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RE: How To Tell The Real From The Fakes? - 1/26/2015 1:32:51 AM

Kat713

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I just want to say that just because I don't want to Skype with you within 2 messages back and forth does not mean that I am a fake. Or if you message me "hey,i will be in the area, let's meet" and I don't reply, that does not mean I am a fake. How to tell the real from the fakes? Sometimes just a little patience will do the trick. Of course no one wants to waste their time, but if you were really interested in something more than a quick jerk off session or sex tonight (that's what craigslist might be better off for or your local red light district), yet start demanding offsite (Skype, numbers, etc) within a few messages.... You don't have the time to wait a few messages; that doesn't sound like you are ready to go forward with that person into something serious. People might not be down for offsite so quickly for whatever reasons. And that does not mean that they are fakes.
By the way, when I say 'you', I am not referring to anyone in particular so don't think I'm being harsh with you, OP haha. It's just that I often get accused of being fake even when I politely decline to do Skype or try to explain why I would rather not be offsite at the moment... And I think that's why some women just ignore messages. Because it's like you can't win. If you are nice and then decline, you get called unsubmissive. If you don't respond, you might get called fake (but this one tends to be the least messy). If you try to give an inch, (like okay maybe yahoo)- they take a mile and you get 'so... what would you do if i was there and i slid my hand in your panties' within 5 minutes.
Sorry for the rant.

TL;DR? OP, a bit of patience goes a long way in weeding out fakes or those who might not be ideal for you~ Good luck!

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RE: How To Tell The Real From The Fakes? - 1/26/2015 2:08:18 AM

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All the advice above is good.

Just as there are fakes in real life, you can weed out the blatant fakes and undesirables (I lump them together for convenience) using a combination of methods, some of which take time and effort, others don't.

This off-the-cuff list of signs is not in any particular order, and is certainly open for discussion, and it's omnisex, but, mostly applies to males looking for females as the dynamic is totally different the other way around (in many ways)...

1. Her profile is too good to be true (this takes only seconds to discern but is never foolproof)
2. Her profile picture(s) is/are plastered all over the Internet (this is easy to determine in seconds)
3. She contacts you, demanding this or that, and hasn't even looked at your profile once
4. The word tribute exists (in any form whatsoever) [this clue could be debated until the end of time though]
5. An external contact exists in the profile (usually a web site or email address)
6. She has been on the site for five years and is still 18
7. Unreadable colors! (I don't get this one, but, the more unreadable the profile, the more fake it seems to be)
8. The distance reported to your zip bears no resemblance to her stated locale

And then, there are the real ones that aren't worth your time (again, totally subject to debate)...
a. Any of the above clues for fake profiles
b. Her profile is almost empty
c. She lives more than, oh, say, 100 miles away
d. She hasn't logged in for years
e. Spelling and grammar in a profile that would make an English teacher cry
f. No journal entries or forum posts (again, debatable, depending on the type of person you seek)
g. She has requirements in her profile, which you just don't meet

That's just offhand, in the few seconds I took to write this, so, I'm sure we can double or triple the list without much effort, and help the OP out. If I think of more the next time I visit this thread, I can update the list for you, but this is good enough for government work.

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RE: How To Tell The Real From The Fakes? - 1/26/2015 7:32:45 AM

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I'm still confused as to why Chrch thinks dominance means you have to be rude.

All that vanilla stuff he derides? They're more important to establishing and maintaining a successful power relationship than kinky sex is.

Somebody who makes it clear that being friends isn't something he wants, that he just wants a booty call isn't likely to have a lot of success. Try your local bar instead. Or Craigslist.

If you want someone to submit to you, you need to demonstrate that you are worth submitting to. Which you don't get by sending an email demanding a blow job or anal sex.

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RE: How To Tell The Real From The Fakes? - 1/26/2015 7:45:24 AM

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I agree with Kat713 that patience is the key to tell who is who online.

Distance might appear to be a problem to some, but my successes have been with those who are quite far away.
6000 US miles, hah, it was further than that! And yes, it got started on Collarme.

