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eulero83 -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 1:53:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: LiveSpark And the point you either aren't getting or are willfully ignoring that GPs ARE doing those things but there is only so much they can do. If they are already doing this, then what's the point of a program that asks GP's to do what they're already doing? Just read the fucking article insted of pretending you did 'cos it's written there.

MariaB -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 2:16:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: LiveSpark And the point you either aren't getting or are willfully ignoring that GPs ARE doing those things but there is only so much they can do. If they are already doing this, then what's the point of a program that asks GP's to do what they're already doing? Just read the fucking article insted of pretending you did 'cos it's written there. Spoken like a true Italian [;)]

DesideriScuri -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 3:12:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Then how is it even possible there are people who aren't aware they have diabetes? Silliness works both ways. There are people who aren't being proactive in their health care. Those are likely the people who don't know they have diabetes. But, are those people going to the Dr.? Are those people watching what they eat? Exercising? Get real, MM. People still aren't going to do this stuff just because there is a new program mandating a GP write a note and detail some options. If the GP's are already doing these things, what's the point of the program? Do people truly not have any clue that being fat isn't healthy? Seriously?

crazyml -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 3:20:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Then how is it even possible there are people who aren't aware they have diabetes? Silliness works both ways. There are people who aren't being proactive in their health care. Those are likely the people who don't know they have diabetes. But, are those people going to the Dr.? Are those people watching what they eat? Exercising? And when a campaign is run, that effectively reaches these people and helps a significant number of them change their lifestyles, this is a bad thing how? quote: Get real, MM. People still aren't going to do this stuff just because there is a new program mandating a GP write a note and detail some options. Indeed, that would sound like a pretty poor scheme. I wonder if they've thought about that? I wonder if, maybe, a pilot scheme was run that was successful... and maybe the scheme involved a range of things including awareness, education, as well as counselling and advice. Think about it. quote: If the GP's are already doing these things, what's the point of the program? The program found a way of doing these things more effectively. Are you against doing things more effectively? quote: Do people truly not have any clue that being fat isn't healthy? Seriously? Are you seriously asking this question?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 3:27:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 I found nothing that implied forcing people in doing stuff in the article, just incentives, if you can give me some quotes I can change my mind though. Did you read the OP? I read the article Aylee linked and quoted in the original post and I also read 1984 by George Orwell where the quote is taken from, implying they are related was all Aylee initiative that I reject. So, the article in the OP didn't contain what Aylee quoted? This part: quote: Under the scheme, family doctors will be asked to identify anyone who has gained weight and is at risk of diabetes – particularly those aged below 40. They will then be offered tests for pre-diabetes, followed by healthy lifestyle advice and close monitoring to ensure they are eating better and exercising more. That part wasn't in the article? What about this part? quote: Mr Stevens said: "If this was a pill we'd be popping it - instead it’s a well-designed programme of exercise, eating well and making smart health choices, and we're going to start making it available free on the NHS." So, the NHS is going to have a program where it will be free for people to eat well, exercise and make smart health choices? All 3 of those things, btw, are things that people can do, immediately, without any program or trip to a health care provider. Aylee's question was about how "close monitoring to ensure they are eating better and exercising more" was going to be effected (thus the quote from 1984). If the NHS or GP is going to closely monitor the patients most at risk, what happens if there is non-compliance? "Close monitoring" to ensure compliance certainly is related to "1984."

DesideriScuri -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 3:34:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Then how is it even possible there are people who aren't aware they have diabetes? Silliness works both ways. There are people who aren't being proactive in their health care. Those are likely the people who don't know they have diabetes. But, are those people going to the Dr.? Are those people watching what they eat? Exercising? And when a campaign is run, that effectively reaches these people and helps a significant number of them change their lifestyles, this is a bad thing how? What's the point of running a program that has GP's do what they are already doing? No matter how many times someone alludes to it, no one here has said that proactive health care is a bad thing. No one. quote: quote: Get real, MM. People still aren't going to do this stuff just because there is a new program mandating a GP write a note and detail some options. Indeed, that would sound like a pretty poor scheme. I wonder if they've thought about that? I wonder if, maybe, a pilot scheme was run that was successful... and maybe the scheme involved a range of things including awareness, education, as well as counselling and advice. Think about it. Awareness, education, counseling and advice? Is this program borne out of some new study that GP's didn't know this stuff already? If not, then, why haven't GP's been raising awareness, educating, advising and counseling their patients who are gaining weight already? quote: If the GP's are already doing these things, what's the point of the program? The program found a way of doing these things more effectively. Are you against doing things more effectively? Posters here have been saying that GP's are already doing the stuff the program is going to do. Read the thread. It's already been hashed out. quote: quote: Do people truly not have any clue that being fat isn't healthy? Seriously? Are you seriously asking this question? It's, apparently, not obvious, if there has to be a program to let them know.

