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Sanity -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/22/2014 7:55:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Mass murders and guns are often linked together, i.e. it is a pattern. It is one reason we sought to have federal background checks for anyone seeking to purchase a firearm. The weapon they choose is immaterial. Driver ploughs into crowd in France's second 'Allahu Akbar' attack

Sanity -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/22/2014 8:04:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko thishereboi, where are the links Lucy requested? I too am curious about the comments you are referring to. Does anyone also notice there have been three assassination attempts of this President by different races/genders? It's all very strange. He is now also being blamed for this incident in NY. The media has been strange lately. They seem to focus on very "hot button" topics like racial pandering but to what end? "Mr Obama"? He is the President, LOL. Shouldn't we be more concerned with how the economy and schools are doing? I will admit a backlash was a part of my worry. Like I said I like living in the US. I'm wondering for how much longer I will permanently reside here though as I am more open than ever to international relocation including my home in the Caribbean. Again, "Reverend" Sharpton had rioters chanting NO JUSTICE NO PEACE What was it, a week ago? What does "no peace" mean exactly In another of his organizations' marches the crowd was chanting WHAT DO WE WANT / DEAD COPS I have posted links to the video. Did you see national coverage of this? Condemnation?

Lucylastic -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/22/2014 8:06:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko thishereboi, where are the links Lucy requested? I too am curious about the comments you are referring to. Does anyone also notice there have been three assassination attempts of this President by different races/genders? It's all very strange. He is now also being blamed for this incident in NY. The media has been strange lately. They seem to focus on very "hot button" topics like racial pandering but to what end? "Mr Obama"? He is the President, LOL. Shouldn't we be more concerned with how the economy and schools are doing? I will admit a backlash was a part of my worry. Like I said I like living in the US. I'm wondering for how much longer I will permanently reside here though as I am more open than ever to international relocation including my home in the Caribbean. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_threats_against_Barack_Obama just a few of them... back in 2009 .....Since Mr Obama took office, the rate of threats against the president has increased 400 per cent from the 3,000 a year or so under President George W. Bush, according to Ronald Kessler, author of In the President's Secret Service. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/5967942/Barack-Obama-faces-30-death-threats-a-day-stretching-US-Secret-Service.html In October of this year, the Wa PO had this article http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-new-dynamics-of-protecting-a-president-most-threats-against-obama-issued-online/2014/10/07/a525ef6c-4b11-11e4-891d-713f052086a0_story.html <snip>According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the number of anti-government militia groups in the United States — which reached 858 during the Clinton administration — had dipped to a low point of 131 in 2007 under Bush. But it rose to 1,096 last year, a nearly tenfold increase since Obama took office.</snip> <snip>Since Obama took office, at least 65 people have been indicted on charges of threatening to harm him. In January, Daniel L. Temple, who had tweeted “im coming to kill you” and “so I gotta kill barack obama first,” was sentenced to 16 months in prison after pleading guilty. Nicholas Savino was sentenced in March to a year in prison for posting this on the White House Web site in August 2013: “President Obama the Anti-Christ, As a result of breaking the constitution you will stand down or be shot dead.” Police, who arrested Savino a few days after he posted the statement, found three guns and about 11,000 rounds of ammunition in his apartment and car.</snip> <snip>Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) said in an interview that “there’s a meanness in American society today that reminds me of the period in our history, the civil rights period, where it was dangerous to speak up and speak out.”</snip> oh and lastly <snip>Some critics do turn violent. Jerad Miller had called for Obama’s impeachment on his Facebook page; in June he and his wife, Amanda, shot two police officers in a pizza restaurant in Las Vegas. They placed a swastika and a “Don’t tread on me” flag on one officer’s body and a note on the other’s that read, “This is the start of the revolution.” Miller died in a shootout with police, while his wife committed suicide.</snip> That hardly got a mention on this forum....

bossman777 -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/22/2014 8:16:34 AM)
BamaD, there will always be the fanatical gun haters who want to make every conversation about evil guns. I guess you have cloudboy pegged on that. But I want point out to Cloudboy: NYC has ALL of the 'gun controls' (like background checks) in place already. NYC has had a complete de facto ban on handgun possession since 1911 (Sullivan Act). Your gun 'controls' did not work to stop this shooting, just as they generally fail to stop criminals and madmen. The only persons dis-armed are the law abiding segment of the population--the very ones who do not need the 'controls.' Perhaps it's time to realize that freeing up possession of guns for everyone is the only way to deal with criminal element.

