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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I just read about the hard time Cartoonists have in Turkey -- and in general about the censorship worries of authors around the world.

Islamic Extremists hate free speech.

This will probably accelerate the anti-immigration waves sweeping over Europe.

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Savage, cowardly and despicable yes. But we don't know for sure they are extremist "muslims", they are masked with no identifiable features. While they may be extremists it could also be the work of people looking to make muslims look bad and fan the flames of hatred. Only time will tell when they are caught.

Just a coincidence that the newspaper that got shot up practiced free speech, and published cartoons critical of Islam then

As if extremists are the only ones who want to quash free speech. There is just as much of a chance that this is the work of people looking to fan hatred of muslims as it is extremists themselves. If it is the first group I mention, they are counting on gut reaction rather than people sitting back and thinking before reacting. Looks like it's working. This isn't a liberal vs conservative thing by the way, I'll bet there are some conservatives smart enough to wait til there's more info.

The fact that they want to quash free speech makes them extremists, regardless of their affiliation.

True but there is nothing to show that they are affilited with muslim extremists.

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True but there is nothing to show that they are affilited with muslim extremists.

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From Aibo

'The prophet have been avenged' they left yelling when they fled

From me

Is this documented, it would seem to faintly imply that possibly the attackers might have some inclination toward Islamic extremism.

Of course a fair minded person would wait for proof that this wasn't the tea party trying to frame Jihadists.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I just read about the hard time Cartoonists have in Turkey -- and in general about the censorship worries of authors around the world.

Islamic Extremists hate free speech.

This will probably accelerate the anti-immigration waves sweeping over Europe.

Up to now there is nothing that identifies these guys as muslim apart from what they yelled as they left. That simply isn't enough proof for me.

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Just me... but I cannot understand people that for the sake of hate or entertainment and circulation of their product will purposely enrage a group of people. Of course they did not deserve to die for their improprieties but there is a good chance they may have gotten totally innocents killed and must assume some of the blame in this tragedy.

Butch

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Just me... but I cannot understand people that for the sake of hate or entertainment and circulation of their product will purposely enrage a group of people. Of course they did not deserve to die for their improprieties but there is a good chance they may have gotten totally innocents killed and must assume some of the blame in this tragedy.

Butch

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Savage, cowardly and despicable yes. But we don't know for sure they are extremist "muslims", they are masked with no identifiable features. While they may be extremists it could also be the work of people looking to make muslims look bad and fan the flames of hatred. Only time will tell when they are caught.

Just a coincidence that the newspaper that got shot up practiced free speech, and published cartoons critical of Islam then

As if extremists are the only ones who want to quash free speech. There is just as much of a chance that this is the work of people looking to fan hatred of muslims as it is extremists themselves. If it is the first group I mention, they are counting on gut reaction rather than people sitting back and thinking before reacting. Looks like it's working. This isn't a liberal vs conservative thing by the way, I'll bet there are some conservatives smart enough to wait til there's more info.

Just as much of a chance? Bullshit.

"I am not afraid of retaliation. I have no kids, no wife, no car, no credit. It perhaps sounds a bit pompous, but I prefer to die standing than living on my knees."
--Charb, one of the cartoonists killed today

How would the cartoonists want to be remembered? If it was me, I would want my work to outlive every one of those masked cowards.

For Charlie Hebdo...

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Mohammad and his concubine reading the morning paper.

Ummm that says something about one of the guys who was murdered. It tells us nothing about the guys who murdered him....but rock on. The bit at the bottom of the post says quite a lot about you though, you strike me as exactly the kind of person someone looking to get people inflamed towards muslims would be aiming towards. Again, looks like it worked.

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I always thought that the correct response was to not buy their publication.

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This served no purpose... why insult good peaceful people just to say you have the right to do it... knowing the history of the radical element in Islam and put innocents in danger?

Butch

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I always thought that the correct response was to not buy their publication.

Yes among civilized people...but reality says otherwise and they should have known they were playing with fire. Remember their representation of Islam deities was an insult to millions of Muslims for no good reasons other than to poke a stick at an enraged animal.

This served no purpose... why insult good peaceful people just to say you have the right to do it... knowing the history of the radical element in Islam would put innocents in danger?

I am not defending in any way the animals that killed these people but if my daughter was a secretary or a passerby and was killed i would be furious at BOTH the killers and the assholes that provoked it...how about you?

Butch

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I always thought that the correct response was to not buy their publication.

Yes among civilized people...but reality says otherwise and they should have known they were playing with fire. Remember their representation of Islam deities was an insult to millions of Muslims for no good reasons other than to poke a stick at an enraged animal.

This served no purpose... why insult good peaceful people just to say you have the right to do it... knowing the history of the radical element in Islam would put innocents in danger?

I am not defending in any way the animals that killed these people but if my daughter was a secretary or a passerby and was killed i would be furious at BOTH the killers and the assholes that provoked it...how about you?

Butch

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I rather applaud hot4bondage here, because he did trigger just the kind of brainless reaction that is at the bottom of the problem here.
Free speech and a society where we are allowed to speak our mind is at the core of everything here, and you who are sexual deviates should be the first to understand why it is so incredibly important to defend that.

This include the right for any Islamist to have his view, to discuss it with his friends, regardless of how extreme it might be.
But nobody have the right to force their view on anybody else.
If anyone start to tamper with that, for any reason including a 'politically correct one' then the country or society have given up.
.....and I will never give up to violence or murder!