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ORIGINAL: Moderator3

Considering the recent events of profiles started recently and then hidden, of new members that hit the Dungeon running, I will be considering a ban on these types of accounts, as sock accounts. You know, an attempt to curtail the sock accounts we have had issue with in this section.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


The United States used harsh interrogation techniques after 9/11, including WATERBOARDING

http://news.yahoo.com/fears-backlash-us-release-cia-torture-report-023713739.html

I shit you not

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


crazy troll

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I didnt want to overwhelm his tenuous hold on reality

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

First... this report is a political crap... We have a Democratic committee interpreting thousands of pages of evidence and coming up with a conclusion that the torture produced no results and blame the CIA. The CIA says bull... they were following orders and the torture did save lives. Neither one it seems realize the disgrace and hypocritical stain these cowardly actions have and will have on the reputation of the United States.

I am ashamed for my country...we cannot even admit to our lies without one group or another trying for political gain.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: Moderator3

One of these days, I may just have to hurt you, then I may not have to this time because you can get my hate mail.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

First... this report is a political crap... We have a Democratic committee interpreting thousands of pages of evidence and coming up with a conclusion that the torture produced no results and blame the CIA. The CIA says bull... they were following orders and the torture did save lives. Neither one it seems realize the disgrace and hypocritical stain these cowardly actions have and will have on the reputation of the United States.

I am ashamed for my country...we cannot even admit to our lies without one group or another trying for political gain.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I am not so naive as to think there was never torture before Bush but with him it was sanctioned. Up until then we had the high ground and every right to talk down to less moral nations... Not anymore... we have lost that innocence and I'll bet a lot of respect throughout the world... not that I give a crap what they think but i do care what I think of my own government.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Thats what I mean by "codify" butch...The Bush administration took a practice that was illegal in its entirety(under our system of laws) ,a violation of the Geneva Convention(which we are a signatory to)and in direct contradiction of our values as a people and made a tortured(pun intended)case for the legality of these heinous practices.
As I said ....I was ashamed when my country went down this road and I remain ashamed today
This country is supposed to be better than that...and I believe is ,in fact,better than that...I am heartened that Sen.McCain chose to stand with Sen. Feinstein and once again declare that torture is anathema to our values

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

So are you against using waterboarding or for it?

Or does it depend on which party tells you?

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

So are you against using waterboarding or for it?

Or does it depend on which party tells you?

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

So are you against using waterboarding or for it?

Or does it depend on which party tells you?

I know this won't be popular but I will share, anyway.

I don't think the first question (part) is as black-and-white as some might.

If it could be proven to me that torture had saved an innocent life, I might be able to condone it. Of course, at that point, I'd have the benefit of hindsight but let me put it a different way:

Your child/grandchild/significant other/cute innocent little kid from down the block/pick your victim has been taken hostage by an evil doer of any stripe (kidnapper/rapist/terrorist/whatever). The authorities believe that if they use some extreme methods, your loved one might be found alive.

I cannot totally condemn getting the car battery and jumper cables, at that point. I wish I could claim to be more evolved than that but I can't.

As a neutral concept, of course I'm against torture, always, but when I make it personal, the value of standing on principles lessons compared to my desire to keep my loved ones safe.



Michael

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

So are you against using waterboarding or for it?

Or does it depend on which party tells you?

To the poor, stupid, lowly little trolls, every thread is about me

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

So are you against using waterboarding or for it?

Or does it depend on which party tells you?

I know this won't be popular but I will share, anyway.

I don't think the first question (part) is as black-and-white as some might.

If it could be proven to me that torture had saved an innocent life, I might be able to condone it. Of course, at that point, I'd have the benefit of hindsight but let me put it a different way:

Your child/grandchild/significant other/cute innocent little kid from down the block/pick your victim has been taken hostage by an evil doer of any stripe (kidnapper/rapist/terrorist/whatever). The authorities believe that if they use some extreme methods, your loved one might be found alive.

I cannot totally condemn getting the car battery and jumper cables, at that point. I wish I could claim to be more evolved than that but I can't.

As a neutral concept, of course I'm against torture, always, but when I make it personal, the value of standing on principles lessons compared to my desire to keep my loved ones safe.



Michael

I have to say I think that's one of the most realistic posts on this subject I've heard yet...

kind of reminds me a lil of the anti-gun people who say, if it saves JUST ONE LIFE blahhhhhhhhhh blahhhhhhhhhhhh blahhhhhhhhhh

now let the attacks begin, or is it resume....