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RE: Gambling on Michelle O's horrid lunches - 12/19/2014 8:19:08 AM   
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I agree with tj444. Seriously Aylee, you might find this hard to believe but you are an exception to the rule. People are (somewhat) now becoming more aware of their foods and healthier alternatives but I'm telling you some people simply think "food is food". Especially when they are poor. Give the kid some twinkies and milk, that's dinner. Or worse yet, unable to monitor what your child does eat because you work long hours.
I have NO IDEA how my dad did it except that he was superdad. He cooked our meals, packed our lunches and made dinner nightly on top of working overtime as an accountant and being a member of the Toastmaster's club and squeezing friends in on occasion.
Not only parents, but kids have a lot going on as well including extra curricular activities. There are a lot more time constraints I think not only for the 21st century parent but the student as well. We no longer have "stay at home moms". Two incomes required or things get sticky. This is a side effect of inflation of course.


I think that whole "need to educate themselves" is a cop-out. I will agree that being poor makes it more difficult but no one is unaware that Twinkies and Cheetos are unhealthy.

I understand not being able to purchase and store Ezekial bread, but that is NOT an excuse for not purchasing multi-grain bread with 4-5 grams of protein per slice. And you do not even have to really read labels because they print that information right on the front (calories/protein/carbs.)

Yes, individually wrapped cheese sticks can get pricey. You can purchase a brick though and make your own cheese "sticks."

A dozen eggs is fairly inexpensive and hard boiled eggs are a very healthy snack.

Apples and bananas are inexpensive and you can also purchase other "sale" or "in season" fruits. Some stores even have a rack of discounted fruits and veggies that are getting older.

Carrots, onions, squash, celery, and several kinds of cabbage are inexpensive and need no special storage. And other than the squash they can be eaten raw if need be.

I just do not see how you can maintain that people are unaware that the above choices are healthier than fast food, frozen pizza, chips, or snack cakes. Other than the fruit, they do require a bit of effort though.

And for the record, yes my children DO get treat food. I make them banana bread and oatmeal cookies (which can be frozen) as well as the candy and treats they get from holidays, school, and other adults which encompasses a lot of treats.

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RE: Gambling on Michelle O's horrid lunches - 12/19/2014 8:33:19 AM   
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RE: Gambling on Michelle O's horrid lunches - 12/19/2014 8:45:17 AM   
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Fuck. Now I have to agree with Aylee...




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RE: Gambling on Michelle O's horrid lunches - 12/19/2014 8:45:53 AM   
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RE: Gambling on Michelle O's horrid lunches - 12/19/2014 8:46:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		To Aylee, perhaps you have not heard about "food deserts" here in the US. You can google or I can find a few reliable links you can check out.

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RE: Gambling on Michelle O's horrid lunches - 12/19/2014 8:49:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's why the urban/community garden initiative is so important (and so very cool).

Rural folks can have plenty of fresh veggies if they care to--speaking as one who lives in such an area.

In fact, there's too much food. People are always looking for ways to get rid of it.

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RE: Gambling on Michelle O's horrid lunches - 12/19/2014 8:58:56 AM   
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Fuck. Now I have to agree with Aylee...




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RE: Gambling on Michelle O's horrid lunches - 12/19/2014 9:25:16 AM   
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If government were to dictate, under penalty of law, that each individual in the US had to perform 30 minutes of qualified exercise every day, would that be okay, since exercise is good for people?

That is a fair perspective but children have no idea what they are eating, be it good or bad. Do we guide them to healthier choices or simply let them eat "mystery meat" and "sugared drinks of no nutritional value" while demanding they perform academically and physically. During which time they are going through "growing pains". Don't we want them to have the best chance at performing their best in a reasonable context of their health being our priority? Not theirs?


I'm not in favor of kids eating unhealthy food. But, if kids aren't eating the healthy food, shouldn't they at least be eating something? There are also schools that ban kids from bringing bagged lunches. Isn't it a parent's responsibility to determine what a child eats?

