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RE: IRS DOJ SCANDAL - 12/12/2014 4:21:29 AM   
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Hmmmmm I thought it was a democrat that said "the buck stops here" or something like that. And that all the training I ever received is that the chain of command (which stops at the buck) is responsible for the actions of the subordinates appointed/designated/etc below. Did I hear it wrong?

You cannot convict someone criminally for something a subordinate did without their knowledge no matter how much you hate that person.


The dog Lerner ate the emails

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RE: IRS DOJ SCANDAL - 12/12/2014 4:39:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		DK If I remember correctly, Admiral Husband E Kimmel annd LT Gen Walter Short and to some extent the Secretaries of War, Navy and State and the POTUS held responsible for the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941? Seems like the chain of command to me being held responsible.

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RE: IRS DOJ SCANDAL - 12/12/2014 5:30:15 AM   
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But any halfwit can read the tax law in question and see that the organizations are violating it.
DK
That explains why you think they violated the law.

Because they were claiming 501(c)4 status and they simply don't qualify
http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Other-Non-Profits/Types-of-Organizations-Exempt-under-Section-501(c)(4)


They were requesting tax exemption status, Ken. If they didn't qualify, why did they get exempt status granted eventually? Wasn't the issue, initially, over the length of time it took for applications to get processed (years in some cases)?


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RE: IRS DOJ SCANDAL - 12/12/2014 7:13:05 AM   
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Hmmmmm I thought it was a democrat that said "the buck stops here" or something like that. And that all the training I ever received is that the chain of command (which stops at the buck) is responsible for the actions of the subordinates appointed/designated/etc below. Did I hear it wrong?

What the hell are you talking about?

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RE: IRS DOJ SCANDAL - 12/12/2014 7:48:14 AM   
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Hmmmmm I thought it was a democrat that said "the buck stops here" or something like that. And that all the training I ever received is that the chain of command (which stops at the buck) is responsible for the actions of the subordinates appointed/designated/etc below. Did I hear it wrong?

What the hell are you talking about?


You certainly do like to poke and prod, don't you? lol

As if KD's answer is going make any more sense of things.


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RE: IRS DOJ SCANDAL - 12/12/2014 7:58:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Poke and prod? This was his response to me, and since it has *nothing* to do with what I posted, I'm asking for clarification.

If that's "poke and prod," you have a strange lexicon.

(but yes, I caught the lol, and point taken)

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RE: IRS DOJ SCANDAL - 12/12/2014 8:51:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am poking at DK who takes my "responsibility" to mean "criminal". The two are not necessarily the same. Impeachment is a holding of responsibility. An impeachment proceeding, as far as I know can only convict on responsibility, but cannot convict criminally. That takes a criminal court. Least the last I heard. Plus I keep poking at DK's "are" comment because he has failed to provide the associated proof.

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RE: IRS DOJ SCANDAL - 12/13/2014 8:23:01 AM   
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File a complaint. I'll laugh my ass off.



Oh, Ken, you silly, sad, stupid, twatwaffle. You were being given a hypothetical of a future situation, not a threat for today. Seriously dude, you need to get yourself re-connected with some perspective, because you don't matter to anyone very much at all.



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RE: IRS DOJ SCANDAL - 12/13/2014 8:38:51 AM   
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RE: IRS DOJ SCANDAL - 12/13/2014 8:55:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am conversant with the facts, and am outraged at the way the policy is being executed, in view of what is clearly in the law. Those organizations should never have been allowed.

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RE: IRS DOJ SCANDAL - 12/13/2014 9:37:41 AM   
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RE: IRS DOJ SCANDAL - 12/13/2014 10:07:23 AM   
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RE: IRS DOJ SCANDAL - 12/13/2014 6:04:35 PM   
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RE: IRS DOJ SCANDAL - 12/15/2014 12:50:56 PM   
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First, the groups that were "targeted" are breaking the law so it was appropriate for Lerner to contact the DOJ about them. Why they are not being prosecuted is the actual scandal.

Second Nixon was not impeached so your memory sucks.

Nixon was impeached (articles of impeachment were voted out of the house and sent to the senate) but when the head count saw only and yet a still unbelievable, 8 or 9 votes not to remove him...Nixon resigned before the senate got around to voting.

And there were several felony criminal acts for which he was impeached and thus also has to be pardoned by Ford.

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RE: IRS DOJ SCANDAL - 12/15/2014 4:25:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		No. Never made it out of the House:

In 1974, the House Judiciary Committee recommended Articles of Impeachment to the full House of Representatives, but Nixon resigned before the House voted on the Articles. Hence Nixon was not impeached during the Watergate scandal.

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RE: IRS DOJ SCANDAL - 12/16/2014 1:36:01 PM   
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No. Never made it out of the House:

In 1974, the House Judiciary Committee recommended Articles of Impeachment to the full House of Representatives, but Nixon resigned before the House voted on the Articles. Hence Nixon was not impeached during the Watergate scandal.

I stand (or sit) corrected. "Be it resolved that president of the US is impeached" never made it to the full floor of the house. Thought it had.

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RE: IRS DOJ SCANDAL - 12/16/2014 1:42:27 PM   
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Hmmmmm I thought it was a democrat that said "the buck stops here" or something like that.



If Truman were alive, today, he'd be a Libertarian.



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RE: IRS DOJ SCANDAL - 12/16/2014 2:24:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hardly, he was not an industrial terrorist, among other things, and would have told the truth, Ayn and Paul Rand the russkies would never have anything to say I want to listen to.

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RE: IRS DOJ SCANDAL - 12/16/2014 6:09:34 PM   
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Hmmmmm I thought it was a democrat that said "the buck stops here" or something like that.



If Truman were alive, today, he'd be a Libertarian.



Michael

By what flight of fancy did you conclude that?

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RE: IRS DOJ SCANDAL - 12/17/2014 1:12:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Id on't think Truman would be a Liberterian but I think he might be spinning in his grave

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