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Musicmystery -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/27/2014 10:07:13 AM)

~FR~

Or, consider addressing the topic points raised.

Everything's easy when you just invent your own reality.

This either/or what-you're-saying baloney is so pointless.

First, it's automatically a straw man, because there isn't anyone so polarized and simplistic as the resulting caricature.

Second, because it's not actually addressing any actually held positions, it's literally pointless -- it's not refuting anything except mental projections.

And Third, pointing out an injustice does not mean something therefore is against everyone of similar circumstances. That's just made up silliness.

Realistically --

No one here supports killing cops. Deal with it.
No one here supports calling for dead cops. Deal with it.
No one here thinks all cops are evil. In fact, most are great.
(fyiw, I have friends and friends of friends who are state troopers)
Everyone here is against cop killing. Everyone gets they have a tough, dangerous job already.

What people ARE against is the incidences of police brutality, especially those ending in death. Those incidences exist. They shouldn't. And even cops oppose that--imagine.

What's in question is whether justice was served in the recent cases. Was it? Personally, I don't know--I wasn't there...though it is clear the prosecution made a mess of the case. Deliberately? That's a strong accusation I'm not prepared to stand on. It is a curious fuck up, however, and I understand the suspicions (and I'm not usually on the conspiracy side) even if I'm not prepared to try to make a case for them.

Is racism in play in these cases? I don't know that either.

At the same time, to deny that racism is very much alive in this country is just to willfully deny reality.




BamaD -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/27/2014 10:15:08 AM)


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Gotta watch your mouth...
http://www.texasgopvote.com/issues/restore-families/justice-james-black-cop-shoots-unarmed-white-veteran-orange-tx-over-racial-slur-0057061


So in your opinion, a black cop, cleared by a Grand Jury, is still guilty ? Gotta watch your source.

http://www.texasobserver.org/james-whitehead-robert-arnold-shades-gray-orange/


Actually, my point is that you can't have it both ways...grand juries clear cops most of the time. If you're going to rise up in protest over a white cop shooting a black man while trying to arrest him, then don't you think you should rise up in protest over an OFF duty black cop killing a while man for making a racial slur?


He was hardly making a racial slur, which you would have fucking seen if you had bothered to read my link.

Odd how you righties switch sides when it suits you. 6`3" 230lbs guy attacks cop and gets shot..... Sound familiar to you does it ?

If the white man was not making a racial slur...then the off duty black cop had even less reason for shooting the unarmed white man who attacked the off-duty black cop verbally, not physically.

Odd how you lefties love to compare apples to oranges.


Having read the case I failed to notice where the white man tried to take the cops weapon, or struck him. In fact he was shot while trying to leave the property which is all the store owner wanted and what the cop was allegedly trying to make him do till he got power mad and went way too far.
This isn't apples and oranges, it is apples and gravel.




Lucylastic -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/27/2014 10:23:23 AM)


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Obfuscation and mindless bullshit

The Daily Banter is all far left propaganda all the time

How about

http://abcnews.go.com/US/indiana-cops-tasered-man-accused-excessive-force-past/story?id=26051579

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/09/justice/indiana-excessive-force-lawsuit/

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/08/us/indiana-police-taser-window-smash/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2783809/Terrifying-moment-police-smashed-car-window-tasered-passenger-routine-traffic-stop-Indiana.html



Regarding your philly.com article... That, in a nation of 300 million people you found one article in a semi-respectable website about a drunk white guy who wasnt killed by the police when waving a gun around... Proves what, exactly.
How about it was the latest shooting I found while wandering the web...simple enough for you, it was a link I followed from another, however you cant prove its true, and Ive already mentioned Eric Frien, Jared Miller, and Cliven bundys cohorts, you mean you DONT want something more relevant or recent? well what do ya know ... even tho there were TWO separate incidences at the same bar
HAH





Only that you are as obsessed with hating and blaming 'the white devil' for Michael Brown committing suicide-by-cop as certain "community organizers" and certain wild-eyed preacher men are

No I hate disgusting malicious minded white men and women who dont see what the problem is

Sure, great idea... Incite rioting. Watch as mobs destroy small businesses, peoples' dreams and livelihoods, incite murder over literally nothing
DONT TREAD ON ME and WATER THE TREE OF LIBERTY WITH BLOOD and "dont retreat, reload" is so peaceful, rational and calm...oh and so so loving

Great idea, as long as you dont have to live here, you live in Canada or England or wherever
Of course there is a reason I dont live in the US. its guns and the shitty healthcare system.

