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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

Let's say I am batshit crazy (quit laughing). Got evil in my heart. Hatred for everything and everyone. Like a disease eating away at my very soul.

I let these feelings fester. The demons rage within me, but I resist. Finally they overtake me, and I go into a very dark place.

Sitting watching the news, rocking back and forth, I see 2 stories. One about cops killing redheads for no reason, one about someone shooting up a bar. I have to go kill someone, because it is the only way I will find peace. Everyone will know my name if I put all over the place that I am doing this for the dead redheads and against the cops. And then the demons will be gone. I will be famous.

That aint revenge. That is batshit crazy that has simmered for a long ass time. And the sad thing is, there are other batshit crazy folks who will probably think I am so groovy, they will do something similar.

And the beat goes on.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

What I'm asking is if the shooting of the girlfriend was step one in his "revenge" plot or if,in what is far more likely scenario,he shot the girlfriend in anger(didn't he apologise to the lady's mother) and than having done that figured what the hell it's over for me anyway let me go kill some cops
He figured she was dead and he was done.....and only than did it occur to him that he had nothing to lose so why not put wings on cops

Not exactly the tune you would be singing if Tea Party people (say, Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz) had agitated their base over a lie to the point there were riots, arson, blocked hospitals and freeways, and dead policemen

"Oh, he shot his girl first, that made it okey dokey for the Teas. Not a thing, man."

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Cos he cant stand being called on his bullshit.
Lmao, i noticed you cut it out......lol
chicken shit

nooo because you have dropped to the level of MMnotterail and thompsonX no substance, no discussion, no debate, just grade school level name calling

at least DK tries to respond to a post, even if his logic is about as screwed up as yours

mike brought up the girlfriend angle, wanted to know how that fit into the whole revenge thing...

bama's question wasn't anything close to what you made it out to be, it was why, if it was a spontantious act, after shooting her, did he not kill cops locally but use a SMIDGE of PLANNING and went to NYC to kill cops

the point being, you PLOT revenge, while deranged lunatics just go on SPONTANIOUS killing sprees

go ahead lucy call me stupid, but if I am stupid then what does that say about YOU, since I UNDERSTOOD what he was asking and YOU DID NOT!

MODS I declare your feisty section experiment a FAILURE, it has become a place where certain people no longer feel the need to DISCUSS ANYTHING they just come to ATTACK POSTERS and contribute ZERO to the conversation

unless the goal was to eliminate discussion and debate and encourage outright personal attacks, then its a COMPLETE SUCCESS

I pointed this out in the thread about incest where a couple people BEGGED for it to be move to the "feisty section" so they could abandon discussion and use it as an excuse to resort to personal attacks

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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he wants information he can find it himself

and

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The information about the girlfriend is out there I found it

Just a side bar...I agree with the above. If I make a statement that is easily backed up by simple searches I don't feel it is incumbent on me to present links.

Now if the information i am presenting is hard to find then yes I understand a request for a link. In the Sidney thread the information on my post was there and not hard to find and someone asking me for links is just too lazy to find it themselves. Now they can interrupt the information as they please when they find it...but if they want to argue it is up to them to do their own research.

Butch

well except for the part where he wasn't asking for info about the girlfriend, he was asking how the going to another city aspect of it fit into the deranged lunatic version mike has been pushing

maybe there is a link to that info? if not, its a point worthy of discussion, isn't it?

at the very least those saying its NOT revenge should be able to explain this aspect of it

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I really did not mean it as a direct criticism of Bama that is why i said a side bar. But did he search for the link to answer his question before asking for one? My comment was not meant for a specific poster... Lucy asks for links all the time that are easily found... so have I. Maybe we should all change our way of arguing... Otherwise argue from knowledge and attempt to find an answer to a question before we ask it... Is this not the mark of a good debater?

Butch

I did not take your statement as a criticism of me.
I already knew that the GF was murdered in MD, the cops there found the plan to go to NY to kill cops, thought that was common knowledge.
I try to follow the lawyers rule of never ask a question you don't know the answer too.

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Cos he cant stand being called on his bullshit.
Lmao, i noticed you cut it out......lol
chicken shit

nooo because you have dropped to the level of MMnotterail and thompsonX no substance, no discussion, no debate, just grade school level name calling

at least DK tries to respond to a post, even if his logic is about as screwed up as yours

mike brought up the girlfriend angle, wanted to know how that fit into the whole revenge thing...

bama's question wasn't anything close to what you made it out to be, it was why, if it was a spontantious act, after shooting her, did he not kill cops locally but use a SMIDGE of PLANNING and went to NYC to kill cops

the point being, you PLOT revenge, while deranged lunatics just go on SPONTANIOUS killing sprees

go ahead lucy call me stupid, but if I am stupid then what does that say about YOU, since I UNDERSTOOD what he was asking and YOU DID NOT!