Musicmystery -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 3:51:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Then how is it even possible there are people who aren't aware they have diabetes? Silliness works both ways. There are people who aren't being proactive in their health care. Those are likely the people who don't know they have diabetes. But, are those people going to the Dr.? Are those people watching what they eat? Exercising? Get real, MM. People still aren't going to do this stuff just because there is a new program mandating a GP write a note and detail some options. If the GP's are already doing these things, what's the point of the program? Do people truly not have any clue that being fat isn't healthy? Seriously? And, in the unlikely event you leave beyond sarcasm and shots to actually consider, perhaps you'll come to the conclusion that a program to help these people is probably a good idea.

Politesub53 -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 4:13:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi Just to clarify, if he had been born in a different country, you would pay attention to what he says but because he was born in the US, that automatically means he doesn't know what he is talking about? Does that about sum it up? What a shame you can't judge what someone says based on what THEY say and not on what country they happened to be born in. I honestly thought you were above that but I must have confused you with someone else. Sorry about that. Laughable shit from someone who once told me I shouldnt be posting on US matters. Last time I sad this you denied it and asked me to post where, so I did. Dont make me do it again. [;)]

DesideriScuri -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 6:11:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Then how is it even possible there are people who aren't aware they have diabetes? Silliness works both ways. There are people who aren't being proactive in their health care. Those are likely the people who don't know they have diabetes. But, are those people going to the Dr.? Are those people watching what they eat? Exercising? Get real, MM. People still aren't going to do this stuff just because there is a new program mandating a GP write a note and detail some options. If the GP's are already doing these things, what's the point of the program? Do people truly not have any clue that being fat isn't healthy? Seriously? And, in the unlikely event you leave beyond sarcasm and shots to actually consider, perhaps you'll come to the conclusion that a program to help these people is probably a good idea. It's obvious you are either clueless or aggressively ignorant about what I believe. After all these years, I'd have figured you'd have a clue. And, I'd be wrong.

Musicmystery -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 7:31:24 PM)
Who knows what goes on in that crazy brain of yours. My honest take is that you thrive on finding some semantic nic-picky point and arguing it for pages as if it were ultimate and sole truth until the other posters get bored or tired.

Edwynn -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/30/2014 11:46:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Good grief, really? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/11295265/Doctors-told-to-report-patients-who-put-on-weight.html quote: Under the scheme, family doctors will be asked to identify anyone who has gained weight and is at risk of diabetes – particularly those aged below 40. They will then be offered tests for pre-diabetes, followed by healthy lifestyle advice and close monitoring to ensure they are eating better and exercising more. Two plus two makes five, now? I think I have read about this sort of close monitoring before: quote: 'Smith!' screamed the shrewish voice from the telescreen. '6079 Smith W.! Yes, you! Bend lower, please! You can do better than that. You're not trying. Lower, please! That's better, comrade. Now stand at ease, the whole squad, and watch me.' A sudden hot sweat had broken out all over Winston's body. His face remained completely inscrutable. Never show dismay! Never show resentment! A single flicker of the eyes could give you away. He stood watching while the instructress raised her arms above her head and — one could not say gracefully, but with remarkable neatness and efficiency — bent over and tucked the first joint of her fingers under her toes. 'There, comrades! That's how I want to see you doing it. Watch me again. I'm thirty-nine and I've had four children. Now look.' She bent over again. 'You see my knees aren't bent. You can all do it if you want to,' she added as she straightened herself up. 'Anyone under forty-five is perfectly capable of touching his toes. We don't all have the privilege of fighting in the front line, but at least we can all keep fit. Remember our boys on the Malabar front! And the sailors in the Floating Fortresses! Just think what they have to put up with. Now try again. That's better, comrade, that's much better,' she added encouragingly as Winston, with a violent lunge, succeeded in touching his toes with knees unbent, for the first time in several years... I am glad that for now I do not live in Airstrip One. And with all that quoting, you still miss out on the verity or meaning of the common British or even American phrase of " to ensure that ... " You've missed your calling, that of being on the House of Unamerican Activities or the McCarthy hearings. I'm glad you had a good time in the Army and have gotten yourself whatever attainment thereby, but don't expect the rest of society to glean your McCarthyite take on everything printed in whatever media as gospel. Some of us spent our time reading behind the lines, even some others who volunteered, which where I've gotten info firsthand. In any case, since we live in a country where capital and whatever it wants is king, it still amazes me to see 300-400 pound humans riding the grocery store battery carts due to their obesity and nothing else. But your issue here seems to be that any government deign to have any notice of the matter. I'll give you a slip on the companies that make these fat-carts, so as to steer you to the right investment. Otherwise, I honestly don't know what you're on about.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/31/2014 3:09:47 AM)
I think it's high time that governments climbed aboard the "fat shaming" train! We've tried everything else. Maybe bringing the power of governmental institutionalized fat-shaming will work! Kudos to the UK, that bastion of liberty and freedom and progressive thinking! Michael