DesFIP got a very important point, whoever you mail and chat with, Skype Yahoo or any other system, both involved do know you're into kinky stuff. So normal polite smalltalk asking how your day has been will be a strong signal to the other telling if you're a person with normal social skills or a maniac who think about nothing but your dick.

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RE: How To Tell The Real From The Fakes? - 1/26/2015 8:03:44 AM

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And it's not just women who don't respond to messages. I contact men from here all the time and I'd say about 7-8 out of 10 don't bother to respond back. Perhaps it's because I'm not demanding service and sexual acts right off the bat, rather trying to engage them in conversation to see if we're compatible

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RE: How To Tell The Real From The Fakes? - 1/26/2015 8:42:40 AM

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quote:

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And it's not just women who don't respond to messages. I contact men from here all the time and I'd say about 7-8 out of 10 don't bother to respond back. Perhaps it's because I'm not demanding service and sexual acts right off the bat, rather trying to engage them in conversation to see if we're compatible

As a submissive male looking at your profile gives me no indication of who you are. Barely anything is filled in, so unless you sent me a message filled with details about you and your likes/dislikes, I wouldn't know if I would like to start talking either. I would reply and ask for more details though.

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RE: How To Tell The Real From The Fakes? - 1/26/2015 10:17:02 AM

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To crumpets I'd say #8 is not necessarily true. I use proxies from time to time when I feel "overexposed" online. My privacy is important to me. Also though distance matters to you, it doesn't to me as long as they are relocatable or vice versa. My world is pretty big and I don't try to place geographic limitations on myself. I have a home overseas after all.

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RE: How To Tell The Real From The Fakes? - 1/26/2015 10:41:38 AM

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A fast reply

I find it odd to think that dominance is something I can turn off and on. I simply am dominant in my way of living. For any given situation I choose to what degree I'm dominant. But I don't turn it off and on like a light switch.

This is what is being said actually. What they mean is that if you go in with guns blazing shooting your dominant bullets all over the place, that is kind of ridiculous. You have recognized the usefulness of regulating your dominance relative to your situation. Sometimes less is definitely more, and knowing the difference and when that is appropriate is what separates the wheat from the chaff.

quote:

And it seems too many (so called) submissives aren't truly submissive in any way. Always touting that they're only submissive for their Owner. It's like really. If you don't demonstrate your submission. How can you possibly expect to be taken seriously that you are a submissive?

Again, since there are no hard and fast rules as to how one is supposed to conduct themselves within the confines of their claimed roles, how a submissive conducts themselves is up to them. My slut is very submissive, and there are indications of that in the way she interacts in her daily life. She will not be submissive to every dominant she meets just because she has a submissive nature, that would be silly. And she certainly will not tolerate any dominant that thought that she should demonstrate her submissiveness to them simply because they claim to be dominant... I call that wise, not phony.

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RE: How To Tell The Real From The Fakes? - 1/26/2015 11:15:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

To crumpets I'd say #8 is not necessarily true. I use proxies from time to time when I feel "overexposed" online. My privacy is important to me. Also though distance matters to you, it doesn't to me as long as they are relocatable or vice versa. My world is pretty big and I don't try to place geographic limitations on myself. I have a home overseas after all.

If you have a second home, or if you travel or vacation a lot in the areas of concern, that would, to me, be a special case where distance is of no merit (at least, distance to THOSE preferred locations).

But, for me, even 100 miles isn't gonna happen, let along ten times that.

Nonetheless, #8 was written specific to a specific keyword on the profile itself.
You see, when we edit our profiles, at least for USA profiles, we put in a zip code (I'm not sure if it's mandatory or not).
That zip code is, apparently, what Collarme uses for the distance calculation.

I have surmised that the fakes put in any zip code they like, as they almost certainly generate hundreds of these fake profiles, and they need to change things up a bit, and, as such, the zip code doesn't match the location in the profile.

Of course, it could be an honest mistake, or someone moved, or whatever, but, as I had said, these were just off-hand clues I use to decide whether or not to spend any time on a profile.

My other technique is to HIDE the profile the moment anything is fishy. If an 18-year old bombshell contacts me, more often than not, I'd just HIDE and then BLOCK the profile, so as not to waste my time any further. Too good to be true, is too good to be true.

