an attempt to change the topic. The same mentality that exists when a HNG messages someone carries over to the forums with a lot of these new posters.

As for the rest, that's a still quality true of any part of the internet and not exclusive to Collarchat.




RockaRolla -> RE: hazing new posters (12/5/2014 3:22:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Even after looking that up, I can get no sense out of it.


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www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cock+block
Urban Dictionary
cock block. One who prevents another from scoring sexually. (with M3 even though it's still a pie in the sky dream.) [:D]


But you don't have a cock, GM, on account of you're female.

Oh never mind. I have a headache.



Dommes don't need to be physically equipped in order to "have" a cock.

Jus sayin




PeonForHer -> RE: hazing new posters (12/5/2014 3:33:00 PM)

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Dommes don't need to be physically equipped in order to "have" a cock.

Jus sayin


Fair point, RR: though I don't have grooblies on the ordinary material plane of existence, I like to think that I've got a fine pair of proud and bouncy spiritual ones. :-)




shiftyw -> RE: hazing new posters (12/5/2014 9:03:02 PM)

GS- I see your point- but I don't think this place is as "toxic" and horrible as you (and some previous posters of this topic, and hell some posters IN this topic) seem to feel.
In fact I think sometimes people are downright patient.




domincalifornia -> RE: hazing new posters (12/5/2014 10:07:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Gauge

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ORIGINAL: domincalifornia

Just because someone starts a thread doesn't mean they are obligated to respond to everyone who writes a comment to them. They can step out anytime they want, and stop talking to anyone anytime they want.



Thanks for clearing that up for me. Of course that is the case, but for this thread in particular, where someone is taking a pot shot (and not their first one) at the community, perhaps sticking around would be a great idea so you can be heard.


It looks like he has stuck around. He's simply responding to some people, and not others.




Moderator3 -> RE: hazing new posters (12/5/2014 10:16:56 PM)

Just posting to clean the scroll up.




Gauge -> RE: hazing new posters (12/5/2014 10:27:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: domincalifornia

It looks like he has stuck around. He's simply responding to some people, and not others.


I can see the obvious.

Thanks anyway.




PandoraFoxxx -> RE: hazing new posters (12/5/2014 10:28:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

So just in case somebody hasn't heard my spiel by now I'm often horrified by the way new posters are treated around here. Upon stating this in the past I've received the response that usually the new poster does something to instigate the responses and I think that's true.

Sometimes it's the case that the poster has an uncommon kink that doesn't fit in around here, but should we really be throwing rocks over that, seems to me an awful lot like we're living in a glass house on this one.

Sometimes the poster stumbles onto a hotbutton topic, but really how can we reasonably expect someone new to know where all the mines are buried?

Sometimes it's that the poster makes some spelling mistakes or doesn't express themselves well. Thing is expressing oneself on a forum is a skill and we're talking about posters who are new. It's a very rare person who's perfect at well just about anything their first time.

Don't get me wrong, there are work arounds to these problems: learning to post elsewhere/a substantial amount of lurking. But isn't that setting an awfully high bar to be allowed to post here without getting heckled off the site?

I mean we're basically asking new posters to hit the ground running in the middle of a mine field, is it at all surprising that has a tendency of not working out very well!

About this time in my argument someone's apt to make a comment about this is just how it is. Thing is that's not actually true, I can point to examples both in meat space and on fet of communities who are night and day different, think about it for a second, can't all of you do the same?


If you act like an idiot, people are going to make an example of you. Sadly, most of the new posters do just this. There is a difference between being new and just acting a fool. I was new to boards about 6 months ago and I never got "hazed." I'd actually say the opposite happened. Perhaps, if you are so "appalled" at how "people" treat new posters, you should find another board to read.




SeekingTrinity -> RE: hazing new posters (12/5/2014 10:46:06 PM)

~FRing it~

I've been thinking a lot about this thread before replying and adding my $0.02

Let's say I agree and feel that new posters are treated horribly. To determine being mistreated, I'm basing this on my own sense of right and wrong...kind and mean. Your opinion of mean is going to be different than mine is. And that's perfectly fine. We were raised differently and had different influences (environment) to shape our perceptions. So I might think someone is being a total dickhead, but you might not see anything wrong with what the person is doing. Now I'll be the first to admit that there are some one-size-fits-all acts of kindness we all can do. Clearly someone who mentions wanting to commit suicide should not have a bunch of people chiming in about how worthless that person is and to just commit suicide.