Musicmystery -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/22/2014 8:19:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: It's the crap he was spewing before this that people are pissed off about. Any examples? What does "No Justice No Peace" mean to you In other words, no, dc, he doesn't have any examples.

slvemike4u -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/22/2014 8:28:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted @JAS:Yes, exactly. Thank you for summing that up. I don't know what Lucy or Peon or Polite (etc) do when they're not on CS. The only way I know them is from their words here. And more often then not, all I hear from them is how the US does everything wrong and how if only we'd fix our troubles and become more like the other "civilized" countries..... After a while, it gets damn old. Has it ever occurred to you that the reason for the preponderance of discussions having to do with us....is that this is ,for the most part,a site dominated(lol,no not that way) by Americans.....so we are usually the issue. Now while it might feel good to take the damm furriners to the woodshed for the high crime of commenting on what goes on around here.....all you are doing is exposing your own idiocy and propensity to whine. But please do carry on....life is simpler when the assholes just out themselves

CreativeDominant -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/22/2014 8:34:33 AM)
I'm curious: Do you suppose...given the gunman's stated affiliation with those seeking justice in the killings of Michael Brown and Eric Garner...the D.O.J. be down to investigate? What about Obama? Will there be a statement forthcoming from him that "either one of these policemen could have been my son"? Will there be anyone from the administration attending these two police officers' funerals, given there were people sent to attend the funeral of a man engaged in illegal activity before and during the time he ran into the police officer that shot him?

slvemike4u -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/22/2014 8:37:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bossman777 BamaD, there will always be the fanatical gun haters who want to make every conversation about evil guns. I guess you have cloudboy pegged on that. But I want point out to Cloudboy: NYC has ALL of the 'gun controls' (like background checks) in place already. NYC has had a complete de facto ban on handgun possession since 1911 (Sullivan Act). Your gun 'controls' did not work to stop this shooting, just as they generally fail to stop criminals and madmen. The only persons dis-armed are the law abiding segment of the population--the very ones who do not need the 'controls.' Perhaps it's time to realize that freeing up possession of guns for everyone is the only way to deal with criminal element. Yes Bossman NYC has all of that....what NYC doesn't have are those cute little metel detectors that you see at airports erected along the interstate throughway system....So NYC has no way to deny entry to idiots from less evolved(gunlaw wise) states crossing into NY proper with what is at that point an illegal handgun Now please explain to me how NYC gunlaws could have protected those poor doomed cops.....while doing so,please look at the laws of Maryland and Virginia ,just to name two states,yanno states that also have on ramps connecting them to I-95

eulero83 -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/22/2014 8:43:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bossman777 BamaD, there will always be the fanatical gun haters who want to make every conversation about evil guns. I guess you have cloudboy pegged on that. But I want point out to Cloudboy: NYC has ALL of the 'gun controls' (like background checks) in place already. NYC has had a complete de facto ban on handgun possession since 1911 (Sullivan Act). Your gun 'controls' did not work to stop this shooting, just as they generally fail to stop criminals and madmen. The only persons dis-armed are the law abiding segment of the population--the very ones who do not need the 'controls.' Perhaps it's time to realize that freeing up possession of guns for everyone is the only way to deal with criminal element. Maybe it's insensitive for me to say... but niether the cops' guns stopped it.

BamaD -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/22/2014 8:49:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: bossman777 BamaD, there will always be the fanatical gun haters who want to make every conversation about evil guns. I guess you have cloudboy pegged on that. But I want point out to Cloudboy: NYC has ALL of the 'gun controls' (like background checks) in place already. NYC has had a complete de facto ban on handgun possession since 1911 (Sullivan Act). Your gun 'controls' did not work to stop this shooting, just as they generally fail to stop criminals and madmen. The only persons dis-armed are the law abiding segment of the population--the very ones who do not need the 'controls.' Perhaps it's time to realize that freeing up possession of guns for everyone is the only way to deal with criminal element. Yes Bossman NYC has all of that....what NYC doesn't have are those cute little metel detectors that you see at airports erected along the interstate throughway system....So NYC has no way to deny entry to idiots from less evolved(gunlaw wise) states crossing into NY proper with what is at that point an illegal handgun Now please explain to me how NYC gunlaws could have protected those poor doomed cops.....while doing so,please look at the laws of Maryland and Virginia ,just to name two states,yanno states that also have on ramps connecting them to I-95 That was the point, the strictest gun laws in the country were no help.