MODS I declare your feisty section experiment a FAILURE, it has become a place where certain people no longer feel the need to DISCUSS ANYTHING they just come to ATTACK POSTERS and contribute ZERO to the conversation

unless the goal was to eliminate discussion and debate and encourage outright personal attacks, then its a COMPLETE SUCCESS

I pointed this out in the thread about incest where a couple people BEGGED for it to be move to the "feisty section" so they could abandon discussion and use it as an excuse to resort to personal attacks

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Al Sharpton Leads March in DC as NYC Protesters Chant: "What Do We Want? Dead Cops!"

The chant is appalling, I agree.

But what's Sharpton's connection to it, especially if he was 200 miles away?

As are so many others, Sharpton is working to foment hate and division.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/ferguson-al-sharpton-react-grand-jury-decision-113157.html

What does he get out of preaching that police are evil, that the system is out to get blacks, that "the fight is not over.”

Brown was not an innocent man, according to the video we have seen, according to the grand jury

Why does Sharpton preach fighting the police, why wouldnt we expect this sort of thing when he and his brethren do

In many ways its similar to ISIS calling for lone wolf attacks and then blaming mental illness when such attacks begin to occur rather than focus on the hateful ideology being preached from the top

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I really did not mean it as a direct criticism of Bama that is why i said a side bar. But did he search for the link to answer his question before asking for one? My comment was not meant for a specific poster... Lucy asks for links all the time that are easily found... so have I. Maybe we should all change our way of arguing... Otherwise argue from knowledge and attempt to find an answer to a question before we ask it... Is this not the mark of a good debater?

Butch

I did not take your statement as a criticism of me.
I already knew that the GF was murdered in MD, the cops there found the plan to go to NY to kill cops, thought that was common knowledge.
I try to follow the lawyers rule of never ask a question you don't know the answer too.

What a fucking putz......how many people have to point out to you that he DIDN"T murder his girlfriend ?



edited to add: Yatkin,there aint nothing unraveling here....I've got no problem with my position nor with my ability to convince a few internet assholes of it's viabilty.

(how's that for name calling....whiner)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Mike said

Perhaps he felt no animus towards those particular boy s in blue,certainly it was a New York Cop that strangles Eric Gardner to death.

I pointed out

This means he was getting revenge for the Gardner.
PS
If you knew as much as you want us to believe you would know that Gardner was not strangled, he had a heart attack brought on by the unnecessary struggle.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Mike said

Perhaps he felt no animus towards those particular boy s in blue,certainly it was a New York Cop that strangles Eric Gardner to death.

I pointed out

This means he was getting revenge for the Gardner.
PS
If you knew as much as you want us to believe you would know that Gardner was not strangled, he had a heart attack brought on by the unnecessary struggle.

It's like talking to children: Do you think he was struggling cause he couldn't draw a breath of air,hence the repeated cries of "I can't breath"
And another little thing...you and your band of merry idiots keep harping on the fact that he made specific threats before carrying out his murders...I never denied any of that,I would be an idiot and an ass( in other words like sanith,heretic and you) to make those claims.
All I am questioning is how much weight to attach to those statements made at that time ie:after shooting his girlfriend and perhaps reaching the conclusion ,as Bama did,that he had in fact murdered her.
You and your ilk want to play up that angle cause it suits your ideological outlook I'm just pointing out that this was an act of murder.....I do not wish to elevate it by attaching a cause to it.
Seems you guys prefer to make out this man has having made a political statement in furtherance of some specific goal.....I prefer not to give him that dubious stature...he's just murdering scum who was able to buy a handgun(everyone ignores that aspect,rather ,ideologically convenient over and over again)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Mike said

Perhaps he felt no animus towards those particular boy s in blue,certainly it was a New York Cop that strangles Eric Gardner to death.

I pointed out

This means he was getting revenge for the Gardner.
PS
If you knew as much as you want us to believe you would know that Gardner was not strangled, he had a heart attack brought on by the unnecessary struggle.

It's like talking to children: Do you think he was struggling cause he couldn't draw a breath of air,hence the repeated cries of "I can't breath"
And another little thing...you and your band of merry idiots keep harping on the fact that he made specific threats before carrying out his murders...I never denied any of that,I would be an idiot and an ass( in other words like sanith,heretic and you) to make those claims.
All I am questioning is how much weight to attach to those statements made at that time ie:after shooting his girlfriend and perhaps reaching the conclusion ,as Bama did,that he had in fact murdered her.
You and your ilk want to play up that angle cause it suits your ideological outlook I'm just pointing out that this was an act of murder.....I do not wish to elevate it by attaching a cause to it.
Seems you guys prefer to make out this man has having made a political statement in furtherance of some specific goal.....I prefer not to give him that dubious stature...he's just murdering scum who was able to buy a handgun(everyone ignores that aspect,rather ,ideologically convenient over and over again)

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Mike said

Perhaps he felt no animus towards those particular boy s in blue,certainly it was a New York Cop that strangles Eric Gardner to death.

