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RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers - 12/22/2014 10:09:03 AM   
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I will...thanks

I'll dream of the day my country starts acting responsibly to the epidemic of deaths that our adherence to an amendment that no longer makes any rational sense.
I will dream of a country wherein the nomination of Surgeon General is not held up due to the fact that the nominee has been honest about the fact the gun violence constitutes a public health crisis in this country.
I will dream of a day when the value of any given persons life has nothing to do with the color of his skin.
I will dream of a country in which all the people see the phrase"to protect and serve" as something more than just hollow words.



Those are just a few of my dreams.....notice none of them have anything to do with assholes like you ?

It was you, not me who decided to make it personal, thus it is you, not me who is the asshole.

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RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers - 12/22/2014 10:15:39 AM   
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Don't forget the second mantra..." No Justice No Profit" thus the die-ins at local merchandisers....as if shutting down shopping malls will make whites change their ways...another example of a failed, wrong, strategy that has an opposite result than its intent... real leaders are needed.This to go alone with blocking streets and highways... with little regard for the access of emergency vehicles.

It is such a shame that needed discussions and perhaps solutions on race in America had to be instigated by a falsity... And the continued support of this falsity will only hold back needed change because of the backlash against the absurdity of this blind stance to something proven wrong.

I hope that something good comes of this but I fear the way this all started will only set back race relations in the US at least for a short time. Maybe a leader will emerge that will redirect African American anger away from Michael Brown which has no substance, in the blame not the death of a young man, and towards the real problems in race relations.

Now that blacks are united, no matter what the reason, real progress can come from this as long as the African Americans realize their part in the problems and are willing to make changes in attitude in the same way they are asking others to do.

Lets be honest...again...big mistake on my part I know. When I talk to friends and discussions over the potbelly I hear the same things over and over. Why are blacks not protesting the killing of black children by other blacks... why do blacks make this kid an angel when he was a thief... why are blacks protesting court fees when all they have to do is not break the law.... why don't blacks understand they are pulled over more than whites because they are committing most of the crime. Why must we take in black kids in our schools, when theirs lose accreditation when it is hard enough to support our own. Why do blacks disregard the fears of whites when crime rises in their neighborhoods from black crime?

But to their credit I also hear...

Why did he shoot that boy six or seven times to kill even if he was resisting arrest...Why didn't the police engage the community in ways to stop this from happening again... without the need for protests...Why is there such a disparity in minority representation on police departments. Why is it so hard for young black men to find employment. Why can't the state of Missouri get the local school districts accredited. I really hear the following a LOT...I have black friends who tell me they are against the protesters in Ferguson and they are ashamed of them... but they understand the frustration. And best of all... I hear many saying they believe there is still racism and want to see change... but invariably... they are angry at the protesters for the way they are demanding change without admitting their part in the problem.

Just my personal opinion...I admire the persistence of the protesters... after all this is winter. I believe this persistence is finally making whites understand this is not going away and there must be a problem if blacks are this serious. Eventually this awareness will bring progress and I only wish this awareness could have been brought forth in a different way... But as I think of it... most likely without these tragedies it would have been business as usual... Most, me included, don't like change unless forced. I hope in the future at the potbelly I hear more of the "to their credit" than the " Lets be honest".

Butch




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RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers - 12/22/2014 10:20:25 AM   
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Don't forget the second mantra..." No Justice No Profit" thus the die-ins at local merchandisers.

It is such a shame that needed discussions and perhaps solutions on race in America had to be instigated by a falsity... And the continued support of this falsity will only hold back needed change because of the backlash against the absurdity of this blind stance to something proven wrong.

I hope that something good comes of this but I fear the way this all started will only set back race relations in the US at least for a short time. Maybe a leader will emerge that will redirect African American anger away from Michael Brown which as no substance and towards the real problems in race relations.

Now that blacks are united, no matter what the reason, real progress can come from this as long as the African Americans realize their part in the problems and are willing to make changes in attitude in the same way they are asking others to do.

Lets be honest...again...big mistake on my part I know. When I talk to friends and discussions over the potbelly I hear the same things over and over. Why are blacks not protesting the killing of black children by other blacks... why are blacks protesting court fees when all they have to do is not break the law.... why don't black understand they are pulled over more than whites because they are committing most of the crime. Why must we take in black kids in our schools, when theirs loose accreditation when it is hard enough to support our own. Why do blacks disregard the fears of whites when crime rises in their neighborhoods from black crime?

But to their credit I also hear...

Why did he shoot that boy six are seven times to kill even if he was resisting arrest...Why didn't the police engage the community in ways to stop this from happening again... without the need for protests...Why is there such a disparity in minority representation on police departments. Why is it so hard for young black men to find employment. Why can't the state of Missouri get the local school districts accredited. I really hear the following a LOT...I have black friends who tell me they are against the protesters in Ferguson and they are ashamed of them... but they understand the frustration. And best of all... I hear many saying they believe there is still racism and want to see change... but invariably... they are angry at the protesters for the way they are demanding change without admitting their part in the problem.