At issue isn't healthy vs. unhealthy food choices; it's authoritarian control by government over choices that aren't theirs to make.


Unfortunately Desi, not all parents make a sensible choice; that's the problem.
Sometimes the government have to make those choices for them.

They did it here starting this school year for infant-school kids (aged 4-7) where every child has the option of a free school meal. Apparently, it has gone really well.



Unless the child has been removed from the parents for abuse or neglect, the government should NOT be raising the child and making such choices for them. That is just crazy.

I didn't say to raise the child - just give the parents the option of having the school provide a healthy option to what many kids have as a processed food lunch or no lunch at all.

Not all parents are savvy as to what is healthy and what isn't.
My neighbour is a prime example.
She isn't stupid but she thinks a good packed lunch for school is Dairylea cheese dippers, a choccy bar and two bags of chips.

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Let me give you an example of why not.

Yesterday was another "have lunch with your kid day," and the entree was ham and scalloped au gratin potatoes.

Maybe you are lucky but where I am, most kids wouldn't be able to have lunch with their kids because most are working or doing something else.
Besides which, most parents would not be allowed on school premises during school hours and for many, there isn't time to go into town for lunch.

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You say that the government has the right to insist that a child eats this lunch.

Who said "insist"????
You really don't read to well at times.
It's an OPTION provided by the school for free.

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My child has sensory issues. Making her eat that will rapidly lead to her vomiting.

And who said anything about the speed of eating??
Kids get a lunch break. They need to eat their lunch within that time span.
Dunno about you, but for many schools here, that would be 45-55 minutes.

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Making a Jewish or Muslim child eat that would be violating their religious tenants, which is a a direct violation of the 1st amendment.

And nobody brought up religion except YOU.
Religions are catered for in a healthy way.
Maybe your schools wouldn't but ours do.


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The children of vegans and vegetarians would be forced to eat meat against the parents belief system.

Who said anything about that???
See above.

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Essentially you are maintaining that the government owns people's children. This is doubleplusungood.

Nope. Nothing of the sort.


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RE: Gambling on Michelle O's horrid lunches - 12/19/2014 9:45:33 AM   
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I think that whole "need to educate themselves" is a cop-out. I will agree that being poor makes it more difficult but no one is unaware that Twinkies and Cheetos are unhealthy.

I understand not being able to purchase and store Ezekial bread, but that is NOT an excuse for not purchasing multi-grain bread with 4-5 grams of protein per slice. And you do not even have to really read labels because they print that information right on the front (calories/protein/carbs.)

Yes, individually wrapped cheese sticks can get pricey. You can purchase a brick though and make your own cheese "sticks."

A dozen eggs is fairly inexpensive and hard boiled eggs are a very healthy snack.

Apples and bananas are inexpensive and you can also purchase other "sale" or "in season" fruits. Some stores even have a rack of discounted fruits and veggies that are getting older.

Carrots, onions, squash, celery, and several kinds of cabbage are inexpensive and need no special storage. And other than the squash they can be eaten raw if need be.

I just do not see how you can maintain that people are unaware that the above choices are healthier than fast food, frozen pizza, chips, or snack cakes. Other than the fruit, they do require a bit of effort though.

And for the record, yes my children DO get treat food. I make them banana bread and oatmeal cookies (which can be frozen) as well as the candy and treats they get from holidays, school, and other adults which encompasses a lot of treats.

I guess I have a different standard then.. I developed an interest in what food I ate and didn't eat as a child when I became a vegetarian and then when living on my own as a teenager I started reading books on food, ingredients, etc so I see the need to educate yourself so you can make the best food choices you can.. I starts with parents that show their kids what is healthy and not, but they have to know that first..

