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BamaD -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/7/2015 5:37:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Bama you will not find me among those that think just because millions of Muslims are peaceful this absolves them of all responsibility of these terrorists acts. I personally think Islam in general by its very nature and teachings breeds terrorism more so then other religions. But i will not blame the vast majority of Muslims for the specific acts of terrorists. But what I believe, and will take the heat for, is my belief that peaceful Muslims do not do enough to stamp out radicals in their religion. Radicalism cannot exist on the scale it has manifested itself today without help, indifference and denial of responsibility by the leaders of the religion. Butch I agree that if more peace loving Muslims would speak out against the radicals it would help to keep the terrorist attacks under some degree of control. But Muslims living in the Middle East, and those that have immigrated from there have lived for many years knowing, or at least believing, that if they speak out against the radicals their lives, and the lives of their families will quite likely be targeted. Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe that is why more of them don't speak out, and living with that kind of fear, I could understand their silence. I think you see their situation, particularly those in the middle east.

kdsub -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/7/2015 5:42:00 PM)
I am sorry peon but you are wrong... Dang it… I wish you all would quit being so racist… These poor men are just insane… not terrorists… I mean come on… in Australia a tortured mentally ill Muslim, not responsible for his actions, murdered two innocents… Surely you can see how killing 12 must mean they are REALLY not responsible for their actions… come lets hold hands and sing…Kumbaya. We all know these noble men were driven insane by the Zionists and their lackeys …American oil hungry Imperialists. No wonder they lashed out… come lets sing the second verse. I hope the American red necked Christians out for Muslim blood see how the French and German citizens react to the poor tortured men’s actions of reaching out for help against the imperialistic infidels of this world. They would never react with anger… they will all take to the streets and hug every Muslim they can find… you will see… Now come the refrain… harmonize… all together now……. Butch

Sanity -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/7/2015 5:48:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Speaking of which, it might be as well to stop and think for a bit about whether we have, in fact, grasped 'reality' when it comes to Islamist terrorism. See, one thesis has it that the purpose of such acts is to provoke a backlash against not just Islamists but all those claiming to represent the Muslim faith. This would radicalise (especially young) Muslims who've hitherto been moderate. Once radicalised, of course, they now have a 'home' to go, in ISIS. Either that, or they could be welcomed into the arms of Al Quaeda .... Given that, yep, the terrorists and those on the extreme right who stand against them do have one, very crucial, aim in common: to get everyone else to see the world as they both do: as one mass population of 'right-thinking good people' against another mass population of 'wrong-thinking bad people'. Even your own words help to establish how it is the leftists of the world who are determined to dehumanize and / or diminish those who disagree with them, as the Islamists do

ElChupa -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/7/2015 5:51:29 PM)
c'mon, man. RELIGION OF PEACE! Say it over and over and over again. Yup, it's sill nonsense isn't it? EVERYWHERE in the world where the muslim population comes in contact with western society, there is conflict. AND IT'S OUR FAULT! http://cdn.collarchat.com/micons/m27.gif WAKE UP? Where are these so-called "moderates" anyway? Have you ever met or knew of a muslim moderate? ME NEITHER. Even your hero 0bama, aka "The Big Zero," isn't a moderate muslim.

cloudboy -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/7/2015 5:59:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB My husband knows some of the journalists that works within those offices. Last summer he visited their building and said they had armed police on the door who scrutinized his papers before letting him in. You can't run a political piss take magazine without consequences or risk, every journalist and political cartoonist knows that. They have already been fire bombed and they have been getting death threats for some time now. At least two of the cartoonists had private body guards and everyone was aware that it was just a matter of time and opportunity before something else happened. I'm sure nobody imagined it could be anything as horrific as this and that whatever it was, that they hopefully had enough protection. Personally I don't like Charlie Hebdo because in my mind it steps too near the mark, especially recently but like I said, I have the right to be offended and if I'm offended I won't continue to view the content that offends me. The beauty of living in the west is, we have the rights of choice. WOW, I didn't know that. This is all very hard for me to comprehend.