bounty44 -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/31/2014 4:22:57 AM)
"You've missed your calling, that of being on the House of Unamerican Activities or the McCarthy hearings." "I'm glad you had a good time in the Army and have gotten yourself whatever attainment thereby, but don't expect the rest of society to glean your McCarthyite take on everything printed in whatever media as gospel. " the conversation aside for a moment----in many instances, McCarthy was right.

dcnovice -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/31/2014 4:35:56 AM)
quote: in many instances, McCarthy was right. Such as . . . ?

dcnovice -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/31/2014 4:44:28 AM)
quote: it still amazes me to see 300-400 pound humans riding the grocery store battery carts due to their obesity and nothing else. How do you know their medical histories? You can tell if total strangers have, say, congestive heart failure, neuropathy, gout, or something else that doesn't manifest externally?

thishereboi -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/31/2014 5:56:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB @thishereboi Just to clarify because you clearly didn’t get it, if he lived (not necessarily born) in a country that didn’t have obesity problems I would of listened to his argument because it could of held some validation but because he lives in a country that has the worst obesity problems on the globe I can’t see his argument or at least I can’t understand why he disagrees so adamantly about obese people not being offered more help. I see, so living in a country with a major obesity problem automatically means your opinions on obesity don't count. Gottcha. quote: As for personal digs about the country we are born in, ever heard of “cat calling the kettle black”. He’s for ever having a dig at the English whilst refusing to understand a word we are saying because we are ENGLISH. Not sure what this bit is about. Are you replying to more than one post? quote: You seem to believe you know me or thought you knew me or even perhaps thought I was Lucy (I take that as a compliment by the way) sorry who are you? Well I thought you were above discounting something someone said based on where they were living, but you are right, I was wrong.

thishereboi -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/31/2014 5:59:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi Just to clarify, if he had been born in a different country, you would pay attention to what he says but because he was born in the US, that automatically means he doesn't know what he is talking about? Does that about sum it up? What a shame you can't judge what someone says based on what THEY say and not on what country they happened to be born in. I honestly thought you were above that but I must have confused you with someone else. Sorry about that. Laughable shit from someone who once told me I shouldnt be posting on US matters. Last time I sad this you denied it and asked me to post where, so I did. Dont make me do it again. [;)] awww, go ahead, you know you want to And then perhaps you can explain what that had to with my post.

Musicmystery -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/31/2014 6:20:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I think it's high time that governments climbed aboard the "fat shaming" train! We've tried everything else. Maybe bringing the power of governmental institutionalized fat-shaming will work! Kudos to the UK, that bastion of liberty and freedom and progressive thinking! Michael Naw, it's time for someone to construct the conspiracy theory that governments are deliberately making people fat.

MariaB -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/31/2014 9:30:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: it still amazes me to see 300-400 pound humans riding the grocery store battery carts due to their obesity and nothing else. How do you know their medical histories? You can tell if total strangers have, say, congestive heart failure, neuropathy, gout, or something else that doesn't manifest externally? The thing is we don't know but what I do know is, Britain is now the capital of battery carts in Europe and although you are not supposed to drive around in one of those carts unless you are registered disabled, there is a huge percentage flaunting that law. Five years ago we had 70,000 scooters on our pavements; now we have a whopping 300,000 and the manufacturers have had to modify and re-invent scooters that can now take up to 550lbs in body weight. Whilst we don't know peoples medical history and pointing out that someone is in a battery cart because they are fat would not only be cruel and incentive but naive and ridiculous. Studies in the UK however, have shown this massive rise in battery trolley use is not for the registered disabled but for the growing numbers in obesity. If the laws are suddenly tightened and people are stopped and asked to show their disability certificate or display one on their trolley, there will be an awful lot of people who suddenly find themselves walking round the shops instead of riding round them.

Aylee -> RE: Doctors told to report patients who put on weight (12/31/2014 1:24:40 PM)
11 pages and still no answer as to how healthy eating and exercise will be ensured through close monitoring. sigh

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