I know a family where the teenagers that "cook" dinner (which mostly consists of opening packages, mixes and cans) don't even know to wash the veggies and fruit they use... I told the teenagers they should be washing those strawberries especially cuz they are one of the dirty dozen and loaded with fungicides (especially if they are from florida), etc.. not to mention who needs E coli from not washing them? Seriously, shouldn't washing fruit & veggies you are about to eat or cook be pretty basic and common sense and yet these teenagers were apparently "unaware" that they should be doing that.. This is one of the family's that have told me they "eat healthy"..

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RE: Gambling on Michelle O's horrid lunches - 12/19/2014 10:52:57 AM   
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Fuck. Now I have to agree with Aylee...




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RE: Gambling on Michelle O's horrid lunches - 12/19/2014 11:07:36 AM   
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Unfortunately Desi, not all parents make a sensible choice; that's the problem.
Sometimes the government have to make those choices for them.




That is what you said. If the parent is not making what the government thinks is the correct choice then the government has to make the choice for the parent.

I then listed the problems with that kind of central planning.

And I have no idea what to tell you about school's having a visitor lunch day or days. Maybe that is something you can work towards implementing.

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RE: Gambling on Michelle O's horrid lunches - 12/19/2014 11:11:29 AM   
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Yeah, God forbid we have the government "in our bedrooms" but we'll accept them, telling us what to put into our bodies?

By the way, this was one of the things I felt was wrong with Obummercare because the government then has an "excuse" to tell us what we have to do about food (because if we're not eating what they say is healthy, we're a drain on the resources that others are paying for).



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RE: Gambling on Michelle O's horrid lunches - 12/19/2014 11:18:44 AM   
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Unfortunately Desi, not all parents make a sensible choice; that's the problem.
Sometimes the government have to make those choices for them.




That is what you said. If the parent is not making what the government thinks is the correct choice then the government has to make the choice for the parent.

I then listed the problems with that kind of central planning.

And I have no idea what to tell you about school's having a visitor lunch day or days. Maybe that is something you can work towards implementing.

I also went on to explain what they've done here "...where every child has the option of a free school meal" which you so conveniently forgot to include in the quote.

And there's no way to implement what you are proposing re: visitor lunch days.
it's just not practical given the lifestyles of the parents and the facilities available.
As a tiny island with very little room (or money) to build or cater for such luxuries, it would be virtually impossible.

As it happens, most of our 'central planning' as you put it, usually caters for every spectrum of our society.
Maybe they don't do that in the US quite as much as we do.
When I lived there, it was basically for the christians and not much else considered.


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RE: Gambling on Michelle O's horrid lunches - 12/19/2014 11:20:01 AM   
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Yeah, God forbid we have the government "in our bedrooms" but we'll accept them, telling us what to put into our bodies?

By the way, this was one of the things I felt was wrong with Obummercare because the government then has an "excuse" to tell us what we have to do about food (because if we're not eating what they say is healthy, we're a drain on the resources that others are paying for).



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RE: Gambling on Michelle O's horrid lunches - 12/19/2014 11:24:57 AM   
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To Aylee, perhaps you have not heard about "food deserts" here in the US. You can google or I can find a few reliable links you can check out.


I know the idea behind "food deserts." No car and no supermarket within a mile. That would be me without a vehicle.

I can also tell you that if I did not have a car to travel to one of the cities with chain grocery stores, I would walk the two miles to get on a bus to take me there once a week. Ya see, that kind of thing just has to be a priority. (I could also look into getting one of those trailer thingies for my bicycle.)

There is also something called "indoor gardening" or such. Where you can actually grow greens and tomatoes and such in your kitchen.

Again, it is easier to make excuses.

Oh, and let me add one more thing for rural areas. Foraging. This year I picked salal berries, thimble berries, blackberries, and rose hips. Pickleweed and some other were gathered this year as well. The kids LOVED the outings. It is all about making an effort.

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RE: Gambling on Michelle O's horrid lunches - 12/19/2014 11:51:34 AM   
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I think that whole "need to educate themselves" is a cop-out. I will agree that being poor makes it more difficult but no one is unaware that Twinkies and Cheetos are unhealthy.

