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MariaB -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 5:42:30 AM)
@crazyml Fantastic post. I really enjoyed reading that.

LiveSpark -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 5:49:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: LiveSpark I don't know how it works where you are but here the patient goes up to the secretary with their doctor, the doctor tells the secretary when he wants to see the patient the patient and secretary book it. That's all, no force or coercion. [8\|] That's pretty much it here, too. But, in between, there is no way to ensure compliance. That's a big part of the problem. In between there is frequently no need for regular followups. Also just because a patient is seen regularly doesn't mean there will be compliance. In the end it's up to the patient, the doctor can only do so much. On the whole, as someone who has worked in healthcare for 20+ years, patients tend to be very good about seeing their doctor when there's a need, but there will always be some people - MANY people - who simply aren't going to follow their doctor's advice.

crazyml -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 5:59:01 AM)
Thanks!

thishereboi -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 6:00:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB Look DesiderScuri, you live in a country that has the biggest obesity problems in the world. If you were a French man or a Spanish man or an Icelandic man telling me/us that knowing certain foods or over indulgence of food is making us ill and this new scheme is just a waste of time and money, I would have to listen but you're American. You come from a country that has more obesity problems than anywhere else on this planet. Try to knock us for trying hard not to catch up with you and its laughable because its as clear as glass that whatever you have tried in your country thus far hasn't worked. Just to clarify, if he had been born in a different country, you would pay attention to what he says but because he was born in the US, that automatically means he doesn't know what he is talking about? Does that about sum it up? What a shame you can't judge what someone says based on what THEY say and not on what country they happened to be born in. I honestly thought you were above that but I must have confused you with someone else. Sorry about that.

NorthernGent -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 6:02:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB Until our government make restrictions on certain products going into food and until they stop misleading us with misguided labels on food, I'm not sure any of this is going to do any good. A lack of exercise and a lack of decent food in moderation are significant factors with this issue. It doesn't take much to buy some vegetables and put them in a stew, nor does it take much to do some exercise. The real 'culprit' is the society we have become and the cultural values we espouse these days, values which promote being mere consumers and which also pay scant regard to being part of a community. People, some people, are happy enough to sit in front of the tele stuffing their faces with rubbish without a care in the world that other people are picking up the tab for it.

eulero83 -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 6:12:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB Look DesiderScuri, you live in a country that has the biggest obesity problems in the world. If you were a French man or a Spanish man or an Icelandic man telling me/us that knowing certain foods or over indulgence of food is making us ill and this new scheme is just a waste of time and money, I would have to listen but you're American. You come from a country that has more obesity problems than anywhere else on this planet. Try to knock us for trying hard not to catch up with you and its laughable because its as clear as glass that whatever you have tried in your country thus far hasn't worked. Just to clarify, if he had been born in a different country, you would pay attention to what he says but because he was born in the US, that automatically means he doesn't know what he is talking about? Does that about sum it up? What a shame you can't judge what someone says based on what THEY say and not on what country they happened to be born in. I honestly thought you were above that but I must have confused you with someone else. Sorry about that. to be fair that actually came after judging what he said, the "Aliena vitia in oculis habemus, a tergo nostra sunt" taunt was just cherry on top.

LiveSpark -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 6:13:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB Until our government make restrictions on certain products going into food and until they stop misleading us with misguided labels on food, I'm not sure any of this is going to do any good. A lack of exercise and a lack of decent food in moderation are significant factors with this issue. It doesn't take much to buy some vegetables and put them in a stew, nor does it take much to do some exercise. The real 'culprit' is the society we have become and the cultural values we espouse these days, values which promote being mere consumers and which also pay scant regard to being part of a community. People, some people, are happy enough to sit in front of the tele stuffing their faces with rubbish without a care in the world that other people are picking up the tab for it. I agree completely and that of course doesn't only apply to people in the UK. Yes doctors can and should help their patients become healthier but there is also personal responsibility. People aren't stupid, they know that eating more fruits and veggies will make them healthier, as will getting exercise. It's a choice they make, plain and simple.

Lucylastic -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 6:15:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB Look DesiderScuri, you live in a country that has the biggest obesity problems in the world. If you were a French man or a Spanish man or an Icelandic man telling me/us that knowing certain foods or over indulgence of food is making us ill and this new scheme is just a waste of time and money, I would have to listen but you're American. You come from a country that has more obesity problems than anywhere else on this planet. Try to knock us for trying hard not to catch up with you and its laughable because its as clear as glass that whatever you have tried in your country thus far hasn't worked. Just to clarify, if he had been born in a different country, you would pay attention to what he says but because he was born in the US, that automatically means he doesn't know what he is talking about? Does that about sum it up? What a shame you can't judge what someone says based on what THEY say and not on what country they happened to be born in. I honestly thought you were above that but I must have confused you with someone else. Sorry about that. There you go projecting again. Some of what DS has "assumed" and "guessed" and "supposed" has been ridiculous enough to be utter bullshit At least here furrigners actually do research into what they post about. Why is it that so many people on this fora section who need to do research and back up their claims never do. Then complain about the damn furrigners.