The reality is, its you who hate black people enough that you laugh as they are taught these insane, racist lies
when your insane racist lies are in fact the truth, I dont laugh at all, only at you.

White people are hunting them down

Fucking lies and hateful, irresponsible politically motivated propaganda.
Your posts are full of them....




why dont you stick to the topic, and respond to some of the points you dismissed tooo readily yesterday
or are you going to cry that im being mean to you again?
awwwwww diddums




Aylee -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/27/2014 10:54:41 AM)


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The thread isnt about everyone here, so just "deal" with the actual topic, rather than your shoddy straw man construct of the topic

(Except for the part where desperate, small minded little trolls feel they have to make the thread about me, of course [;)])

Okay putz,lets deal with what the thread is purportedly about,the supposed "revenge" assassination of two of new yorks finest.
The first thing that jumps out,irregardless of this loons stated justification, is that there was no revenge involved.No member of Eric Gardners family went out and hunted down the officers involved in their loved ones death.No one in Michael Browns family hunted down Officer Wilson.
This wasn't "revenge" is was cold blooded murder by an obviously deranged psychopath....and to put any other veneer on it is an indulgence of fantasy driven by ideology.
Now I know that meets your criteria....but for the majority of us we can recognise the actions of one man as what they were.
Murder plain and simple,committed by an asshole who than took his own life.....not a movement ,not an orchestrated war on cops....just a lone gunmen with an all too accessible handgun.


Except the part where the killer tweeted he was killing the two cops in revenge for the deaths of Brown and Garner.

Why that does not count for you. . . I just do not understand.




Sanity -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/27/2014 11:04:39 AM)


FR

NYPD Officers Turn Their Back on (leftist race-baiting trash) de Blasio at Cop's Funeral

http://abcnews.go.com/US/nypd-officers-turn-back-de-blasio-cops-funeral/story?id=27851746

After the two cops were assassinated, the race-baiting haters tried to backpedal on all their radical anti-police rhetoric but its easy enough for the NYPD and everyone else to see right through their lies and their hypocrisy




Sanity -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/27/2014 11:24:36 AM)


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Okay putz,lets deal with what the thread is purportedly about,the supposed "revenge" assassination of two of new yorks finest.
The first thing that jumps out,irregardless of this loons stated justification, is that there was no revenge involved.No member of Eric Gardners family went out and hunted down the officers involved in their loved ones death.No one in Michael Browns family hunted down Officer Wilson.
This wasn't "revenge" is was cold blooded murder by an obviously deranged psychopath....and to put any other veneer on it is an indulgence of fantasy driven by ideology.
Now I know that meets your criteria....but for the majority of us we can recognise the actions of one man as what they were.
Murder plain and simple,committed by an asshole who than took his own life.....not a movement ,not an orchestrated war on cops....just a lone gunmen with an all too accessible handgun.


Except the part where the killer tweeted he was killing the two cops in revenge for the deaths of Brown and Garner.

Why that does not count for you. . . I just do not understand.


Why? The answer has to lie somewhere between ignorance, willful ignorance, lies, and stupidity




Aylee -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/27/2014 11:26:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


FR

NYPD Officers Turn Their Back on (leftist race-baiting trash) de Blasio at Cop's Funeral

http://abcnews.go.com/US/nypd-officers-turn-back-de-blasio-cops-funeral/story?id=27851746

After the two cops were assassinated, the race-baiting haters tried to backpedal on all their radical anti-police rhetoric but its easy enough for the NYPD and everyone else to see right through their lies and their hypocrisy


The plane was an even bigger statement, I think.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/feud-between-police-ny-mayor-takes-to-new-heights-pro-nypd-plane-has-anti-de-blasio-banner/article22215104/




kdsub -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/27/2014 12:52:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


FR

NYPD Officers Turn Their Back on (leftist race-baiting trash) de Blasio at Cop's Funeral

http://abcnews.go.com/US/nypd-officers-turn-back-de-blasio-cops-funeral/story?id=27851746

After the two cops were assassinated, the race-baiting haters tried to backpedal on all their radical anti-police rhetoric but its easy enough for the NYPD and everyone else to see right through their lies and their hypocrisy


Sanity I think the police were wrong in their response by turning their backs. The Mayor was just stating a fact... His mixed race son could very well have more encounters with police then white children. But... where the Mayor, I think, is wrong is in insinuating it is the police who are at fault. When African Americans are committing the vast majority of crimes in relation to their percentage of the population good police work is to zero in on who is committing the crime. That means blacks will be under greater suspicion then whites in certain situations .This is just good police work and a fact of crime statistics.

