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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
If government were to dictate, under penalty of law, that each individual in the US had to perform 30 minutes of qualified exercise every day, would that be okay, since exercise is good for people?

That is a fair perspective but children have no idea what they are eating, be it good or bad. Do we guide them to healthier choices or simply let them eat "mystery meat" and "sugared drinks of no nutritional value" while demanding they perform academically and physically. During which time they are going through "growing pains". Don't we want them to have the best chance at performing their best in a reasonable context of their health being our priority? Not theirs?

I'm not in favor of kids eating unhealthy food. But, if kids aren't eating the healthy food, shouldn't they at least be eating something? There are also schools that ban kids from bringing bagged lunches. Isn't it a parent's responsibility to determine what a child eats?

At issue isn't healthy vs. unhealthy food choices; it's authoritarian control by government over choices that aren't theirs to make.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

I am going to have to take pics of our food and post em. Our food is most awesome, both in visual appeal and taste. These threads really hit me in the gut, even though I know I shouldn't let something on the internet do that.

I do understand the limitations of institutional cooking. I will also note that some of the stuff that they served in Basic Training in the Army was not appetizing to look at either.

I thought that the turkey gravy they served at the last visitor's lunch looked like the canned cat food that is meat chunks in gravy.

One of the other things I noticed was the "share table." It was a table set up by the trash can for students to put things that they did not open or eat for others to take if they wanted it. Milk, carrot packs, yogurts & cereal from breakfast, and applesauce cups were there. I did think that was a really neat thing to do.

I am also aware of the issues in cooking whole grain pastas. They just do not have the same texture and they cook up differently than regular pasta and that does make it difficult on the kids.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

I am going to have to take pics of our food and post em. Our food is most awesome, both in visual appeal and taste. These threads really hit me in the gut, even though I know I shouldn't let something on the internet do that.

I do understand the limitations of institutional cooking. I will also note that some of the stuff that they served in Basic Training in the Army was not appetizing to look at either.

I thought that the turkey gravy they served at the last visitor's lunch looked like the canned cat food that is meat chunks in gravy.

One of the other things I noticed was the "share table." It was a table set up by the trash can for students to put things that they did not open or eat for others to take if they wanted it. Milk, carrot packs, yogurts & cereal from breakfast, and applesauce cups were there. I did think that was a really neat thing to do.

I am also aware of the issues in cooking whole grain pastas. They just do not have the same texture and they cook up differently than regular pasta and that does make it difficult on the kids.

it makes it difficult for the kids cuz the parents don't have a freaking clue as to what "healthy eating" really is.. I have run into people that claim to "eat healthy" but when you look at the food they buy.. its packaged processed food that is anything but healthy.. healthy eating is much more than not eating Cheetos every night for dinner... I am firmly convinced that a lot of today's illnesses are as a result of people giving power to alter food to the manufacturers who whip up products full of chemicals and ingredients that people cant even pronounce.. how can these things be considered healthy? even no salt canned tomatoes can have sugar added to them instead.. why in the world do tomatoes need sugar? more and more products now have sugar or high fructose corn syrup or some other sweetener added to them, which in turn creates a sugar addiction in kids (& adults).. While it may be good on the surface to see "Milk, carrot packs, yogurts & cereal from breakfast, and applesauce cups" there, was sugar or some other sweetener added to the milk? its hard to find yogurt that doesn't have a lot of sugar added to it, same thing with cereals and applesauce cups.. applesauce is naturally sweet, why does it need sugar added to it? Not that what I say makes a difference, the sugar & processed food addiction is too well engrained in these kids by the time they first attend school..

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
If government were to dictate, under penalty of law, that each individual in the US had to perform 30 minutes of qualified exercise every day, would that be okay, since exercise is good for people?

That is a fair perspective but children have no idea what they are eating, be it good or bad. Do we guide them to healthier choices or simply let them eat "mystery meat" and "sugared drinks of no nutritional value" while demanding they perform academically and physically. During which time they are going through "growing pains". Don't we want them to have the best chance at performing their best in a reasonable context of their health being our priority? Not theirs?

I'm not in favor of kids eating unhealthy food. But, if kids aren't eating the healthy food, shouldn't they at least be eating something? There are also schools that ban kids from bringing bagged lunches. Isn't it a parent's responsibility to determine what a child eats?

At issue isn't healthy vs. unhealthy food choices; it's authoritarian control by government over choices that aren't theirs to make.

Unfortunately Desi, not all parents make a sensible choice; that's the problem.
Sometimes the government have to make those choices for them.

They did it here starting this school year for infant-school kids (aged 4-7) where every child has the option of a free school meal. Apparently, it has gone really well.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

What twisted interpretation is that?

The government isn't insisting the child eats anything. The government is ensuring the child gets to eat something nutritious, sometimes in place of eating nothing at all. Nor is anyone forcing anyone to eat things against religious preferences or health concerns.

Jesus Fucking Christ, what is wrong with you? What planet are you from?

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

I am going to have to take pics of our food and post em. Our food is most awesome, both in visual appeal and taste. These threads really hit me in the gut, even though I know I shouldn't let something on the internet do that.