In fact, even if I search within 100 miles of my current location in Silicon Valley, there are only about a dozen (at most) profiles which seem both true, and realistic. That's said, but that's my assessment. Of those dozen, what's the likelihood of being in the same time and place and role in life as that other person, and then having the right chemistry, and, then beating out the competition at the same time?

Probably 1 in 10, so, for any of we males, the REAL prospects are about 1 out of the 100 miles surrounding us, while, for females, I would have to say it's 100 to 1 or more.

I could be wrong though ...

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RE: How To Tell The Real From The Fakes? - 1/26/2015 11:41:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: crumpets

If you have a second home, or if you travel or vacation a lot in the areas of concern, that would, to me, be a special case where distance is of no merit (at least, distance to THOSE preferred locations).

But, for me, even 100 miles isn't gonna happen, let along ten times that.

Nonetheless, #8 was written specific to a specific keyword on the profile itself.
You see, when we edit our profiles, at least for USA profiles, we put in a zip code (I'm not sure if it's mandatory or not).
That zip code is, apparently, what Collarme uses for the distance calculation.

I have surmised that the fakes put in any zip code they like, as they almost certainly generate hundreds of these fake profiles, and they need to change things up a bit, and, as such, the zip code doesn't match the location in the profile.

Of course, it could be an honest mistake, or someone moved, or whatever, but, as I had said, these were just off-hand clues I use to decide whether or not to spend any time on a profile.

My other technique is to HIDE the profile the moment anything is fishy. If an 18-year old bombshell contacts me, more often than not, I'd just HIDE and then BLOCK the profile, so as not to waste my time any further. Too good to be true, is too good to be true.

In fact, even if I search within 100 miles of my current location in Silicon Valley, there are only about a dozen (at most) profiles which seem both true, and realistic. That's said, but that's my assessment. Of those dozen, what's the likelihood of being in the same time and place and role in life as that other person, and then having the right chemistry, and, then beating out the competition at the same time?

Probably 1 in 10, so, for any of we males, the REAL prospects are about 1 out of the 100 miles surrounding us, while, for females, I would have to say it's 100 to 1 or more.

I could be wrong though ...

My thought is you make sense for the most part. I think it would take a lot for a sub to start flying himself all over the country for the pursuit of a relationship unless he can afford to do so or can even realistically relocate. In that case going offline to munches is the best alternative in my mind's eye. In my case, I have always worked for myself for the past...8 years or so. If someone is going to pursue something long distance then skype should be on the table unless you have money to burn or have a conference in the area where you and prospective Domme can meet for coffee. Talking on the phone isn't enough. People look very different irl than in photos sometimes. And not for the better and then chemistry plummets because of expectation.
It really depends on someone's comfort zone but having too many requirements at the starting gate limits your options so much I'd say get offline and meet people in that case and network on kink friendly vanilla sites as well. Making yourself available to serve at parties for friends or whoever to network sounds like the quickest option to meeting someone local as a male sub.
ETA; reading what DesFIP said, I am a bit guilty about embellishing not so much my age than date of birth. It is really hard for me to put my personal information all over the internet. My age is usually no more than 2 years younger on these sites. Currently my age on this profile is accurate. I never really think of it because it's such a tiny difference and I always tell people my real birthday if we meet offline or I have interest and they ask. It's really a process getting to know me I'm afraid. So many layers like Shrek, LOL.

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RE: How To Tell The Real From The Fakes? - 1/26/2015 12:28:18 PM

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Crumpets mentioned age not changing. One thing I love about here is that I'm still five years younger than in real life. For some unknown reason the site does not automatically update age. On fet, alas, I'm my real age.

I never think of changing it here.

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RE: How To Tell The Real From The Fakes? - 1/26/2015 1:56:09 PM

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I'm still confused as to why Chrch thinks dominance means you have to be rude.

All that vanilla stuff he derides? They're more important to establishing and maintaining a successful power relationship than kinky sex is.

Somebody who makes it clear that being friends isn't something he wants, that he just wants a booty call isn't likely to have a lot of success. Try your local bar instead. Or Craigslist.

