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Musicmystery -> RE: Love Those Protests (12/16/2014 5:36:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Since your interest is sarcasm, pass.

I think folks would like to know what percentage of innocent victims at the hands of police is an acceptable percentage?



Actually it was a sincere question but I am not surprised you chose not to answer it.

I go on the assumption that adults are capable of basic math.

If that gets your ire up, that's something you'll have to work on yourself.



Sanity -> RE: Love Those Protests (12/16/2014 5:42:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Since your interest is sarcasm, pass.

I think folks would like to know what percentage of innocent victims at the hands of police is an acceptable percentage?



Actually it was a sincere question but I am not surprised you chose not to answer it.

I go on the assumption that adults are capable of basic math.

If that gets your ire up, that's something you'll have to work on yourself.



Shocking

Yet another left-of-center individual has to resort to ad hominems to "win" a "debate"



Musicmystery -> RE: Love Those Protests (12/16/2014 5:43:18 AM)

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CreativeDominant -> RE: Love Those Protests (12/16/2014 7:25:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

How would you find out the percentage of bad cops .....how is that possible? there are no such studies, bad cops tend to not want to be found out until its too late and someone is dead or injured.
To say its a serious question is truly idiotic.
But not surprised you expected to be taken seriously.



Yet despite the violence and other serious issues we must assume that the rioters are 99.999% pure of heart

99.6%, actually -- 24,900 out of 25,000
Is the Times the only source stating that it was "only" 100 violent, death-seeking-for-the innocent cops-as-well-as-the guilty, protesters? Because the have been shown in the past to downplay anything not so nicely-nice from their causes...shocker, I know.



PeonForHer -> RE: Love Those Protests (12/16/2014 7:27:09 AM)

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99.6%, actually -- 24,900 out of 25,000


So if only 100 cops in 25,000 acted like bad cops at any time - that is, 1 in 250, we could expect to see newspaper stories about cops, as a whole, being bad. Hmm. Doesn't happen here in the UK, from what I've seen. 1 bad cop in 250 would only ever be 'one bad apple' - an 'exception'.



thishereboi -> RE: Love Those Protests (12/16/2014 7:28:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

How would you find out the percentage of bad cops .....how is that possible? there are no such studies, bad cops tend to not want to be found out until its too late and someone is dead or injured.
To say its a serious question is truly idiotic.
But not surprised you expected to be taken seriously.




You could look at how many have shot someone compared to how many are out there. Then you could try to see how many of those were justified. But I can understand why you might want to go the easy route and just claim they are all out there because they want to hunt black kids and just assume the majority of them are lousy shots. After all it's all good when you judge the entire group on the acts of a few as long as it's the right group you are going after. Otherwise you're a bigot.



Musicmystery -> RE: Love Those Protests (12/16/2014 7:39:32 AM)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States

It happens a LOT.

Total cops in the US? 780,000.

Make of it what you will.





Lucylastic -> RE: Love Those Protests (12/16/2014 7:40:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

You could look at how many have shot someone compared to how many are out there. Then you could try to see how many of those were justified. But I can understand why you might want to go the easy route and just claim they are all out there because they want to hunt black kids and just assume the majority of them are lousy shots. After all it's all good when you judge the entire group on the acts of a few as long as it's the right group you are going after. Otherwise you're a bigot.


Where do you get the idea that I would claim they are all out there because they want to hunt black kids.
you are such ignorant trash



Moderator3 -> RE: Love Those Protests (12/16/2014 7:57:03 AM)

Just so everyone is aware:

It may be time for some members to utilize the block feature if they are unable to resist following one another around the forum (harassment), turning every thread into a nightmare of personal attack and possibly agenda driven.

I am not going to have staff become mediators. When I start shooting I am not going to care who I take out. If we need to go back to hardcore-over-moderation, I will consider it for a time. The Feisty sections were a test feature and can be canceled at any time.



CreativeDominant -> RE: Love Those Protests (12/16/2014 9:18:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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99.6%, actually -- 24,900 out of 25,000


So if only 100 cops in 25,000 acted like bad cops at any time - that is, 1 in 250, we could expect to see newspaper stories about cops, as a whole, being bad. Hmm. Doesn't happen here in the UK, from what I've seen. 1 bad cop in 250 would only ever be 'one bad apple' - an 'exception'.
Could you imagine the uproar though over those 100 cops march in while chanting "what do we want? Dead protesters...when do we want them? Now!" ?



Musicmystery -> RE: Love Those Protests (12/16/2014 10:43:15 AM)

I'm certain I'd like the police held to a higher standard than some random people joining a march.

Wouldn't you?



CreativeDominant -> RE: Love Those Protests (12/16/2014 12:09:25 PM)

On the job? Sure. In their off-hours? To a much lesser extent.