What the police commission and unions should have done was to encourage the Mayor to find and implement social solutions to reduce African American crime. If this is done blacks will not be under any greater suspicion then whites. The job of the police is to stop or punish criminals and protect the general public no matter what the color of their skin. It is the job of politicians and community leaders... and individual citizens to socially change the situation that is producing the crime among African Americans.

Facts cannot be ignored simply because of color and what is politically correct... it is NOT THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS FAULT that blacks are committing so much crime. It will take elected officials...social change... and the community itself to change these facts of crime.

Butch




Sanity -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/27/2014 1:06:45 PM)


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Sanity I think the police were wrong in their response by turning their backs. The Mayor was just stating a fact... His mixed race son could very well have more encounters with police then white children. But... where the Mayor, I think, is wrong is in insinuating it is the police who are at fault. When African Americans are committing the vast majority of crimes in relation to their percentage of the population good police work is to zero in on who is committing the crime. That means blacks will be under greater suspicion then whites in certain situations .This is just good police work and a fact of crime statistics.

What the police commission and unions should have done was to encourage the Mayor to find and implement social solutions to reduce African American crime. If this is done blacks will not be under any greater suspicion then whites. The job of the police is to stop or punish criminals and protect the general public no matter what the color of their skin. It is the job of politicians and community leaders... and individual citizens to socially change the situation that is producing the crime among African Americans.

Facts cannot be ignored simply because of color and what is politically correct... it is NOT THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS FAULT that blacks are committing so much crime. It will take elected officials...social change... and the community itself to change these facts of crime.

Butch



Fair enough Butch, you make some arguable points. Thank you for contributing to the thread




slvemike4u -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/27/2014 1:25:00 PM)

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The thread isnt about everyone here, so just "deal" with the actual topic, rather than your shoddy straw man construct of the topic

(Except for the part where desperate, small minded little trolls feel they have to make the thread about me, of course [;)])

Okay putz,lets deal with what the thread is purportedly about,the supposed "revenge" assassination of two of new yorks finest.
The first thing that jumps out,irregardless of this loons stated justification, is that there was no revenge involved.No member of Eric Gardners family went out and hunted down the officers involved in their loved ones death.No one in Michael Browns family hunted down Officer Wilson.
This wasn't "revenge" is was cold blooded murder by an obviously deranged psychopath....and to put any other veneer on it is an indulgence of fantasy driven by ideology.
Now I know that meets your criteria....but for the majority of us we can recognise the actions of one man as what they were.
Murder plain and simple,committed by an asshole who than took his own life.....not a movement ,not an orchestrated war on cops....just a lone gunmen with an all too accessible handgun.


Except the part where the killer tweeted he was killing the two cops in revenge for the deaths of Brown and Garner.

Why that does not count for you. . . I just do not understand.

Because the man was obviously deranged,if I decide to hunt down a random Muslim having tweeted that it is revenge for 9/11 does that make my tweet legitimate ?
Perhaps in my mind ,but not to any rational person.I'm just an asshole committing murder.




slvemike4u -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/27/2014 1:27:48 PM)


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Okay putz,lets deal with what the thread is purportedly about,the supposed "revenge" assassination of two of new yorks finest.
The first thing that jumps out,irregardless of this loons stated justification, is that there was no revenge involved.No member of Eric Gardners family went out and hunted down the officers involved in their loved ones death.No one in Michael Browns family hunted down Officer Wilson.
This wasn't "revenge" is was cold blooded murder by an obviously deranged psychopath....and to put any other veneer on it is an indulgence of fantasy driven by ideology.
Now I know that meets your criteria....but for the majority of us we can recognise the actions of one man as what they were.
Murder plain and simple,committed by an asshole who than took his own life.....not a movement ,not an orchestrated war on cops....just a lone gunmen with an all too accessible handgun.


Except the part where the killer tweeted he was killing the two cops in revenge for the deaths of Brown and Garner.

Why that does not count for you. . . I just do not understand.


