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BamaD -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/9/2015 7:53:08 AM)
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ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted
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ORIGINAL: kdsub
igor I believe you and I agree here somewhat that if a radical Christian group based in the US were throwing acid in little girls faces or shooting them in the head....and or....invading a school and murdering helpless little boys and girls... and or...setting bombs in subways killing hundreds...and or...cutting off the heads of journalists....and or... placing bombs on airplanes.... and or... sending suicide bombers into family restaurants...and or... setting off road side bombs... and or...blowing up buildings with thousands of people....There would be a tremendous uproar of not only Christian leaders but Christians themselves. This radical group would receive no aid or indifference from fellow Christians and within days would be pointed out and destroyed or captured.
This is not happening in the Muslim world in my opinion... We are always talking of the tiny minority of Muslims that are radical... but what is also reality is there is but a tiny minority of Muslims willing to aggressively speak out and take action against the radicals among them.
Butch
Where was the outrage of Christians in the mid nineties when Westboro Baptist was openly advocating violence towards the GLBT? As a queer activist in the nineties I regular got hate mail from right wing Christians saying things along the lines that they prayed that I got raped. What made it even more obscene was that I was 15 at the time, and that was an easy to know fact. I was still on Westboro's list of website and queer advocates to attack.
You realize you're equating getting hate E-mail with actual terrorist acts, right? While I realize that getting threatening messages at 15 must have been uncomfortable, it's really not quite the same as getting acid thrown in your face. Advocating violence isn't doing violence. 9/11 wouldn't have been the same if the terrorists had just been advocating flying planes into buildings and sending out nasty messages about it.
In my case it was thankfully just e-mail, they eventually found my city, but thankfully never my name or address. And no matter what it was still illegal and promoting violence. In fact in my case many of them contained direct threats, along with various phishing tactics to try and get my name and/or address.
Beyond westboro, Falwell eventually admitted that his statements and actions regarding LBGT issues could be seen as a justification of violence.
Similar groups directed at abortion, doctors actually died. Clinics have been bombed. The US government counts this as terrorism.
My personal experience is not equal to what happened in France. However, it is still vile, and points to how religion is used to cross the line, and in the case of anti-abortion christian radicals, the death toll and groups responsible are more clearly known.
And along with that admission Falwell condemned that violence.
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