I do understand the limitations of institutional cooking. I will also note that some of the stuff that they served in Basic Training in the Army was not appetizing to look at either.

I thought that the turkey gravy they served at the last visitor's lunch looked like the canned cat food that is meat chunks in gravy.

One of the other things I noticed was the "share table." It was a table set up by the trash can for students to put things that they did not open or eat for others to take if they wanted it. Milk, carrot packs, yogurts & cereal from breakfast, and applesauce cups were there. I did think that was a really neat thing to do.

I am also aware of the issues in cooking whole grain pastas. They just do not have the same texture and they cook up differently than regular pasta and that does make it difficult on the kids.

it makes it difficult for the kids cuz the parents don't have a freaking clue as to what "healthy eating" really is.. I have run into people that claim to "eat healthy" but when you look at the food they buy.. its packaged processed food that is anything but healthy.. healthy eating is much more than not eating Cheetos every night for dinner... I am firmly convinced that a lot of today's illnesses are as a result of people giving power to alter food to the manufacturers who whip up products full of chemicals and ingredients that people cant even pronounce.. how can these things be considered healthy? even no salt canned tomatoes can have sugar added to them instead.. why in the world do tomatoes need sugar? more and more products now have sugar or high fructose corn syrup or some other sweetener added to them, which in turn creates a sugar addiction in kids (& adults).. While it may be good on the surface to see "Milk, carrot packs, yogurts & cereal from breakfast, and applesauce cups" there, was sugar or some other sweetener added to the milk? its hard to find yogurt that doesn't have a lot of sugar added to it, same thing with cereals and applesauce cups.. applesauce is naturally sweet, why does it need sugar added to it? Not that what I say makes a difference, the sugar & processed food addiction is too well engrained in these kids by the time they first attend school..

I have no idea what kind of canned tomatoes you are buying but I just checked my pantry shelf and my no-salt canned tomatoes have no sugar added to them. I have canned tomatoes for the sole purpose of making chili.

Most often sugar or HFCS is added to low-fat or no-fat food. This is because fat has flavor and so they need SOMETHING to replace the flavor. Recently I purchased some mayo instead of making it myself and I bought "low-fat" on accident. It was noticeably sweet. YUCK! I would have purchased Miracle Whip if I wanted sweet.

The white milk has no added sugar. The chocolate milk does. My daughter refuses to drink flavored milk. The big problem I see with the milk at school is that they get one 8oz carton at breakfast and one 8oz carton at lunch. This makes the two cups recommended per day for children. Feeding them additional yogurt, cheese, or other high calcium foods can lead to calcium induced anemia because calcium interferes with iron absorption.

The yogurt at school probably has sugar of some sort added to it since it was fruit flavored. The yogurt we have at home does not have sugar in it because I make it myself and do not add sugar unless I am mixing it with homemade fruit syrup for the kids. Plain yogurt is an acquired taste. I use it in place of sour cream. LOL

The applesauce the give out is unsweetened. While there is some applesauce in my house, children with teeth receive fresh fruit.

Why do we like sweet foods? Mostly because sweet foods (with a couple exceptions) are not poisonous.

If you really want to wig yourself out over food additives then go look at what they put in baby food. There is a reason that I make my own.

Really it is time constraints and cost that keep most people from eating healthy.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

I am going to have to take pics of our food and post em. Our food is most awesome, both in visual appeal and taste. These threads really hit me in the gut, even though I know I shouldn't let something on the internet do that.

I do understand the limitations of institutional cooking. I will also note that some of the stuff that they served in Basic Training in the Army was not appetizing to look at either.

I thought that the turkey gravy they served at the last visitor's lunch looked like the canned cat food that is meat chunks in gravy.

One of the other things I noticed was the "share table." It was a table set up by the trash can for students to put things that they did not open or eat for others to take if they wanted it. Milk, carrot packs, yogurts & cereal from breakfast, and applesauce cups were there. I did think that was a really neat thing to do.

I am also aware of the issues in cooking whole grain pastas. They just do not have the same texture and they cook up differently than regular pasta and that does make it difficult on the kids.

it makes it difficult for the kids cuz the parents don't have a freaking clue as to what "healthy eating" really is.. I have run into people that claim to "eat healthy" but when you look at the food they buy.. its packaged processed food that is anything but healthy.. healthy eating is much more than not eating Cheetos every night for dinner... I am firmly convinced that a lot of today's illnesses are as a result of people giving power to alter food to the manufacturers who whip up products full of chemicals and ingredients that people cant even pronounce.. how can these things be considered healthy? even no salt canned tomatoes can have sugar added to them instead.. why in the world do tomatoes need sugar? more and more products now have sugar or high fructose corn syrup or some other sweetener added to them, which in turn creates a sugar addiction in kids (& adults).. While it may be good on the surface to see "Milk, carrot packs, yogurts & cereal from breakfast, and applesauce cups" there, was sugar or some other sweetener added to the milk? its hard to find yogurt that doesn't have a lot of sugar added to it, same thing with cereals and applesauce cups.. applesauce is naturally sweet, why does it need sugar added to it? Not that what I say makes a difference, the sugar & processed food addiction is too well engrained in these kids by the time they first attend school..