Just my personal opinion...I admire the persistence of the protesters... after all this is winter. I believe this persistence is finally making whites understand this is not going away and there must be a problem if blacks are this serious. Eventually this awareness will bring progress and I only wish this awareness could have been brought forth in a different way... But as I think of it... most likely without these tragedies it would have been business as usual... Most, me included, don't like change unless forced.

Butch




Keep in mind that only the last shot caused serious harm (death being very serious) but that the first 5 (or 6) didn't even slow him down.

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RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers - 12/22/2014 10:55:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

I will...thanks

I'll dream of the day my country starts acting responsibly to the epidemic of deaths that our adherence to an amendment that no longer makes any rational sense.
I will dream of a country wherein the nomination of Surgeon General is not held up due to the fact that the nominee has been honest about the fact the gun violence constitutes a public health crisis in this country.
I will dream of a day when the value of any given persons life has nothing to do with the color of his skin.
I will dream of a country in which all the people see the phrase"to protect and serve" as something more than just hollow words.



Those are just a few of my dreams.....notice none of them have anything to do with assholes like you ?

It was you, not me who decided to make it personal, thus it is you, not me who is the asshole.

I'm trying to imagine a situation wherein I give a shit about your opinion of me....alas ,I keep coming up empty
Oh well,no matter

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RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers - 12/22/2014 10:56:21 AM   
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BamaD, there will always be the fanatical gun haters who want to make every conversation about evil guns. I guess you have cloudboy pegged on that. But I want point out to Cloudboy: NYC has ALL of the 'gun controls' (like background checks) in place already. NYC has had a complete de facto ban on handgun possession since 1911 (Sullivan Act). Your gun 'controls' did not work to stop this shooting, just as they generally fail to stop criminals and madmen. The only persons dis-armed are the law abiding segment of the population--the very ones who do not need the 'controls.' Perhaps it's time to realize that freeing up possession of guns for everyone is the only way to deal with criminal element.

Where did you miss the fact that THIS asshole who killed the two cops came up from Baltimore, WITH HIS GUN, AFTER shooting his girlfriend.
what gun law is going to protect that


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RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers - 12/22/2014 10:56:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

I will...thanks

I'll dream of the day my country starts acting responsibly to the epidemic of deaths that our adherence to an amendment that no longer makes any rational sense.
I will dream of a country wherein the nomination of Surgeon General is not held up due to the fact that the nominee has been honest about the fact the gun violence constitutes a public health crisis in this country.
I will dream of a day when the value of any given persons life has nothing to do with the color of his skin.
I will dream of a country in which all the people see the phrase"to protect and serve" as something more than just hollow words.



Those are just a few of my dreams.....notice none of them have anything to do with assholes like you ?

It was you, not me who decided to make it personal, thus it is you, not me who is the asshole.

I'm trying to imagine a situation wherein I give a shit about your opinion of me....alas ,I keep coming up empty
Oh well,no matter

The feeling is mutual.

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RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers - 12/22/2014 11:23:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: bossman777

BamaD, there will always be the fanatical gun haters who want to make every conversation about evil guns. I guess you have cloudboy pegged on that. But I want point out to Cloudboy: NYC has ALL of the 'gun controls' (like background checks) in place already. NYC has had a complete de facto ban on handgun possession since 1911 (Sullivan Act). Your gun 'controls' did not work to stop this shooting, just as they generally fail to stop criminals and madmen. The only persons dis-armed are the law abiding segment of the population--the very ones who do not need the 'controls.' Perhaps it's time to realize that freeing up possession of guns for everyone is the only way to deal with criminal element.


Maybe it's insensitive for me to say... but niether the cops' guns stopped it.

Perhaps because they were sitting in their vehicle, guns holstered, not expecting someone to walk up and ambush them?

Because that type of thinking...to expect that in the neighborhood they were in...would have been "prejudging" the people. Could you imagine the uproar if they'd had their guns drawn and brought them into via anytime someone approached their vehicle?

Or is that insensitive for me to say?


And yet someone made a snide remark on the thread about Sydney, if the people in the coffee shop had been armed, etc etc.

You cant have it both ways, because in my view no one has a gun to hand while going for a quick meal.

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RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers - 12/22/2014 11:26:28 AM   
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Careful Mike hes gonna put you on ignore and then tell everyone , what the left believe, despite nothing being even CLOSE to his claims.
a couple of examples just from the last couple of days..

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4761949
That is the basis of anyone saying that these murders aren't based in a war on cops. Post 6 of Ferguson part 2 says that this can be expected until the "bad cops" are under control. To the left that will never happen till they get to roll over to the cops are doing their job.
Anyone chanting death to the cops.

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4761696
I see you are really broken up by the death of theses cops, both of whom were minorities.

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4761699
Who, other than left wing anti cop faithful were surprised by this?


http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4761928

No they were blue lives so getting killed is just part of their job and will have to happen till all cops are beaten down.