Why? The answer has to lie somewhere between ignorance, willful ignorance, lies, and stupidity


Thats how you arrive at a position....not me .




slvemike4u -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/27/2014 1:31:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


FR

NYPD Officers Turn Their Back on (leftist race-baiting trash) de Blasio at Cop's Funeral

http://abcnews.go.com/US/nypd-officers-turn-back-de-blasio-cops-funeral/story?id=27851746

After the two cops were assassinated, the race-baiting haters tried to backpedal on all their radical anti-police rhetoric but its easy enough for the NYPD and everyone else to see right through their lies and their hypocrisy


Sanity I think the police were wrong in their response by turning their backs. The Mayor was just stating a fact... His mixed race son could very well have more encounters with police then white children. But... where the Mayor, I think, is wrong is in insinuating it is the police who are at fault. When African Americans are committing the vast majority of crimes in relation to their percentage of the population good police work is to zero in on who is committing the crime. That means blacks will be under greater suspicion then whites in certain situations .This is just good police work and a fact of crime statistics.

What the police commission and unions should have done was to encourage the Mayor to find and implement social solutions to reduce African American crime. If this is done blacks will not be under any greater suspicion then whites. The job of the police is to stop or punish criminals and protect the general public no matter what the color of their skin. It is the job of politicians and community leaders... and individual citizens to socially change the situation that is producing the crime among African Americans.

Facts cannot be ignored simply because of color and what is politically correct... it is NOT THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS FAULT that blacks are committing so much crime. It will take elected officials...social change... and the community itself to change these facts of crime.

Butch


If you are going to delve onto the explanations/reasons for black crime than you better start by addressing the socio-economic issues of far too many black families.
If you don't want to take a hard look at that than you are just spinning your wheels.




Aylee -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/27/2014 1:35:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


The thread isnt about everyone here, so just "deal" with the actual topic, rather than your shoddy straw man construct of the topic

(Except for the part where desperate, small minded little trolls feel they have to make the thread about me, of course [;)])

Okay putz,lets deal with what the thread is purportedly about,the supposed "revenge" assassination of two of new yorks finest.
The first thing that jumps out,irregardless of this loons stated justification, is that there was no revenge involved.No member of Eric Gardners family went out and hunted down the officers involved in their loved ones death.No one in Michael Browns family hunted down Officer Wilson.
This wasn't "revenge" is was cold blooded murder by an obviously deranged psychopath....and to put any other veneer on it is an indulgence of fantasy driven by ideology.
Now I know that meets your criteria....but for the majority of us we can recognise the actions of one man as what they were.
Murder plain and simple,committed by an asshole who than took his own life.....not a movement ,not an orchestrated war on cops....just a lone gunmen with an all too accessible handgun.


Except the part where the killer tweeted he was killing the two cops in revenge for the deaths of Brown and Garner.

Why that does not count for you. . . I just do not understand.

Because the man was obviously deranged,if I decide to hunt down a random Muslim having tweeted that it is revenge for 9/11 does that make my tweet legitimate ?
Perhaps in my mind ,but not to any rational person.I'm just an asshole committing murder.


If you state you are hunting down a Muslim to kill in revenge for 9/11, and you do, why should I not believe that you were taking revenge?

Why do actions that are "taking revenge" in your mind NOT constitute taking revenge?




slvemike4u -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/27/2014 1:46:18 PM)

Sanity has tried,as have others( but sanity is the head cheerleader,just ask him,he'll tell ya [:)]) to paint this as just the first step in an Al Sharpton led war on cops....this was nothing more than the actions of one obviously deranged gunman in possession of one of the many easily obtained handguns in this country.
This is simple math...so many citizens,a certain percentage of them with mental issues,mix in so many easily obtained handguns....shake,stir.....allow to simmer and somebody somewhere is going to get shot
This is nothing more than the price we pay for absolute fealty to the Second Amendment .....gun violence.
Luckily it's not quite yet the revolution Sanity seems to see coming.




kdsub -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/27/2014 1:46:51 PM)

I agree Mike...but blaming the police for the social problems in America is dead wrong and counter productive... and that is what many African Americans are doing...and... Many whites are ignoring the social problems that are at least contributing to the hopelessness and frustration in African American communities that is a source of crime and lawlessness.