CreativeDominant -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/22/2014 8:52:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 quote: ORIGINAL: bossman777 BamaD, there will always be the fanatical gun haters who want to make every conversation about evil guns. I guess you have cloudboy pegged on that. But I want point out to Cloudboy: NYC has ALL of the 'gun controls' (like background checks) in place already. NYC has had a complete de facto ban on handgun possession since 1911 (Sullivan Act). Your gun 'controls' did not work to stop this shooting, just as they generally fail to stop criminals and madmen. The only persons dis-armed are the law abiding segment of the population--the very ones who do not need the 'controls.' Perhaps it's time to realize that freeing up possession of guns for everyone is the only way to deal with criminal element. Maybe it's insensitive for me to say... but niether the cops' guns stopped it. Perhaps because they were sitting in their vehicle, guns holstered, not expecting someone to walk up and ambush them? Because that type of thinking...to expect that in the neighborhood they were in...would have been "prejudging" the people. Could you imagine the uproar if they'd had their guns drawn and brought them into via anytime someone approached their vehicle? Or is that insensitive for me to say?

BamaD -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/22/2014 8:58:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 quote: ORIGINAL: bossman777 BamaD, there will always be the fanatical gun haters who want to make every conversation about evil guns. I guess you have cloudboy pegged on that. But I want point out to Cloudboy: NYC has ALL of the 'gun controls' (like background checks) in place already. NYC has had a complete de facto ban on handgun possession since 1911 (Sullivan Act). Your gun 'controls' did not work to stop this shooting, just as they generally fail to stop criminals and madmen. The only persons dis-armed are the law abiding segment of the population--the very ones who do not need the 'controls.' Perhaps it's time to realize that freeing up possession of guns for everyone is the only way to deal with criminal element. Maybe it's insensitive for me to say... but niether the cops' guns stopped it. Perhaps because they were sitting in their vehicle, guns holstered, not expecting someone to walk up and ambush them? Because that type of thinking...to expect that in the neighborhood they were in...would have been "prejudging" the people. Could you imagine the uproar if they'd had their guns drawn and brought them into via anytime someone approached their vehicle? Or is that insensitive for me to say? How dare they think someone in that neigborhood would hurt them. Worse yet if they had somehow managed to shoot him and live.

slvemike4u -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/22/2014 9:00:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: bossman777 BamaD, there will always be the fanatical gun haters who want to make every conversation about evil guns. I guess you have cloudboy pegged on that. But I want point out to Cloudboy: NYC has ALL of the 'gun controls' (like background checks) in place already. NYC has had a complete de facto ban on handgun possession since 1911 (Sullivan Act). Your gun 'controls' did not work to stop this shooting, just as they generally fail to stop criminals and madmen. The only persons dis-armed are the law abiding segment of the population--the very ones who do not need the 'controls.' Perhaps it's time to realize that freeing up possession of guns for everyone is the only way to deal with criminal element. Yes Bossman NYC has all of that....what NYC doesn't have are those cute little metel detectors that you see at airports erected along the interstate throughway system....So NYC has no way to deny entry to idiots from less evolved(gunlaw wise) states crossing into NY proper with what is at that point an illegal handgun Now please explain to me how NYC gunlaws could have protected those poor doomed cops.....while doing so,please look at the laws of Maryland and Virginia ,just to name two states,yanno states that also have on ramps connecting them to I-95 That was the point, the strictest gun laws in the country were no help. Because they are local laws....were there an actual federal law restricting possession of handguns things might be a little different. Can you see that point,or is it going right over your second amendment loving head ?

