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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Not apples and oranges?

Darren Wilson was on duty...Robert Arnold was not.

Darren Wilson was in uniform and easily identified...Robert Arnold was not.

According to witnesses, Wilson identified himself as police. According to SOME, Arnold did AND according to some, he did not.

Wilson was PHYSICALLY assaulted...Arnold was verbally assaulted.

According to autopsy reports, Brown was shot while coming at the officer. According to autopsy reports, Whitehead was shot while sitting down.

According to witnesses, uniformed police were on their way in Texas. In Missouri, a uniformed policeman was already there.

Whitehead was a war hero being treated with drugs for PTSD but not being monitored. Brown was a thug with a rap sheet not being treated for anything.

Arnold was the highest ranking black officer in the Orange police department with many more years experience than Wilson, the white cop in Missouri.

Now then, much of that came out of your report. You don't see any differences there? Yes, you are to the left of me. As for me being a "good ole boy", well yes, if you mean I can stand up and say a white cop's killing of a black man can't be justified as in the case of Eric Garner. Can you do the same about a black cop killing a white man when there is no justification other than those given out by others?

Did you even read the link. Somehow I doubt it.

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“Nigga, I’ll bust you in the fucking face,” Whitehead said, stepping closer with his hands balled into fists at his side. According to some witness statements, Arnold identified himself as a police officer, but Whitehead’s temper was unchanged. “What are you gonna do, fucking arrest me or something?” he yelled. “Get away from me, nigger.”

http://www.texasobserver.org/james-whitehead-robert-arnold-shades-gray-orange/

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

What I'm asking is if the shooting of the girlfriend was step one in his "revenge" plot or if,in what is far more likely scenario,he shot the girlfriend in anger(didn't he apologise to the lady's mother) and than having done that figured what the hell it's over for me anyway let me go kill some cops
He figured she was dead and he was done.....and only than did it occur to him that he had nothing to lose so why not put wings on cops

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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So when he shot his on and off again girlfriend,that was just step one in his "revenge" plot ?

Ya know, I have not read much about his relationship, but it could have been. If it was on again/off again because he was abusive and she had left him again he may have shot her out of revenge. Leaving an abuser is actually very dangerous for a woman. It is one of the reasons that shelters and such hide their locations and there is so much secrecy about who is in at any time.

IIRC domestic violence murders are the most likely way for a woman to be murdered.

What I'm asking is if the shooting of the girlfriend was step one in his "revenge" plot or if,in what is far more likely scenario,he shot the girlfriend in anger(didn't he apologise to the lady's mother) and than having done that figured what the hell it's over for me anyway let me go kill some cops
He figured she was dead and he was done.....and only than did it occur to him that he had nothing to lose so why not put wings on cops

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

So when he shot his on and off again girlfriend,that was just step one in his "revenge" plot ?

Ya know, I have not read much about his relationship, but it could have been. If it was on again/off again because he was abusive and she had left him again he may have shot her out of revenge. Leaving an abuser is actually very dangerous for a woman. It is one of the reasons that shelters and such hide their locations and there is so much secrecy about who is in at any time.

IIRC domestic violence murders are the most likely way for a woman to be murdered.

What I'm asking is if the shooting of the girlfriend was step one in his "revenge" plot or if,in what is far more likely scenario,he shot the girlfriend in anger(didn't he apologise to the lady's mother) and than having done that figured what the hell it's over for me anyway let me go kill some cops
He figured she was dead and he was done.....and only than did it occur to him that he had nothing to lose so why not put wings on cops

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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Bama, you didnt just touch a troll nerve there

I would say you ripped one out and ran it through a meat grinder

Lucy, it was your brother mike who brought up the girlfriend angle

Go bitch bark and yap at him for a while

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Cos he cant stand being called on his bullshit.
Lmao, i noticed you cut it out......lol
chicken shit

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he wants information he can find it himself

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The information about the girlfriend is out there I found it

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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he wants information he can find it himself

and

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The information about the girlfriend is out there I found it

Just a side bar...I agree with the above. If I make a statement that is easily backed up by simple searches I don't feel it is incumbent on me to present links.

Now if the information i am presenting is hard to find then yes I understand a request for a link. In the Sidney thread the information on my post was there and not hard to find and someone asking me for links is just too lazy to find it themselves. Now they can interrupt the information as they please when they find it...but if they want to argue it is up to them to do their own research.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

If the white man was not making a racial slur...then the off duty black cop had even less reason for shooting the unarmed white man who attacked the off-duty black cop verbally, not physically.

Odd how you lefties love to compare apples to oranges.

I am probably left of you but that doesnt make me a leftie. Thats the meme you arsoles have though, anyone who doesnt agree with you good old boys, and girls come to that, MUST be a left wing.

Indeed he wasnt making a racial slur, it was an outright verbal assault, full of racist slurs, in front of the cops child. The dead guy was also making threats to kill the cop.

Hardly apples and oranges or the other bollocks about apples and gravel spewed by Bama.

Your post shows you either didnt read, failed to comprehend, or willfully ignored what was written in the l gave you.

Not apples and oranges?

Darren Wilson was on duty...Robert Arnold was not.

Darren Wilson was in uniform and easily identified...Robert Arnold was not.

According to witnesses, Wilson identified himself as police. According to SOME, Arnold did AND according to some, he did not.

Wilson was PHYSICALLY assaulted...Arnold was verbally assaulted.

According to autopsy reports, Brown was shot while coming at the officer. According to autopsy reports, Whitehead was shot while sitting down.

According to witnesses, uniformed police were on their way in Texas. In Missouri, a uniformed policeman was already there.

Whitehead was a war hero being treated with drugs for PTSD but not being monitored. Brown was a thug with a rap sheet not being treated for anything.

Arnold was the highest ranking black officer in the Orange police department with many more years experience than Wilson, the white cop in Missouri.

Now then, much of that came out of your report. You don't see any differences there? Yes, you are to the left of me. As for me being a "good ole boy", well yes, if you mean I can stand up and say a white cop's killing of a black man can't be justified as in the case of Eric Garner. Can you do the same about a black cop killing a white man when there is no justification other than those given out by others?

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I really did not mean it as a direct criticism of Bama that is why i said a side bar. But did he search for the link to answer his question before asking for one? My comment was not meant for a specific poster... Lucy asks for links all the time that are easily found... so have I. Maybe we should all change our way of arguing... Otherwise argue from knowledge and attempt to find an answer to a question before we ask it... Is this not the mark of a good debater?

Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I really did not mean it as a direct criticism of Bama that is why i said a side bar. But did he search for the link to answer his question before asking for one? My comment was not meant for a specific poster... Lucy asks for links all the time that are easily found... so have I. Maybe we should all change our way of arguing... Otherwise argue from knowledge and attempt to find an answer to a question before we ask it... Is this not the mark of a good debater?

Butch

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

I told you I did. Let's not forget that...from your report...Whitehead also called Arnold a " coon". And...so what? Arnold was a trained police officer, dealing with a man who was operating under the influence of drugs. No matter how hateful the words, they are still a verbal assault. Not a physical one. His words did not put the officer's life in danger.

Your post seems to be justifying this white mans death by a black, off duty cop who was well aware that other...uniformed...officers were on the way over WORDS?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

The only thing the store manager asked the police to make Whitehead leave, that is what he was trying to do when he was shot.