So when it comes down to setting a mandate for appropriate treatment of new posters around here...do we all use my standard of what constitutes being nice? Do we use yours? Do we use shifty's? Or perhaps DaddySatyr's? Or any of the other folks who offered their opinions? In my honest opinion, it's not my place to tell any of you how you should be or how you should act. I don't have that right. All I can do is be the best me I can be here. It's really all any of us can do. The rest really is out of our control.

Another reality is that no matter how fantastically awesome we make it here, not everyone who enters will stay. And not everyone who has been here a long time will be here forever. It's just the nature of the beast. People come and go all the time. The rumors of this side being a pit full of assholes has been around all the way back in 2006 when I first joined. It was still reputed to be this way in 2012 when I got ballsy and started participating in the forums. If this place is so horrible to new posters, I must admit that if asked...the answer Id give to Johnny Rotten's question at the last US Sex Pistols show "ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" would have to be a resounding YES [:)]. It's honestly been a relatively enjoyable newbie experience for me in my honest opinion. If it was that bad around here, how did any of us make it?

Im all for folks being able to do their thing. Findomme, do-me, whatever. Live and let live. However Im going to be honest in saying that I think the fact that you want to stick an industrial grade shop vac hose up your ass to see if it's possible to suck your eyeballs back into your skull is a bad idea. We aren't guaranteed to always be told what we want to hear. It would be nice, but not very realistic. And because people here don't do it, that doesn't mean they are intolerant to your kinks.




stef -> RE: hazing new posters (12/6/2014 1:06:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PandoraFoxxx

If you act like an idiot, people are going to make an example of you. Sadly, most of the new posters do just this. There is a difference between being new and just acting a fool. I was new to boards about 6 months ago and I never got "hazed." I'd actually say the opposite happened.

Bingo. Plenty of new posters make it through unscathed simply because they didn't post dumb shit. Post dumb shit and you're going to get called on it no matter whether you're a newbie or not.




Musicmystery -> RE: hazing new posters (12/6/2014 5:01:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

So just in case somebody hasn't heard my spiel by now I'm often horrified by the way new posters are treated around here. Upon stating this in the past I've received the response that usually the new poster does something to instigate the responses and I think that's true.

Sometimes it's the case that the poster has an uncommon kink that doesn't fit in around here, but should we really be throwing rocks over that, seems to me an awful lot like we're living in a glass house on this one.

Sometimes the poster stumbles onto a hotbutton topic, but really how can we reasonably expect someone new to know where all the mines are buried?

Sometimes it's that the poster makes some spelling mistakes or doesn't express themselves well. Thing is expressing oneself on a forum is a skill and we're talking about posters who are new. It's a very rare person who's perfect at well just about anything their first time.

Don't get me wrong, there are work arounds to these problems: learning to post elsewhere/a substantial amount of lurking. But isn't that setting an awfully high bar to be allowed to post here without getting heckled off the site?

I mean we're basically asking new posters to hit the ground running in the middle of a mine field, is it at all surprising that has a tendency of not working out very well!

About this time in my argument someone's apt to make a comment about this is just how it is. Thing is that's not actually true, I can point to examples both in meat space and on fet of communities who are night and day different, think about it for a second, can't all of you do the same?

Sometimes the poster is an asshole.

It makes sense, when in a new place, to spend time learning the lay of the land. Coming in with guns blazing to set the strangers straight oddly doesn't go well with the regulars. Go figure.

Now, is there a pile-on mentality at times? There is. Everyone's got to add their two-cent dig. That's the Internet for you.




shiftyw -> RE: hazing new posters (12/6/2014 5:29:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: PandoraFoxxx

If you act like an idiot, people are going to make an example of you. Sadly, most of the new posters do just this. There is a difference between being new and just acting a fool. I was new to boards about 6 months ago and I never got "hazed." I'd actually say the opposite happened.

Bingo. Plenty of new posters make it through unscathed simply because they didn't post dumb shit. Post dumb shit and you're going to get called on it no matter whether you're a newbie or not.