BamaD -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/7/2015 6:38:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ElChupa c'mon, man. RELIGION OF PEACE! Say it over and over and over again. Yup, it's sill nonsense isn't it? EVERYWHERE in the world where the muslim population comes in contact with western society, there is conflict. AND IT'S OUR FAULT! http://cdn.collarchat.com/micons/m27.gif WAKE UP? Where are these so-called "moderates" anyway? Have you ever met or knew of a muslim moderate? ME NEITHER. Even your hero 0bama, aka "The Big Zero," isn't a moderate muslim. Yes, I have, several in fact. Trust me Obama isn't my hero. As for the terrorist faction of Islam, only death will stop them.

PeonForHer -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/7/2015 6:42:34 PM)
quote: That is right use a terrorist attack to slam people who oppose the terrorists, real class. Missed by a thousand miles, Bama. I focused on the extreme right who oppose terrorists and lump all others of a group - in this case Muslims - in with them in so doing. What is the matter with your comprehension? I specifically pointed out that what was wrong was to let it turn into one mass of people against another. Given that, why would I oppose all people (as you imply) who oppose the terrorists?

PeonForHer -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/7/2015 6:44:45 PM)
quote: Even your own words help to establish how it is the leftists of the world who are determined to dehumanize and / or diminish those who disagree with them, as the Islamists do Drivel.

BamaD -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/7/2015 6:46:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: That is right use a terrorist attack to slam people who oppose the terrorists, real class. Missed by a thousand miles, Bama. I focused on the extreme right who oppose terrorists and lump all others of a group - in this case Muslims - in with them. What is the matter with your comprehension? I specifically pointed out that what was wrong was to let it turn into one mass of people against another. Given that, why would I oppose all people (as you imply) who oppose the terrorists? Of course not, only those on the right. And you said the right, not the extreme right.

PeonForHer -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/7/2015 6:48:29 PM)
No, I said the 'extreme right'. Read it again.

Lucylastic -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/7/2015 6:49:46 PM)
you might wanna edit that bama

BamaD -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/7/2015 6:52:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer No, I said the 'extreme right'. Read it again. Sorry, of course you often seem to consider anyone to the right of Trotsky to be extreme.

LiveSpark -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/7/2015 6:53:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic you might wanna edit that bama Don't hold your breath Lucy.

Lucylastic -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/7/2015 6:54:17 PM)
bloody idiot cant even read...or admit he cant

BamaD -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/7/2015 6:54:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LiveSpark quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic you might wanna edit that bama Don't hold your breath Lucy. I acknowledged to have misread in advance of your snark.

PeonForHer -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/7/2015 6:57:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer No, I said the 'extreme right'. Read it again. Sorry, of course you often seem to consider anyone to the right of Trotsky to be extreme. I'd only seem that way to someone who can't read, can't think, or both. Still, apology accepted. [:)]

BamaD -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/7/2015 6:59:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer No, I said the 'extreme right'. Read it again. Sorry, of course you often seem to consider anyone to the right of Trotsky to be extreme. I'd only seem that way to someone who can't read, can't think, or both. Still, apology accepted. [:)] I forgot to mention your condescending attitude.

BamaD -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/7/2015 7:05:48 PM)
FR Any confirmation on the capture/death of the terrorists

Marini -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/7/2015 7:06:30 PM)
Most of these conversations are so sad, especially after the terrorist attack in France. The real fight should be against terrorism/terrorists, but as usual the "focus" seems to be more about the typical left vs. right blame game. I think all hell could be breaking out all over the world. and these same factions will sit and argue over left vs. right viewpoints, than FIGHT against the enemy. Do you think the terrorists give a damn about "saving"/or "sparing" either those on the left or those on the right? 5 pages so far, of basically the same crap. I am still "waiting" on a plan of action. Oh! that will never happen, carry on. WTF

Lucylastic -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/7/2015 7:06:57 PM)
no le monde says no oh dammit never mind

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