NO ONE is talking solutions... Blacks are ignoring their part in the problem and white are denying there IS a problem. On top of this the accusations of racism are tainting everything when I believe racism in the present is not a valid reason...but the racism of the past is. Otherwise the social and economic situation of many, not all, African Americans today is directly attributed to racism of the past. Past racism has affected the general wealth and education of today and it will take time and understanding to change this.

Butch




slvemike4u -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/27/2014 1:56:56 PM)

Aylee I'm not arguing what was in this loons head,I'm saying it's not legitimate,it's just his rationalization for committing cold blooded murder.
How much weight or stock would you choose to invest in the utterances of a madman ?




BitYakin -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/27/2014 2:02:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


The thread isnt about everyone here, so just "deal" with the actual topic, rather than your shoddy straw man construct of the topic

(Except for the part where desperate, small minded little trolls feel they have to make the thread about me, of course [;)])

Okay putz,lets deal with what the thread is purportedly about,the supposed "revenge" assassination of two of new yorks finest.
The first thing that jumps out,irregardless of this loons stated justification, is that there was no revenge involved.No member of Eric Gardners family went out and hunted down the officers involved in their loved ones death.No one in Michael Browns family hunted down Officer Wilson.
This wasn't "revenge" is was cold blooded murder by an obviously deranged psychopath....and to put any other veneer on it is an indulgence of fantasy driven by ideology.
Now I know that meets your criteria....but for the majority of us we can recognise the actions of one man as what they were.
Murder plain and simple,committed by an asshole who than took his own life.....not a movement ,not an orchestrated war on cops....just a lone gunmen with an all too accessible handgun.


Except the part where the killer tweeted he was killing the two cops in revenge for the deaths of Brown and Garner.

Why that does not count for you. . . I just do not understand.

Because the man was obviously deranged,if I decide to hunt down a random Muslim having tweeted that it is revenge for 9/11 does that make my tweet legitimate ?
Perhaps in my mind ,but not to any rational person.I'm just an asshole committing murder.


by that logic no one ever commits a violent act out of revenge, they are ALL just deranged individuals...

why should the FACT that someone says THIS IS WHY I AM DOING THIS mean anything ever by that logic?

is that what you are saying, there are NO REVENGE KILLINGS? cause I can use that EXACT SAME ARGUMENT to explain any killing you define as revenge.




slvemike4u -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/27/2014 2:03:49 PM)


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I agree Mike...but blaming the police for the social problems in America is dead wrong and counter productive... and that is what many African Americans are doing...and... Many whites are ignoring the social problems that are at least contributing to the hopelessness and frustration in African American communities that is a source of crime and lawlessness.

NO ONE is talking solutions... Blacks are ignoring their part in the problem and white are denying there IS a problem. On top of this the accusations of racism are tainting everything when I believe racism in the present is not a valid reason...but the racism of the past is. Otherwise the social and economic situation of many, not all, African Americans today is directly attributed to racism of the past. Past racism has affected the general wealth and education of today and it will take time and understanding to change this.

Butch

It's not about blaming the police ,it's about the fact that too many communities see them as an occupying force.This gets exacerbated when the police embrace the "broken windows"theory of policing in those communities.
When any community feels "over-policed"resentments are bound to run high ,leading to confrontations and all too often dead african americans under questionable circumstances.




kdsub -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/27/2014 2:08:03 PM)

Yes is is a vicious circle is it not.. One fact just leads to another ... crime among blacks is astronomical ...and attempts to control it by police who are in increasingly violent altercations with blacks leads to the feeling among blacks that they are being singled out.

Now who do you think can break this cycle? It sure as hell is not the police. They are reacting to crime. Only a change in society will break the cycle...And that is not the job of the police.

Butch




Aylee -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/27/2014 2:10:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Sanity has tried,as have others( but sanity is the head cheerleader,just ask him,he'll tell ya [:)]) to paint this as just the first step in an Al Sharpton led war on cops....this was nothing more than the actions of one obviously deranged gunman in possession of one of the many easily obtained handguns in this country.
This is simple math...so many citizens,a certain percentage of them with mental issues,mix in so many easily obtained handguns....shake,stir.....allow to simmer and somebody somewhere is going to get shot
This is nothing more than the price we pay for absolute fealty to the Second Amendment .....gun violence.
Luckily it's not quite yet the revolution Sanity seems to see coming.


I have not called it a war on anything. I have only maintained that the killings WERE "revenge killings" as per the man that committed them.

As far as fealty to the second amendment goes, just how MANY gun laws did the man commit before killing the two cops?




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