I agree with this. As a "not so newbie" I am still concious of wether or not I'm walking in here with my dick in my hands (so to speak).

Also, I think Seeking made many a good point.




GotSteel -> RE: hazing new posters (12/6/2014 8:31:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SeekingTrinity
So when it comes down to setting a mandate for appropriate treatment of new posters around here...do we all use my standard of what constitutes being nice? Do we use yours? Do we use shifty's? Or perhaps DaddySatyr's? Or any of the other folks who offered their opinions? In my honest opinion, it's not my place to tell any of you how you should be or how you should act. I don't have that right. All I can do is be the best me I can be here. It's really all any of us can do. The rest really is out of our control.


I certainly don't really have the ability to control anyone (though I suppose I could tell them to get the hell off the site like a couple of people have told me in this thread) what I can do is start a thread so we can talk about things and see if we can find any common ground.




GotSteel -> RE: hazing new posters (12/6/2014 8:41:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
I coddle children, not grown ups. YMMV.


If you don't want to coddle anyone *shrug* whatever.

But I think it would be nice if people didn't get attacked because of things they didn't say but because other posters filled in the blanks with the most negative possible assumptions.

I think it would be nice if people didn't get attacked for having kinks that aren't popular here.

I think it would be nice if people didn't get attacked for starting a thread that had been done before.




shiftyw -> RE: hazing new posters (12/6/2014 9:54:57 AM)

The first thing happens often because OP posts, leaves, forgets about it and doesn't come back to give clarification. Then the whole thread derails into personal opinion land rather than advice for the OP...because OP went *poof*

I don't see people getting "attacked" for having kinks that aren't popular here. What I DO see is people saying "Not many folks are into that here..." fairly often.

I agree about starting a thread that has been done before- the search feature on here sucks, and really if they have an ice cream cone- shouldn't be attacked. But again- I don't see that often. Unless the poster started the topic 6 months ago and said the same thing.

ETA- I had another thought...

I know you'd like it if more of us referenced where to find folks "into" some kinks that not a lot of folks around here are. Do you think these folks will stay around this forum if we hand them a link to fet? and why is it my responsibility to google something for someone? I found all these things by using my head. I think if they are coming in here to ask about some of these things its either a) deliberate laziness b) trolling or c) wank fodder/profile views seeking.




Kaliko -> RE: hazing new posters (12/6/2014 10:37:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

The first thing happens often because OP posts, leaves, forgets about it and doesn't come back to give clarification. Then the whole thread derails into personal opinion land rather than advice for the OP...because OP went *poof*

I don't see people getting "attacked" for having kinks that aren't popular here. What I DO see is people saying "Not many folks are into that here..." fairly often.

I agree about starting a thread that has been done before- the search feature on here sucks, and really if they have an ice cream cone- shouldn't be attacked. But again- I don't see that often. Unless the poster started the topic 6 months ago and said the same thing.

ETA- I had another thought...

I know you'd like it if more of us referenced where to find folks "into" some kinks that not a lot of folks around here are. Do you think these folks will stay around this forum if we hand them a link to fet? and why is it my responsibility to google something for someone? I found all these things by using my head. I think if they are coming in here to ask about some of these things its either a) deliberate laziness b) trolling or c) wank fodder/profile views seeking.


...or, they are looking for conversation. I can Google lots of different things. And I can use the search feature and look at conversations from three years ago. That doesn't help anyone if they are looking for dialogue.

I assume that these and other forums are primarily for discussion. Otherwise, we wouldn't have the ability to respond to each others' posts.

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It's really just personality differences. I can look at posts by regulars pretty recently and I have to roll my eyes and wonder why everybody seems to be acting like they're at a middle school dance. And I can also think of a number of times in the past when new posters were piled on and I saw absolutely no reason for it other than they didn't lick somebody's ass when they started their thread. What I consider to be an unworthy post is different than what another person considers to be an unworthy post. So saying that a new poster is treated fairly unless they post "dumb shit" really doesn't say much about the poster at all. It only tells me about your preferences. And I'm not in favor of a thread that I might fight interesting to be ripped to pieces because somebody else has judged it to be "dumb."




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