BamaD -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/22/2014 9:05:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: bossman777 BamaD, there will always be the fanatical gun haters who want to make every conversation about evil guns. I guess you have cloudboy pegged on that. But I want point out to Cloudboy: NYC has ALL of the 'gun controls' (like background checks) in place already. NYC has had a complete de facto ban on handgun possession since 1911 (Sullivan Act). Your gun 'controls' did not work to stop this shooting, just as they generally fail to stop criminals and madmen. The only persons dis-armed are the law abiding segment of the population--the very ones who do not need the 'controls.' Perhaps it's time to realize that freeing up possession of guns for everyone is the only way to deal with criminal element. Yes Bossman NYC has all of that....what NYC doesn't have are those cute little metel detectors that you see at airports erected along the interstate throughway system....So NYC has no way to deny entry to idiots from less evolved(gunlaw wise) states crossing into NY proper with what is at that point an illegal handgun Now please explain to me how NYC gunlaws could have protected those poor doomed cops.....while doing so,please look at the laws of Maryland and Virginia ,just to name two states,yanno states that also have on ramps connecting them to I-95 That was the point, the strictest gun laws in the country were no help. Because they are local laws....were there an actual federal law restricting possession of handguns things might be a little different. Can you see that point,or is it going right over your second amendment loving head ? You couldn't go over my head in an airplane while I was sleeping. First problem with your suggestion is of course that it is unconstitutional. You seem determined to help move away from someone thinking that because a grand jury didn't do what they wanted it makes it ok to murder two cops.

eulero83 -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/22/2014 9:06:37 AM)
It's not insensitive, and to me this seems making my point, the killer knew the victims were armed and trained in using them, it didn't stopped him in his intent, just adapted his tactics. Why should it be different for other criminals?

slvemike4u -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/22/2014 9:13:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: bossman777 BamaD, there will always be the fanatical gun haters who want to make every conversation about evil guns. I guess you have cloudboy pegged on that. But I want point out to Cloudboy: NYC has ALL of the 'gun controls' (like background checks) in place already. NYC has had a complete de facto ban on handgun possession since 1911 (Sullivan Act). Your gun 'controls' did not work to stop this shooting, just as they generally fail to stop criminals and madmen. The only persons dis-armed are the law abiding segment of the population--the very ones who do not need the 'controls.' Perhaps it's time to realize that freeing up possession of guns for everyone is the only way to deal with criminal element. Yes Bossman NYC has all of that....what NYC doesn't have are those cute little metel detectors that you see at airports erected along the interstate throughway system....So NYC has no way to deny entry to idiots from less evolved(gunlaw wise) states crossing into NY proper with what is at that point an illegal handgun Now please explain to me how NYC gunlaws could have protected those poor doomed cops.....while doing so,please look at the laws of Maryland and Virginia ,just to name two states,yanno states that also have on ramps connecting them to I-95 That was the point, the strictest gun laws in the country were no help. Because they are local laws....were there an actual federal law restricting possession of handguns things might be a little different. Can you see that point,or is it going right over your second amendment loving head ? You couldn't go over my head in an airplane while I was sleeping. First problem with your suggestion is of course that it is unconstitutional. You seem determined to help move away from someone thinking that because a grand jury didn't do what they wanted it makes it ok to murder two cops. Try following the discussion putz...My first foray into any remarks on gun control here was in direct response to a poster who pointed out that NYC has some of the toughest gun restriction laws in the country. All I did was state how those laws did not stop someone from bringing a gun from outside the state across state lines . In furtherance of that I pointed out how it would take federal legislation to accomplish anything meaningful where handguns are concerned. The fact that it would take an amendment to the constitution to accomplish that has nothing to do with that being so. As far as going over your head....lol,I do that while stooping

