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BamaD -> RE: Another "successful" carry story (1/25/2015 3:28:02 PM)
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
Even the articles you linked to don't definitively state, nor do they prove your notion that the NRA is an arm of the gun industry. Your notion is just the latest NRA bashing talking points. Just because the unabashedly biased pompous asshole Josh Sugarman says so simply because the NRA gets money from the industry, does not make it true.
Each industry in the country is represented by a lobbying group. The Oil and Gas have a few, so does retail, and automakers. For the firearm industry, the NRA is their lobbying group. The NRA enters into court cases when the out come serves the gun industry. Which is why it supported Mr. Heller in the case, Heller vs. D.C. If the NRA was truly supporting the common citizen with a firearm in a court case, and not the firearm industry. Please explain why they were absence in support (directly speaking) of Mr. George Zimmerman and Mr. Michael Dunn. Two characters whom used firearms in unlawful ways. Only one of them is now serving jail time.
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
I can just imagine this conversation.
Gun industry to NRA: "Here's millions of dollars to help line your coffers".
NRA to gun industry: "Oh we can't take that money, the likes of Josh Sugarman might say we're a virtual subsidiary of the gun industry".
Fuck yes they're going to take the money. Are you fuckin kidding me.
Crooked and corrupted politicians will take money from anyone. The ones that try to be and stay honest, will question the origins of the funding and ask 'What will this group demand of us for such a donation'? The NRA does not care about America, her citizens, or the damage caused from the misuse of firearms. Only what the gun industry tells them to be concern on.
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
From your article in The Atlantic:
"So who does the NRA speak for, again? The answer is: lots of people. Hard-core gun-devotees, frightened conservatives, its own well-paid leaders, gun makers, and ammo retailers all play into the mix. It would be reductive to call it a mere corporate lobbyist. But in any event, it's clear the NRA isn't just representing your average Joe Six-Shooter."
A wee bit of balance there but they left out 10's of millions of sportsman, collectors and enthusiasts.
Got a source for this information? From a non partisan site if you could please....
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
In the same article they listed the amount donated by the gun industry in 2010. While significant it doesn't come close to the combined amounts donated by members, wealthy benefactors, advertising sales and other sources.
Yes, because 'honesty' is a virtue the NRA is often accused on, right? How about a full disclosure of their books? And the super PAC's that support them? Funny how conservatives often complain about the government holding secrets; yet their organizations, which operate like government's in their own right, try to keep everything hidden and under wraps. Can you say 'Hypocrites'?
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
IMO, protecting the interests of the gun industry and protecting the Second Amendment rights for all Americans are one and the same.
Funny how the 2nd amendment is the most corrupted law in the nation. That we ignore the first half and reinterpete the second half anyways we want. Should we not be surprised by the problems it causes? Look at the 7th amendment. How often does that come up anymore? Do you even know what the 7th amendment actually is? No, of course not. You couldn't rattle off the five parts of the 1st amendment without looking them up. Dont bother opening your mouth on the 2nd!
I find it curious that when I ask the same individuals that support the corrupted version of the 2nd amendment, if they are 'ok', if people do the same to the 8th amendment, NONE of them are 'ok' with it. You know, we ignore the first half of the 8th and reinterpret the second have anyway we want. If its not 'ok' to do that with the 8th, and not 'ok' on twenty-five other amendments. Then its CERTAINLY, not 'ok', to do that on the 2nd. Yes, it got corrupted in the Heller verse D.C. case. The US Supreme Court Justices (the five conservative ones at that), did an end-run-around the 2nd amendment. Which branch of the federal system is allowed to reinterpret the definitions of amendments under the US Constitution? The Legislative. Usually the Supreme Court enters into issues when the lower court and the appellate courts have issues. But in Heller vs. D.C., both courts were in agreement. Mr. Heller didn't have an argument that the 2nd was being violated by D.C.'s firearm laws.
Yes, the first half of the amendment explains....WHO....has a Constitutional right to firearms and....WHY. The second half's meaning is lost on people for not understnading 18th century viewpoints. But instead, inserting 20th and 21st century propaganda. You know, the stuff coming out of the NRA....
Now what does the NRA gain by keeping American's clueless to the 2nd? Support for doing the gun industry's lobbying for pennies on the dollar. The Oil and Gas industry has to pay a pile of money for their lobbyist. But the gun industry has successfully pulled the wool over the sheep's eyes, and masquerade itself 'the defender of the 2nd amendment'. If you disbelieve me, go look into all the court cases the NRA has directly and indirectly supported. How many of those cases helped the individual on trial, but NOT, the gun industry? None of them. That should tell you something of which cases the NRA enters into and helps defend.
Zimmerman was self defense, they had a trail remember?
Dunn was murder.
But since you think they were both guilty, facts be damned, why should the NRA have supported them in their trials. If they had you would be whining that they were protecting murderers, your bias is showing once again.
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