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RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers - 12/22/2014 11:35:27 AM   
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Yeah,cause if you lean left you hate cops




p.s Lucy,check the post office in 5 minutes....please

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RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers - 12/22/2014 11:46:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: eulero83


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ORIGINAL: bossman777

BamaD, there will always be the fanatical gun haters who want to make every conversation about evil guns. I guess you have cloudboy pegged on that. But I want point out to Cloudboy: NYC has ALL of the 'gun controls' (like background checks) in place already. NYC has had a complete de facto ban on handgun possession since 1911 (Sullivan Act). Your gun 'controls' did not work to stop this shooting, just as they generally fail to stop criminals and madmen. The only persons dis-armed are the law abiding segment of the population--the very ones who do not need the 'controls.' Perhaps it's time to realize that freeing up possession of guns for everyone is the only way to deal with criminal element.


Maybe it's insensitive for me to say... but niether the cops' guns stopped it.

Perhaps because they were sitting in their vehicle, guns holstered, not expecting someone to walk up and ambush them?

Because that type of thinking...to expect that in the neighborhood they were in...would have been "prejudging" the people. Could you imagine the uproar if they'd had their guns drawn and brought them into via anytime someone approached their vehicle?

Or is that insensitive for me to say?


And yet someone made a snide remark on the thread about Sydney, if the people in the coffee shop had been armed, etc etc.

You cant have it both ways, because in my view no one has a gun to hand while going for a quick meal.


You might want to check that thread again p.s. I don't know who said that but it wasn't me.

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RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers - 12/22/2014 11:48:25 AM   
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So is there a double war on women cops?

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RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers - 12/22/2014 11:59:53 AM   
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Yeah,cause if you lean left you hate cops.


p.s Lucy,check the post office in 5 minutes....please
Apparently, some on the left do:
http://twitchy.com/2014/12/20/can-they-breathe-execution-style-killing-of-two-nypd-officers-celebrated-salute-the-shooter/

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/cop-killer-gets-support-cheered-in-streets-and-online#.VJh3WIBA

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RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers - 12/22/2014 12:09:39 PM   
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And some on the right suck dick....whats your point ?



I didn't bring links documenting that fact,you will just have to take my word for it,there are dick suckers amongst you

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RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers - 12/22/2014 12:15:58 PM   
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there are asshole elements in every single walk of life...
there are cop haters on every side of the "aisle"
Eric Frein, Jerad Miller not to forget how far the "righteous patriots" following Bundy and his gaggle of ""in the past year alone were prepared to go.
Can you imagine if guns had been on show in NY during the weeeks long protests?



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RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers - 12/22/2014 12:20:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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Yeah,cause if you lean left you hate cops.


p.s Lucy,check the post office in 5 minutes....please
Apparently, some on the left do:
http://twitchy.com/2014/12/20/can-they-breathe-execution-style-killing-of-two-nypd-officers-celebrated-salute-the-shooter/

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/cop-killer-gets-support-cheered-in-streets-and-online#.VJh3WIBA

I don't say everyone on the left hates cops I say the anti cop section, for some reason most, not all, leftist think I mean them.
I do point out that when we talk firearms we are supposed to put complete trust in the cops for out safety but when a cop is attacked and defends himself the cops don't value human life (particularly if you are the wrong color) and that they aren't out there to protect us.
And before anyone (note I didn't say everyone) goes off on a tangent, I do not always support either the cops or the armed civilian. For example the Gardner and Dunn cases.

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RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers - 12/22/2014 1:10:14 PM   
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slve4u

And some on the right suck dick....whats your point ?



I didn't bring links documenting that fact,you will just have to take my word for it,there are dick suckers amongst you
Just helping you with your point, even though your original intent was clear. Of course, your smart ass reply has absolutely nothing to do with what I said or what I posted but hey, I'm sure you'll have those who'll cheer at your wit.


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RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers - 12/22/2014 1:13:09 PM   
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OK. It's block time.

Geez.

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RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers - 12/22/2014 1:17:15 PM   
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[quohelpin:ve4u

And some on the right suck dick....whats your point ?



I didn't bring links documenting that fact,you will just have to take my word for it,there are dick suckers amongst you
Just helping you with your point, even though your original intent was clear. Of course, your smart ass reply has absolutely nothing to do with what I said or what I posted but hey, I'm sure you'll have those who'll cheer at your wit.


Actually quite a few folks cheer at my wit.
I am constantly told what a bright and witty guy I am

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RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers - 12/22/2014 1:58:14 PM   
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RE: "Revenge" Assassination Of Two NYPD Officers - 12/22/2014 2:07:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

there are asshole elements in every single walk of life...
there are cop haters on every side of the "aisle"
Eric Frein, Jerad Miller not to forget how far the "righteous patriots" following Bundy and his gaggle of ""in the past year alone were prepared to go.
Can you imagine if guns had been on show in NY during the weeeks long protests?



Great point Lucy.
Also, I am not going to go on and on about the fact that:
Innocent black/and non-black people being killed by the police have NOTHING to do with mentally ill/and or terrorist cop killers.
**Ismaaiyl Brinsley, was clearly mentally ill and should not be linked with the non-violent protesters that have been protesting police brutality and murder against innocent citizens.**

Its a shame that these issues are being lumped together by the ignorant or ill informed.



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