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ORIGINAL: Carameldomme

Someone may have addressed this already, but I'm reading and want to respond to the idiocy.
the 'dead cops chant' march occurred in NYC. The march in NYC was organized by entirely different individuals - NOT Sharpton. Sharpton organized a march in a completely different city, and he was not in NYC when this went down.

FURTHER- the group that chanted 'dead cops' - if you LOOK at the video -was about 50-100 strong. The organized march was about 50,000 people. This would indicate to a child of moderate intelligence that those chanting were not part of the 50k group.

They may have been part of it once, or they may have been an entirely different group of people.

also, note the time. It was dark. The march was at 2pm. By a few minutes after 5pm, the last of the marchers were at 14th street or below. There was no large gap between the marchers. The MANY other photos and videos (which do not have a 'dead cops' chant) can attest to that.

Murray Hill - which is where all reports I've seen state the video taped chant took place is at 34th street and north. Not only were the protesters back downtown by the time of the chant, but that march NEVER WENT TO 34th Street. At 32nd street, it turned and went back downtown.


#BlackLivesMatter - if it were a GIVEN that ALL lives matter, no one would need to specify that these lives matter. It does not say White/yellow/orange lives don't matter.
When someone wears a ribbon to bring awareness to breast cancer, or flies a POW flag- doyou respond - "I guess testicular cancer doesn't matter!" or "What about vets who were injured and not imprsoned?" No, you don't, because that would be stupid, and we understand that it is ok for a person to support a specific cause. And so it is (stupid) to criticize the #BlackLivesMatter hashtag or pretend it implies that other lives don't.

The notion of this being the only case of a politically motivated person killing police -
I'm not convinced this is more political than mental health.
ya been watching too much Fox if you think this is the first time cops have been murdered over political ideas.
http://heavy.com/news/2014/09/eric-matthew-frein-pennsylvania-state-police-shooting-survivalist/
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/11/justice/las-vegas-shooting/

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ORIGINAL: Carameldomme

Someone may have addressed this already, but I'm reading and want to respond to the idiocy.
the 'dead cops chant' march occurred in NYC. The march in NYC was organized by entirely different individuals - NOT Sharpton. Sharpton organized a march in a completely different city, and he was not in NYC when this went down.

FURTHER- the group that chanted 'dead cops' - if you LOOK at the video -was about 50-100 strong. The organized march was about 50,000 people. This would indicate to a child of moderate intelligence that those chanting were not part of the 50k group.

They may have been part of it once, or they may have been an entirely different group of people.

also, note the time. It was dark. The march was at 2pm. By a few minutes after 5pm, the last of the marchers were at 14th street or below. There was no large gap between the marchers. The MANY other photos and videos (which do not have a 'dead cops' chant) can attest to that.

Murray Hill - which is where all reports I've seen state the video taped chant took place is at 34th street and north. Not only were the protesters back downtown by the time of the chant, but that march NEVER WENT TO 34th Street. At 32nd street, it turned and went back downtown.


#BlackLivesMatter - if it were a GIVEN that ALL lives matter, no one would need to specify that these lives matter. It does not say White/yellow/orange lives don't matter.
When someone wears a ribbon to bring awareness to breast cancer, or flies a POW flag- doyou respond - "I guess testicular cancer doesn't matter!" or "What about vets who were injured and not imprsoned?" No, you don't, because that would be stupid, and we understand that it is ok for a person to support a specific cause. And so it is (stupid) to criticize the #BlackLivesMatter hashtag or pretend it implies that other lives don't.

The notion of this being the only case of a politically motivated person killing police -
I'm not convinced this is more political than mental health.
ya been watching too much Fox if you think this is the first time cops have been murdered over political ideas.
http://heavy.com/news/2014/09/eric-matthew-frein-pennsylvania-state-police-shooting-survivalist/
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/11/justice/las-vegas-shooting/

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Yep... rioting now... blocking streets and a major highway...windows broken...shots fired...some looters were trying to break into businesses but other protesters chased them off, good for them... Last night protesters tried to burn down a QT after they broke in and stole beer and snacks... Luckily bystanders tried to put it out until police got there with extinguishers. Two police were injured by thrown rocks and bottles... The usual peaceful protests we have here in St. Louis...What do they think this type of behavior will do?

Social media has this punk with a gun turned into an unarmed angel already.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

It is a little different.. I think African Americans are getting tired of being branded as thieves, arsonists, and rioters... These were fellow protesters that stopped some of the looting and tried to put out the fire. We will see how things go tonight.

Butch

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Actually, this whole incident is about a mentally unbalanced man armed with dangerous guns. This time the outcome was two dead police officers.

Another topic is how the Police now report feeling targeted.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Yep... rioting now... blocking streets and a major highway...windows broken...shots fired...some looters were trying to break into businesses but other protesters chased them off, good for them... Last night protesters tried to burn down a QT after they broke in and stole beer and snacks... Luckily bystanders tried to put it out until police got there with extinguishers. Two police were injured by thrown rocks and bottles... The usual peaceful protests we have here in St. Louis...What do they think this type of behavior will do?