thishereboi -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 6:21:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB Look DesiderScuri, you live in a country that has the biggest obesity problems in the world. If you were a French man or a Spanish man or an Icelandic man telling me/us that knowing certain foods or over indulgence of food is making us ill and this new scheme is just a waste of time and money, I would have to listen but you're American. You come from a country that has more obesity problems than anywhere else on this planet. Try to knock us for trying hard not to catch up with you and its laughable because its as clear as glass that whatever you have tried in your country thus far hasn't worked. Just to clarify, if he had been born in a different country, you would pay attention to what he says but because he was born in the US, that automatically means he doesn't know what he is talking about? Does that about sum it up? What a shame you can't judge what someone says based on what THEY say and not on what country they happened to be born in. I honestly thought you were above that but I must have confused you with someone else. Sorry about that. There you go projecting again. Some of what DS has "assumed" and "guessed" and "supposed" has been ridiculous enough to be utter bullshit At least here furrigners actually do research into what they post about. Why is it that so many people on this fora section who need to do research and back up their claims never do. Then complain about the damn furrigners. I was not projecting, I was asking for clarification. So unless you are also maria and just forgot to change names or you have discussed this with her already I seriously doubt you can answer. But don't let that stop you from throwing in your two cents, I know you don't like to pass up any opportunity to try and make yourself look superior. Even when it ends in fail.

Lucylastic -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 6:25:40 AM)
you made clear the only clarification you wanted not me. Im not Maria, and I have never emailed Maria, altho I might start, so you can ASS ume something else I only know what I Have taken from DS 's points, I never claimed to say what Maria meant or said. Maria is more than capable to respond herself. It was my OWN perception. Yes my two cents. Dont mind if I do

thishereboi -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 6:28:28 AM)
Bless your heart [8D]

Lucylastic -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 6:37:24 AM)
Bless my heart while you go to the park....typical.

MariaB -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 7:27:12 AM)
@thishereboi Just to clarify because you clearly didn’t get it, if he lived (not necessarily born) in a country that didn’t have obesity problems I would of listened to his argument because it could of held some validation but because he lives in a country that has the worst obesity problems on the globe I can’t see his argument or at least I can’t understand why he disagrees so adamantly about obese people not being offered more help. As for personal digs about the country we are born in, ever heard of “cat calling the kettle black”. He’s for ever having a dig at the English whilst refusing to understand a word we are saying because we are ENGLISH. You seem to believe you know me or thought you knew me or even perhaps thought I was Lucy (I take that as a compliment by the way) sorry who are you?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 12:42:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 I found nothing that implied forcing people in doing stuff in the article, just incentives, if you can give me some quotes I can change my mind though. Did you read the OP?

Musicmystery -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 12:44:11 PM)
Did you? A lot of assumptions came with the OP and the thread that aren't specified in the article.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 12:50:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LiveSpark quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: LiveSpark I don't know how it works where you are but here the patient goes up to the secretary with their doctor, the doctor tells the secretary when he wants to see the patient the patient and secretary book it. That's all, no force or coercion. [8\|] That's pretty much it here, too. But, in between, there is no way to ensure compliance. That's a big part of the problem. In between there is frequently no need for regular followups. Also just because a patient is seen regularly doesn't mean there will be compliance. In the end it's up to the patient, the doctor can only do so much. On the whole, as someone who has worked in healthcare for 20+ years, patients tend to be very good about seeing their doctor when there's a need, but there will always be some people - MANY people - who simply aren't going to follow their doctor's advice. That's what I'm saying. The OP's question about the article was in how the program would "ensure" compliance. Most of this thread is people questioning how anyone could think that proactive, preventative health care is a bad idea, which no one has claimed. Regardless of how many programs you start, support, fund, etc., if the patient doesn't follow through, the outcomes aren't going to be realized. And, if GP's aren't already doing what this program is pushing, shouldn't the question of "why the fuck not?" be asked and answered?

LiveSpark -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 12:54:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: LiveSpark quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: LiveSpark I don't know how it works where you are but here the patient goes up to the secretary with their doctor, the doctor tells the secretary when he wants to see the patient the patient and secretary book it. That's all, no force or coercion. [8\|] That's pretty much it here, too. But, in between, there is no way to ensure compliance. That's a big part of the problem. In between there is frequently no need for regular followups. Also just because a patient is seen regularly doesn't mean there will be compliance. In the end it's up to the patient, the doctor can only do so much. On the whole, as someone who has worked in healthcare for 20+ years, patients tend to be very good about seeing their doctor when there's a need, but there will always be some people - MANY people - who simply aren't going to follow their doctor's advice. That's what I'm saying. The OP's question about the article was in how the program would "ensure" compliance. Most of this thread is people questioning how anyone could think that proactive, preventative health care is a bad idea, which no one has claimed. Regardless of how many programs you start, support, fund, etc., if the patient doesn't follow through, the outcomes aren't going to be realized. And, if GP's aren't already doing what this program is pushing, shouldn't the question of "why the fuck not?" be asked and answered? And the point you either aren't getting or are willfully ignoring that GPs ARE doing those things but there is only so much they can do.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 1:14:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LiveSpark And the point you either aren't getting or are willfully ignoring that GPs ARE doing those things but there is only so much they can do. If they are already doing this, then what's the point of a program that asks GP's to do what they're already doing?

Musicmystery -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 1:17:08 PM)
Then how is it even possible there are people who aren't aware they have diabetes? Silliness works both ways.

eulero83 -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 1:51:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 I found nothing that implied forcing people in doing stuff in the article, just incentives, if you can give me some quotes I can change my mind though. Did you read the OP? I read the article Aylee linked and quoted in the original post and I also read 1984 by George Orwell where the quote is taken from, implying they are related was all Aylee initiative that I reject.

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