I pointed out

This means he was getting revenge for the Gardner.
PS
If you knew as much as you want us to believe you would know that Gardner was not strangled, he had a heart attack brought on by the unnecessary struggle.

It's like talking to children: Do you think he was struggling cause he couldn't draw a breath of air,hence the repeated cries of "I can't breath"
And another little thing...you and your band of merry idiots keep harping on the fact that he made specific threats before carrying out his murders...I never denied any of that,I would be an idiot and an ass( in other words like sanith,heretic and you) to make those claims.
All I am questioning is how much weight to attach to those statements made at that time ie:after shooting his girlfriend and perhaps reaching the conclusion ,as Bama did,that he had in fact murdered her.
You and your ilk want to play up that angle cause it suits your ideological outlook I'm just pointing out that this was an act of murder.....I do not wish to elevate it by attaching a cause to it.
Seems you guys prefer to make out this man has having made a political statement in furtherance of some specific goal.....I prefer not to give him that dubious stature...he's just murdering scum who was able to buy a handgun(everyone ignores that aspect,rather ,ideologically convenient over and over again)

Sure you prefer it...it doesn't quite fit the bill of all the people against Brown or Garner's death being peaceful, does it? Kind of like those protesters chanting "what so we want?...dead cops". They don't fit the " all is peaceful in protest land" picture either.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Mike said

Perhaps he felt no animus towards those particular boy s in blue,certainly it was a New York Cop that strangles Eric Gardner to death.

I pointed out

This means he was getting revenge for the Gardner.
PS
If you knew as much as you want us to believe you would know that Gardner was not strangled, he had a heart attack brought on by the unnecessary struggle.

It's like talking to children: Do you think he was struggling cause he couldn't draw a breath of air,hence the repeated cries of "I can't breath"
And another little thing...you and your band of merry idiots keep harping on the fact that he made specific threats before carrying out his murders...I never denied any of that,I would be an idiot and an ass( in other words like sanith,heretic and you) to make those claims.
All I am questioning is how much weight to attach to those statements made at that time ie:after shooting his girlfriend and perhaps reaching the conclusion ,as Bama did,that he had in fact murdered her.
You and your ilk want to play up that angle cause it suits your ideological outlook I'm just pointing out that this was an act of murder.....I do not wish to elevate it by attaching a cause to it.
Seems you guys prefer to make out this man has having made a political statement in furtherance of some specific goal.....I prefer not to give him that dubious stature...he's just murdering scum who was able to buy a handgun(everyone ignores that aspect,rather ,ideologically convenient over and over again)

Lets see, he travels from MD to NY to carry out a threat he made to get revenge over Gardner. But of course there is no reason to think he was getting revenge for Gardner in spite of the fact that he went that far out of his way to kill NY cops.
Yes I know the struggle was unnecessary that is why I used the phrase "unnecessary struggle"
The coroner said there was no damage to the windpipe etc, that it was a heart attack brought on, not by strangulation but by exertion from the struggle.
None of us agreed with the grand jury ruling.
You have the agenda ignoring reality, trying to whitewash people who inspired these killings, you are trying to make it about guns, and that just won't fly.
Early reports said the GF died.

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ORIGINAL: LiveSpark

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Al Sharpton Leads March in DC as NYC Protesters Chant: "What Do We Want? Dead Cops!"

The chant is appalling, I agree.

But what's Sharpton's connection to it, especially if he was 200 miles away?

As are so many others, Sharpton is working to foment hate and division.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/ferguson-al-sharpton-react-grand-jury-decision-113157.html

What does he get out of preaching that police are evil, that the system is out to get blacks, that "the fight is not over.”

Brown was not an innocent man, according to the video we have seen, according to the grand jury

Why does Sharpton preach fighting the police, why wouldnt we expect this sort of thing when he and his brethren do

In many ways its similar to ISIS calling for lone wolf attacks and then blaming mental illness when such attacks begin to occur rather than focus on the hateful ideology being preached from the top

Oh good grief, prepare for the end of the world, Sanity and I agree. Sharpton has always and always will work to whip blacks up into a frenzy, thus continuing the hatred some blacks feel towards the police. He is imo a dangerous man who doesn't want peace between the police and blacks.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Mike said

Perhaps he felt no animus towards those particular boy s in blue,certainly it was a New York Cop that strangles Eric Gardner to death.

I pointed out

This means he was getting revenge for the Gardner.
PS
If you knew as much as you want us to believe you would know that Gardner was not strangled, he had a heart attack brought on by the unnecessary struggle.