Social media has this punk with a gun turned into an unarmed angel already.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: Carameldomme




"Nobody said this was the first one. But it is the current one."
Well, the original post implies that it's singular. " Imagine if the Tea Party, a deranged Tea Party member did something of the sort..."

mention that the one in Las Vegas was used as an excuse to attack all gun owners.
"So saying that people who pretend that cops are conducting a war against blacks and those who chant death to cops bear some responsibility are not out of line"
Two separate sets of people. 1- I take exception to your use "pretend." There is. If you'd lucky enough to be ignorant of this, enjoy your blinders.
Perhaps those who made that chant do bear responsibility. If they asked for it,I would think they'd revel in their success at this time. However, as I clearly pointed out,, my issue is that 50,000 people are being coloured by the words of an unrelated 100. That coloring is extended to a person who DID NOT organize either of these marches, just because people want to blame him.


I do NOT know that Sharpton did either of those things, but I don't take issue with either. Why should tragedy pause this movement? That's like saying people who work against GMOS should stop their work because a hippie killed mr.monsanto. To say this movement should pause is to implicate the movement in these men's deaths, and for anyone who is involved the movement to do so is almost an admission of culpability. I state EMPHATICALLY that this movement is NOT responsible for those murders. It's certainly less responsible for those murders than the entire police/justice conglomerate is for the murders of myriad unarmed Black men, but when do you see those entities pausing their work? Do you question why they don't?


"You do know don't you that Sharpton referred to this as a revolution in his dismissal of the NYC mayor's request not to have demonstrations today when Ramos's funeral was to be held?"

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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Actually, this whole incident is about a mentally unbalanced man armed with dangerous guns. This time the outcome was two dead police officers.

Another topic is how the Police now report feeling targeted.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/25/nyregion/tracing-the-gun-used-to-kill-2-new-york-city-police-officers.html?_r=0

• JONESBORO, Ga. — The silver Taurus semiautomatic handgun used to kill two police officers in New York City began its journey into the hands of the gunman, Ismaaiyl Brinsley, a felon with a history of mental illness, at a pawnshop here bristling with guns for sale.

• “We’ll try to piece together the trail of that gun,” the police official said, “from hand to hand, from person to person, to find out how it gets to him.”

• As recently as 2010, Arrowhead was the leading out-of-state source of guns recovered by the New York Police Department in crimes, according to an article in The Daily News. Georgia is also part of the “Iron Pipeline,” a chain of Southern states with looser gun laws that is responsible for sending a steady stream of firearms into New York and other Northern cities, where there are many more restrictions on who can purchase a gun.

Loved this from the gun shop:

>On Tuesday, employees at Arrowhead, which is nestled between a store selling school uniforms and a Hibachi Grill Supreme Buffet, refused to discuss the transaction related to the police shooting.

“We’re not going to answer any questions today,” an employee said. “Please leave.”

Reached by telephone later that day, Arthur Banks, the store’s chief executive, declined to comment.

On its website, Arrowhead describes itself as “a family-owned business dedicated to good prices, good customer service and good vibes.” It began as a small store of about 2,000 square feet, and it expanded to four times that size after a 2007 fire.<

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Perhaps the propagandists at the far left New York Times could trace the ownerships of cars used in the recent wave of violence in France[/link]

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Of course some take offense to the word pretend. I take offense to the charge that it is taking place.
Once you convince 15 % of the population that the cops are out to kill them you have to be a fool to not expect a tragedy like this. Sharpton didn't have to be in town to have set the wheels in motion. When this happened he was in DC, close to where the shooter came up from, that day.
As you can see Cloudboy is trying to blame gun owners for this.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Of course some take offense to the word pretend. I take offense to the charge that it is taking place.
Once you convince 15 % of the population that the cops are out to kill them you have to be a fool to not expect a tragedy like this. Sharpton didn't have to be in town to have set the wheels in motion. When this happened he was in DC, close to where the shooter came up from, that day.
As you can see Cloudboy is trying to blame gun owners for this.

"Reverend" Sharpton had his crowd chanting "no peace"

Using the lie that Michael Brown was an innocent little babe in the woods to incite violence and hatred toward white police officers and society in general

Not exactly Ghandi or MLK is he

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

http://thedailybanter.com/2014/10/indiana-police-smash-car-window-tase-black-man-because-profiling-didnt-work-out/
watch the video if you dare

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dncrime/Bartender-charged-shooting-mcgeehans-bar-second-shot.html
ohhh just arrested and he shot someone...with five counts of aggravated assault, possessing an instrument of crime, violation of the Uniform Firearms Act and related offenses


http://thedailybanter.com/2014/09/new-waOn the same day prosecutors released surveillance video of John Crawford III being shot dead for allegedly failing to “obey police commands,” authorities in South Carolina released dash-cam video of a 35 year-old black man being shot by a cop for obeying police commands to the letter. In Crawford’s case, police say he failed to obey their commands to put down an air rifle that they thought was a real gun, and while the video appears to show that he was trying to do that when he was shot, there was apparently enough wiggle room in the minds of grand jurors to let the officers off scot-free.
Read more at http://thedailybanter.com/2014/09/new-way-get-shot-obeying-police-commands-precisely-black/#KhJ8mdMSTwP8lg65.99y-get-shot-obeying-police-commands-precisely-black/