If you want someone to submit to you, you need to demonstrate that you are worth submitting to. Which you don't get by sending an email demanding a blow job or anal sex.

Exactly.

I knew my girl for years. I didn't know she was submissive when we started dating. Neither did she.

But if she hadn't been able to relax into safe space I created for her, I'm certain she wouldn't have become my girl. That nurturing space had to be there first -- that's what allowed her to want to follow and be collared.

She's on her knees each morning because she loves me and loves to serve and pleasure, to make my life nice, to support me in any way she can, including joyfully addressing my wants and needs. If I had instead said "On your knees, girl--time to suck," there wouldn't have been a second date. And rightly so.

We're partners first. Everything else flows from that.

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RE: How To Tell The Real From The Fakes? - 1/26/2015 2:27:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: usememistress775

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ORIGINAL: ControlTherapy

And it's not just women who don't respond to messages. I contact men from here all the time and I'd say about 7-8 out of 10 don't bother to respond back. Perhaps it's because I'm not demanding service and sexual acts right off the bat, rather trying to engage them in conversation to see if we're compatible

As a submissive male looking at your profile gives me no indication of who you are. Barely anything is filled in, so unless you sent me a message filled with details about you and your likes/dislikes, I wouldn't know if I would like to start talking either. I would reply and ask for more details though.

I don't know whether Control's profile has been updated since useme viewed it, but it would indicate on-line only hypno-Domination, and that might tend to scare off some guys. (Not entirely sure about that. What's your opinion, usememistress? You seem like the intrepid sort.

)
Btw,

ControlTherapy, to the site and to the forum side. IME, there doesn't appear to be any shortage of male subs wanting to chat and engage in (free) on-line play. Dommes here almost have to beat them off with a stick (no pun intended). Guys are visually-oriented and you have no photos to appeal to them. Some of these users have been on this site for years trawling for provocative pics. You may not be interested in those types (nor am I), but if I may, I'd like to give you a couple of tips. Lots of men are wary of fake female profiles. The fact that you have no nekkid and/or alluring pics uploaded right off the bat tells me that yours isn't one of those. However, you have no bait, so to speak. Also, lifestyle Dommes don't usually go around cold-contacting males. This in itself is highly suspect to the ones who've been on here for a while. (We don't have to for the most part with the disproportionate ratio of subs to Dommes, and have our hands full as it is.) Just saying.

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RE: How To Tell The Real From The Fakes? - 1/26/2015 3:45:08 PM

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I had an interesting fake profile message me yesterday. A beautiful 26 year old woman saying she wants me to be her Master because she likes me. Her profile states that she works in a hotel in California but lives in Virginia and complained that the commute was rough.

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RE: How To Tell The Real From The Fakes? - 1/26/2015 3:51:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Crumpets mentioned age not changing. One thing I love about here is that I'm still five years younger than in real life. For some unknown reason the site does not automatically update age. On fet, alas, I'm my real age.

I never think of changing it here.

wait, we have to change our age on here? lol
I bet Im like 20. Im totally leaving it like that too.
*runs off to check*

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RE: How To Tell The Real From The Fakes? - 1/26/2015 4:07:21 PM

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Damn, that would be a rough commute. What's a few thousand miles for a 15 - 20 dollar per hour job?

And Fiery, I am willing to try anything once, in the right circumstances with the right person. But I've never liked dodge vehicles, I'm more of a Tesla guy;)

Do car puns rev your engine?

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RE: How To Tell The Real From The Fakes? - 1/26/2015 8:11:38 PM

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hiya.... kinda new to the site.. was using collarme before it closed. and wasnt aware of the new domain. and that you could use old login credentials..

anyway. thhis post is about best ways to figure out if who your talking to is really the person in the pic...

as a newbie. i know ive been speaking to a few fakes... reluctant to provide proof. as in a quick voice or video call.

really ruining my experience.

i always take time to read profiles prior to messaging. and only ever make contact if i feel it would be welcomed. (which seems to be rarely as noone ever replies)

so... back to the original question. how to know your contact is genuine. would be nice to hear others thoughts..