But your non-answer is in itself an answer. For anyone else to preach death to those sworn to protect them...pass. For police officers to preach retaliation to those who seek to kill them...of course not.



slvemike4u -> RE: Love Those Protests (12/16/2014 1:08:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I'm not sure the dead people agree.

Nor would their grieving families
Sanity and CD don't give a shit about that,just the cost of doing business .



Musicmystery -> RE: Love Those Protests (12/16/2014 1:31:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

On the job? Sure. In their off-hours? To a much lesser extent.

But your non-answer is in itself an answer. For anyone else to preach death to those sworn to protect them...pass. For police officers to preach retaliation to those who seek to kill them...of course not.

That's not at all what I said, and you know it.

If you want to have a discussion, I'm happy to clarify our views and learn our reasons.

If you want to be another joke poster stamping his feet and sticking out his tongue (I'm still shaking my head over that one), I pass.



CreativeDominant -> RE: Love Those Protests (12/16/2014 1:34:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I'm not sure the dead people agree.

Nor would their grieving families
Sanity and CD don't give a shit about that,just the cost of doing business .
Fuck you. You show me a thread, including this one, where I said anything against grieving family. I won't hold my breath.

But that's not what this thread's about, though you'd like to derail it from what it is about: Protesters calling for dead cops now. I give a shit about people chanting about wanting dead cops.

You might try reading the thread instead of just going your usual route and assuming that...Because it's written by someone to the right of you...the poster is wrong or that you know their thoughts.

Ask MM to point you to the post in this thread where I said the Staten Island cops were wrong.

Tell me...do you support these protesters and chants? Easy question.



MrRodgers -> RE: Love Those Protests (12/16/2014 1:46:46 PM)

As far as I am concerned and I am not alone, Brown and Garner (and Martin) are dead because they were black and would be alive today if they were white. It IS that simple still in America.

There will be more men who will be shot to death because they are black who as likely wouldn't be shot to death...if they are white.



CreativeDominant -> RE: Love Those Protests (12/16/2014 2:20:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

As far as I am concerned and I am not alone, Brown and Garner (and Martin) are dead because they were black and would be alive today if they were white. It IS that simple still in America.

There will be more men who will be shot to death because they are black who as likely wouldn't be shot to death...if they are white.

And that has fuck all to do with this thread, cardigan. You might try the Ferguson threads...oh wait, they found Wilson (a cop) not indictable. I've already stated the cops were wrong in the Garner case. Maybe the Trayvon Martin thread? Oh wait...Zimmermann (not a cop) was found not guilty. So you're allowed to have your opinion but it doesn't match with any of the three proceedings took place. While I will agree that they came to a wrong verdict, I will disagree with your opinion as to the cause of their death.



Kirata -> RE: Love Those Protests (12/16/2014 3:30:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

As far as I am concerned and I am not alone, Brown and Garner (and Martin) are dead because they were black and would be alive today if they were white. It IS that simple still in America.

What happened to Brown and Garner proceeded from their decision to resist arrest. Arrest is a routine procedure. You just do what you're told. Don't be a jerk. Cops are not social workers. They don't need your shit. They will use incapacitating force.

K.




BamaD -> RE: Love Those Protests (12/16/2014 3:37:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

As far as I am concerned and I am not alone, Brown and Garner (and Martin) are dead because they were black and would be alive today if they were white. It IS that simple still in America.

There will be more men who will be shot to death because they are black who as likely wouldn't be shot to death...if they are white.

Brown and Martin are dead because they attacked someone.
Gardner is dead because the cops screwed up.
Period



CreativeDominant -> RE: Love Those Protests (12/17/2014 7:33:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

On the job? Sure. In their off-hours? To a much lesser extent.

But your non-answer is in itself an answer. For anyone else to preach death to those sworn to protect them...pass. For police officers to preach retaliation to those who seek to kill them...of course not.

That's not at all what I said, and you know it.

If you want to have a discussion, I'm happy to clarify our views and learn our reasons.

If you want to be another joke poster stamping his feet and sticking out his tongue (I'm still shaking my head over that one), I pass.
Stamping my feet and sticking out my tongue? Must have me confused with somebody else? Perhaps Joether?

O.k. My view is that protesters calling for dead cops is wrong. What's your view?

My view is that if cops were to hold the same type of protest calling for dead protesters, it would be all over the news instead of being ignored or minimized by the mainstream media. What's your view?

My view is that there is no excuse for the professor who was trying to injure police officers by dumping stuff on them. That there's no excuse for those who assaulted other police officers...observers...sending at least two to the hospital. That there's no excuse for the damage to property paid for by taxpayers or to private property. What's your view?



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