BamaD -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/22/2014 9:19:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: bossman777 BamaD, there will always be the fanatical gun haters who want to make every conversation about evil guns. I guess you have cloudboy pegged on that. But I want point out to Cloudboy: NYC has ALL of the 'gun controls' (like background checks) in place already. NYC has had a complete de facto ban on handgun possession since 1911 (Sullivan Act). Your gun 'controls' did not work to stop this shooting, just as they generally fail to stop criminals and madmen. The only persons dis-armed are the law abiding segment of the population--the very ones who do not need the 'controls.' Perhaps it's time to realize that freeing up possession of guns for everyone is the only way to deal with criminal element. Yes Bossman NYC has all of that....what NYC doesn't have are those cute little metel detectors that you see at airports erected along the interstate throughway system....So NYC has no way to deny entry to idiots from less evolved(gunlaw wise) states crossing into NY proper with what is at that point an illegal handgun Now please explain to me how NYC gunlaws could have protected those poor doomed cops.....while doing so,please look at the laws of Maryland and Virginia ,just to name two states,yanno states that also have on ramps connecting them to I-95 That was the point, the strictest gun laws in the country were no help. Because they are local laws....were there an actual federal law restricting possession of handguns things might be a little different. Can you see that point,or is it going right over your second amendment loving head ? You couldn't go over my head in an airplane while I was sleeping. First problem with your suggestion is of course that it is unconstitutional. You seem determined to help move away from someone thinking that because a grand jury didn't do what they wanted it makes it ok to murder two cops. Try following the discussion putz...My first foray into any remarks on gun control here was in direct response to a poster who pointed out that NYC has some of the toughest gun restriction laws in the country. All I did was state how those laws did not stop someone from bringing a gun from outside the state across state lines . In furtherance of that I pointed out how it would take federal legislation to accomplish anything meaningful where handguns are concerned. The fact that it would take an amendment to the constitution to accomplish that has nothing to do with that being so. As far as going over your head....lol,I do that while stooping Dream on

dcnovice -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/22/2014 9:26:37 AM)
quote: What does "No Justice No Peace" mean to you And where other unquestionable forms of Justice have been injured or crushed - be they national, social, cultural or economic - could we be sure that the Peace resulting from such a tyrannical process is true Peace? That it is a stable Peace? Or, even if it be stable, that it is a just and human Peace? . . . [T]he invitation we give to celebrate Peace resounds as an invitation to practise Justice: "Justice will bring about Peace" (Cf: Is 32:17). We repeat this today in a more incisive and dynamic formula: "If you want Peace, work for Justice". POPE PAUL VI http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/messages/peace/documents/hf_p-vi_mes_19711208_v-world-day-for-peace_en.html

slvemike4u -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/22/2014 9:27:41 AM)
I will...thanks [:D] I'll dream of the day my country starts acting responsibly to the epidemic of deaths that our adherence to an amendment that no longer makes any rational sense. I will dream of a country wherein the nomination of Surgeon General is not held up due to the fact that the nominee has been honest about the fact the gun violence constitutes a public health crisis in this country. I will dream of a day when the value of any given persons life has nothing to do with the color of his skin. I will dream of a country in which all the people see the phrase"to protect and serve" as something more than just hollow words. Those are just a few of my dreams.....notice none of them have anything to do with assholes like you ?

GoddessManko -> RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers (12/22/2014 9:42:46 AM)
While some may not believe gun control is necessary, I will pose this to you and perhaps this will assist in mike's perspective. Arms smuggling, should it be a priority? How and why is it happening? Is it partly due to how arms are being regulated/ deregulated and who can buy as well as quantity limits/ quotas? A gun enthusiast Democrat once said it may not be the weapon itself but the modification of it. Should there be a discussion on how easy it is to attain a weapon and to go even further, make a weapon anything you desire? Does it put additional strain on law enforcement? Does this strain lead to justifiable paranoia/ bias on their part? Should there be additional psychological support for law enforcement during this time of year? At who's expense? When we look at how easy it is not only for mentally hinged or criminal individuals to attain firearms, should we take a second look at gun control? The justice system and how it sends nonviolent criminals to prison for petty crimes and they may be coerced into following a path of violence thereafter? Here we have our Christmas parade and the mayor and law enforcement take part and we all wave and are generally friendly with police officers. I have seen videos of white police officers breakdancing with black neighborhood kids.Why don't THOSE GUYS make headlines? Should we take a second look at how the media handles these hot button topics? Meaning, when they work the public into an emotional frenzy by bombarding them with these negative incidents of violence by law enforcement or with racially charged cases? Should there be a balance? Good cop saves a man from drowning in NY by diving into freezing waters. (This really happened). Why don't they talk about some of the heroics of police officers at least once a week or give it half the air time of these other incidents? I'm just saying, it's getting a little obvious that they care more about ratings than what their delivery of the news is doing to people's overall perception. Do I think Al Sharpton should shake the hands of some heroic officers on occasion? Yes. Do I think he advocates violence towards officers? No. I think on some level the media should be responsible in the way they report the news while knowing the reactions it will cause.

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