1. Women are inundated with emails on this site so you should expect only a very small number to respond to you.
2. Most women will not be quick to provide their phone number or other contact info. You need to build a lot of trust before that happens.
3. Your profile is pretty bad -- it's negative (too many fakes here) and too BDSM-centric. I imagine it turns off a lot of women, and you'd do better by presenting yourself as a human being first.
4. If you're real, the fakes get bored really fast. In fact, that's one of the best ways to spot a fake -- engage with people as human beings first and any flakery is immediately obvious. Real begets real.

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RE: How To Tell The Real From The Fakes? - 1/26/2015 11:15:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: usememistress775

And Fiery, I am willing to try anything once, in the right circumstances with the right person. But I've never liked dodge vehicles, I'm more of a Tesla guy;)

Do car puns rev your engine?

Nope, but one or two of our cross-country trips was in a Dodge Dart a really long time ago. No joke.

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ORIGINAL: seekingreality

1. Women are inundated with emails on this site so you should expect only a very small number to respond to you.
2. Most women will not be quick to provide their phone number or other contact info. You need to build a lot of trust before that happens.
3. Your profile is pretty bad -- it's negative (too many fakes here) and too BDSM-centric. I imagine it turns off a lot of women, and you'd do better by presenting yourself as a human being first.
4. If you're real, the fakes get bored really fast. In fact, that's one of the best ways to spot a fake -- engage with people as human beings first and any flakery is immediately obvious. Real begets real.

Coincidentally, I just received a one-word "Hi" message from a Dom (in his mid-40s).

I was tempted to delete it unread, but this thread came to mind, so OP thanks to you, I took the time to respond. I hate to see anybody get stuck in a state of cluelessness. Plus I get in these funky moods.

"Just to give you a heads up, most women on this site (or on vanilla dating sites as well) don't respond to one-word or one-sentence messages. The last thing we're interested in is a man lacking social skills. You should always personalize your message, by taking note of what's written in a profile and/or Journal Entries. Commenting on pics or the photo gallery is a rather lame approach since it can signify that you are just trawling around to look at nekkid or provocative pics, and don't bother to read profiles. Take a personal interest in a woman. At your age, you should already know this. I happen to have key words specified in my profile, and I would ordinarily delete any message that doesn't contain them.

"Regardless, you have also sent a message to a Domme. I don't interact with Doms unless I've already been introduced to one, and he is an interesting person worth knowing on a strictly platonic basis.

"I am assuming you are new and/or don't know any better, so that's why I took the time to respond. Another tip relevant to subs or any other woman. If you continue exchanging messages, then by the 2nd message, sign off with a name, whatever surname or non-creepy nickname you wish to go by, not some ridiculous Master-Sir-McDomly name either. And be respectful (not that you aren't), unlike many of the other Dominants on this site. Somebody may be submissive or call herself a slave, but that doesn't make her your submissive or slave until you both mutually consent to enter into a D/s relationship dynamic.

"Bon chance."

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RE: How To Tell The Real From The Fakes? - 1/27/2015 8:52:15 AM

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Always dominant? Don't have a boss? Don't have to answer to anyone? Where did you come by this omnipotence?

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ORIGINAL: ChrchofDrk

A fast reply

I find it odd to think that dominance is something I can turn off and on. I simply am dominant in my way of living. For any given situation I choose to what degree I'm dominant. But I don't turn it off and on like a light switch. And it seems too many (so called) submissives aren't truly submissive in any way. Always touting that they're only submissive for their Owner. It's like really. If you don't demonstrate your submission. How can you possibly expect to be taken seriously that you are a submissive?

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RE: How To Tell The Real From The Fakes? - 1/27/2015 8:57:11 AM

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When I hooked up online I talked to her for a couple weeks first and then asked to meet her for dinner. When she showed up I knew she was real. If she hadn't, I would have known she wasn't. After that I got involved with the community and got to know people in real life. Now if I wanted to meet someone I would just go to the local events and do so.

Ok, just perved your profile and have to add. If it becomes a problem, get on a plane and come to Michigan. We can hook you up over here.

oh and just ignore it if I seem to be looking at your profile a lot.

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