It's like talking to children: Do you think he was struggling cause he couldn't draw a breath of air,hence the repeated cries of "I can't breath"
And another little thing...you and your band of merry idiots keep harping on the fact that he made specific threats before carrying out his murders...I never denied any of that,I would be an idiot and an ass( in other words like sanith,heretic and you) to make those claims.
All I am questioning is how much weight to attach to those statements made at that time ie:after shooting his girlfriend and perhaps reaching the conclusion ,as Bama did,that he had in fact murdered her.
You and your ilk want to play up that angle cause it suits your ideological outlook I'm just pointing out that this was an act of murder.....I do not wish to elevate it by attaching a cause to it.
Seems you guys prefer to make out this man has having made a political statement in furtherance of some specific goal.....I prefer not to give him that dubious stature...he's just murdering scum who was able to buy a handgun(everyone ignores that aspect,rather ,ideologically convenient over and over again)

Sure you prefer it...it doesn't quite fit the bill of all the people against Brown or Garner's death being peaceful, does it? Kind of like those protesters chanting "what so we want?...dead cops". They don't fit the " all is peaceful in protest land" picture either.

And you prefer not to discuss the fact that this was at it's basest another murder committed by another armed felon....hat doesn't fir your narrative of how guns keep us safer,does it ?

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Mike said

Perhaps he felt no animus towards those particular boy s in blue,certainly it was a New York Cop that strangles Eric Gardner to death.

I pointed out

This means he was getting revenge for the Gardner.
PS
If you knew as much as you want us to believe you would know that Gardner was not strangled, he had a heart attack brought on by the unnecessary struggle.

It's like talking to children: Do you think he was struggling cause he couldn't draw a breath of air,hence the repeated cries of "I can't breath"
And another little thing...you and your band of merry idiots keep harping on the fact that he made specific threats before carrying out his murders...I never denied any of that,I would be an idiot and an ass( in other words like sanith,heretic and you) to make those claims.
All I am questioning is how much weight to attach to those statements made at that time ie:after shooting his girlfriend and perhaps reaching the conclusion ,as Bama did,that he had in fact murdered her.
You and your ilk want to play up that angle cause it suits your ideological outlook I'm just pointing out that this was an act of murder.....I do not wish to elevate it by attaching a cause to it.
Seems you guys prefer to make out this man has having made a political statement in furtherance of some specific goal.....I prefer not to give him that dubious stature...he's just murdering scum who was able to buy a handgun(everyone ignores that aspect,rather ,ideologically convenient over and over again)

Sure you prefer it...it doesn't quite fit the bill of all the people against Brown or Garner's death being peaceful, does it? Kind of like those protesters chanting "what so we want?...dead cops". They don't fit the " all is peaceful in protest land" picture either.

And you prefer not to discuss the fact that this was at it's basest another murder committed by another armed felon....hat doesn't fir your narrative of how guns keep us safer,does it ?

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Cos he cant stand being called on his bullshit.
Lmao, i noticed you cut it out......lol
chicken shit

nooo because you have dropped to the level of MMnotterail and thompsonX no substance, no discussion, no debate, just grade school level name calling

at least DK tries to respond to a post, even if his logic is about as screwed up as yours

mike brought up the girlfriend angle, wanted to know how that fit into the whole revenge thing...

bama's question wasn't anything close to what you made it out to be, it was why, if it was a spontantious act, after shooting her, did he not kill cops locally but use a SMIDGE of PLANNING and went to NYC to kill cops

the point being, you PLOT revenge, while deranged lunatics just go on SPONTANIOUS killing sprees

go ahead lucy call me stupid, but if I am stupid then what does that say about YOU, since I UNDERSTOOD what he was asking and YOU DID NOT!

MODS I declare your feisty section experiment a FAILURE, it has become a place where certain people no longer feel the need to DISCUSS ANYTHING they just come to ATTACK POSTERS and contribute ZERO to the conversation

unless the goal was to eliminate discussion and debate and encourage outright personal attacks, then its a COMPLETE SUCCESS

I pointed this out in the thread about incest where a couple people BEGGED for it to be move to the "feisty section" so they could abandon discussion and use it as an excuse to resort to personal attacks

oh dear, you really must like self humiliation...nice job.
you are not worth the full blown splendour that was nearly my response,
Ive lived in this world far to long to fall for your line of dribble. You dont have the ability to insult me little one.
You dont have the ability to shut me up, or refute my facts. You dont have much ability to do anything but humiliate yourself.
THE WOMAN IS NOT DEAD
She was SHOT she lived, she is in critical condition but expected to survive.
The day I give a rats arse what you , bama and your ilk think of my attitude is the day I give up on life.
Ive never wished this on anyone Ever, http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4762833 not even in a joke.


yet im who you pick up to "tell off", go blow it out your ass.