I understand not being able to purchase and store Ezekial bread, but that is NOT an excuse for not purchasing multi-grain bread with 4-5 grams of protein per slice. And you do not even have to really read labels because they print that information right on the front (calories/protein/carbs.)

Yes, individually wrapped cheese sticks can get pricey. You can purchase a brick though and make your own cheese "sticks."

A dozen eggs is fairly inexpensive and hard boiled eggs are a very healthy snack.

Apples and bananas are inexpensive and you can also purchase other "sale" or "in season" fruits. Some stores even have a rack of discounted fruits and veggies that are getting older.

Carrots, onions, squash, celery, and several kinds of cabbage are inexpensive and need no special storage. And other than the squash they can be eaten raw if need be.

I just do not see how you can maintain that people are unaware that the above choices are healthier than fast food, frozen pizza, chips, or snack cakes. Other than the fruit, they do require a bit of effort though.

And for the record, yes my children DO get treat food. I make them banana bread and oatmeal cookies (which can be frozen) as well as the candy and treats they get from holidays, school, and other adults which encompasses a lot of treats.

I guess I have a different standard then.. I developed an interest in what food I ate and didn't eat as a child when I became a vegetarian and then when living on my own as a teenager I started reading books on food, ingredients, etc so I see the need to educate yourself so you can make the best food choices you can.. I starts with parents that show their kids what is healthy and not, but they have to know that first..

I know a family where the teenagers that "cook" dinner (which mostly consists of opening packages, mixes and cans) don't even know to wash the veggies and fruit they use... I told the teenagers they should be washing those strawberries especially cuz they are one of the dirty dozen and loaded with fungicides (especially if they are from florida), etc.. not to mention who needs E coli from not washing them? Seriously, shouldn't washing fruit & veggies you are about to eat or cook be pretty basic and common sense and yet these teenagers were apparently "unaware" that they should be doing that.. This is one of the family's that have told me they "eat healthy"..


Seriously, there is no reason that people need to be able to discuss the gylcemic index of different foods to make healthy choices. You needn't even make the "best" food choices. "Good" food choices, in most cases, will be just dandy.

Most "super foods" are not. Drink water. Eat a variety of colors (unfortunately M&Ms do not count). Fresh or frozen is better than canned. Less processing is better. Try to avoid sugar and simple carbs ~ not avoid them like the plague, but reduce where you can. If you buy boxed cereal make sure that sugar is not in the first 6 ingredients. You do not need to eat as much meat as you think you do. Lunchmeat is not as healthy as beef, ham, turkey, or chicken roasted and sliced by yourself (although I suppose that falls under processing.)

That is pretty much all the education you need to make healthier choices.

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As far as not washing fruits and veggie? Harmful strains of E. Coli and other food borne illnesses are a great way to loose weight! Don't think of the glass as half empty! (no, I do not REALLY recommend those for anyone.)

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RE: Gambling on Michelle O's horrid lunches - 12/19/2014 11:54:23 AM   
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Yeah, God forbid we have the government "in our bedrooms" but we'll accept them, telling us what to put into our bodies?

By the way, this was one of the things I felt was wrong with Obummercare because the government then has an "excuse" to tell us what we have to do about food (because if we're not eating what they say is healthy, we're a drain on the resources that others are paying for).



Michael


Government is encroaching into our bedrooms via "affirmative consent" rules and laws.

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RE: Gambling on Michelle O's horrid lunches - 12/19/2014 12:17:25 PM   
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Done.

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RE: Gambling on Michelle O's horrid lunches - 12/19/2014 1:15:26 PM   
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I practice affirmative consent. I said "I'm collaring you" and she said "OK."

Done.


That is not ongoing affirmative consent. Seriously. She has to verbally affirm her consent at every step, every time. I would say that it is only hitting college campuses, but there is a lawmaker in Iowa being charged with a felony because he had sex with his now late wife who had Alzheimer's.


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RE: Gambling on Michelle O's horrid lunches - 12/19/2014 1:49:29 PM   
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