I have no idea what kind of canned tomatoes you are buying but I just checked my pantry shelf and my no-salt canned tomatoes have no sugar added to them. I have canned tomatoes for the sole purpose of making chili.

Most often sugar or HFCS is added to low-fat or no-fat food. This is because fat has flavor and so they need SOMETHING to replace the flavor. Recently I purchased some mayo instead of making it myself and I bought "low-fat" on accident. It was noticeably sweet. YUCK! I would have purchased Miracle Whip if I wanted sweet.

The white milk has no added sugar. The chocolate milk does. My daughter refuses to drink flavored milk. The big problem I see with the milk at school is that they get one 8oz carton at breakfast and one 8oz carton at lunch. This makes the two cups recommended per day for children. Feeding them additional yogurt, cheese, or other high calcium foods can lead to calcium induced anemia because calcium interferes with iron absorption.

The yogurt at school probably has sugar of some sort added to it since it was fruit flavored. The yogurt we have at home does not have sugar in it because I make it myself and do not add sugar unless I am mixing it with homemade fruit syrup for the kids. Plain yogurt is an acquired taste. I use it in place of sour cream. LOL

The applesauce the give out is unsweetened. While there is some applesauce in my house, children with teeth receive fresh fruit.

Why do we like sweet foods? Mostly because sweet foods (with a couple exceptions) are not poisonous.

If you really want to wig yourself out over food additives then go look at what they put in baby food. There is a reason that I make my own.

Really it is time constraints and cost that keep most people from eating healthy.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
If government were to dictate, under penalty of law, that each individual in the US had to perform 30 minutes of qualified exercise every day, would that be okay, since exercise is good for people?

That is a fair perspective but children have no idea what they are eating, be it good or bad. Do we guide them to healthier choices or simply let them eat "mystery meat" and "sugared drinks of no nutritional value" while demanding they perform academically and physically. During which time they are going through "growing pains". Don't we want them to have the best chance at performing their best in a reasonable context of their health being our priority? Not theirs?

I'm not in favor of kids eating unhealthy food. But, if kids aren't eating the healthy food, shouldn't they at least be eating something? There are also schools that ban kids from bringing bagged lunches. Isn't it a parent's responsibility to determine what a child eats?
At issue isn't healthy vs. unhealthy food choices; it's authoritarian control by government over choices that aren't theirs to make.

Unfortunately Desi, not all parents make a sensible choice; that's the problem.
Sometimes the government have to make those choices for them.
They did it here starting this school year for infant-school kids (aged 4-7) where every child has the option of a free school meal. Apparently, it has gone really well.

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• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

If she saw a well intentioned program failing, and thought the problem might be in the design and structure of the program, she wouldn't be a liberal, now would she?

Dumbass.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
http://www.snopes.com/politics/education/lunchban.asp
Another scary Internet myth pretending to be policy.

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• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
http://www.snopes.com/politics/education/lunchban.asp
Another scary Internet myth pretending to be policy.

Who said it was Federal policy (which is what the "scary internet myth" is about)?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/11/chicago-public-school-ban_n_847581.html

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclusives/display_exclusive.html?id=8762


"A preschooler at West Hoke Elementary School ate three chicken nuggets for lunch Jan. 30 because the school told her the lunch her mother packed was not nutritious.

The girl’s turkey and cheese sandwich, banana, potato chips, and apple juice did not meet U.S. Department of Agriculture guidelines, according to the interpretation of the person who was inspecting all lunch boxes in the More at Four classroom that day.

The Division of Child Development and Early Education at the Department of Health and Human Services requires all lunches served in pre-kindergarten programs — including in-home day care centers — to meet USDA guidelines. That means lunches must consist of one serving of meat, one serving of milk, one serving of grain, and two servings of fruit or vegetables, even if the lunches are brought from home. "

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
http://www.snopes.com/politics/education/lunchban.asp
Another scary Internet myth pretending to be policy.

Who said it was Federal policy (which is what the "scary internet myth" is about)?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/11/chicago-public-school-ban_n_847581.html

"The Division of Child Development and Early Education at the Department of Health and Human Services requires all lunches served in pre-kindergarten programs — including in-home day care centers — to meet USDA guidelines. That means lunches must consist of one serving of meat, one serving of milk, one serving of grain, and two servings of fruit or vegetables"

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
http://www.snopes.com/politics/education/lunchban.asp
Another scary Internet myth pretending to be policy.

Who said it was Federal policy (which is what the "scary internet myth" is about)?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/11/chicago-public-school-ban_n_847581.html

"The Division of Child Development and Early Education at the Department of Health and Human Services requires all lunches served in pre-kindergarten programs — including in-home day care centers — to meet USDA guidelines. That means lunches must consist of one serving of meat, one serving of milk, one serving of grain, and two servings of fruit or vegetables"

You're seriously going to try to take a quote from someone else's link (that doesn't have anything to do with mine) and use it as a counter to the link I posted? Seriously?

Might want to wait for that magic carpet to land before you post any more.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Ah. More turkey.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)