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kdsub -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/9/2015 4:28:17 PM)
I know you saw... but I did not know you were going to mention it... I made the change before you posted... see what I mean. Now if you made your post and i went back and changed mine after you posted then you would have something to bitch about... but that was not the case. I am not talking about the time stamp on the satire... I mean the stamp on the post I changed... I think you are confusing the two. Butch

Politesub53 -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/9/2015 4:32:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I know you saw... but I did not know you were going to mention it... I made the change before you posted... see what I mean. Now if you made your post and i went back and changed mine after you posted then you would have something to bitch about... but that was not the case. Butch Liar.......... Your first claim was I didnt see your post. "Check the time stamp... you did not read it before posting ...but yes I did change it... I see the error of my ways now and then." See what I mean.[8\|]

kdsub -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/9/2015 4:32:44 PM)
Fuck you ... go back and read my posts

Kirata -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/9/2015 4:34:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Try using a credible source about London. You are posting bullshit again. One in seven young Britons has sympathy with Isis cause ~The Times K.

PeonForHer -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/9/2015 4:38:27 PM)
quote: Something else they have in common is that they are taught they would be very handsomely rewarded by Allah for their killing Taught from a very young age, in many cases They aren't, apparently. In fact the average Jihadist is more likely to have a superficial belief in Islam in general, while the most devout of Muslims tend to be the most peaceable. And they aren't radicalised till their teen years at least, typically. See e.g. http://dougsaunders.net/2013/04/muslim-immigrants-terrorists-jihad-terrorism/

kdsub -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/9/2015 4:38:30 PM)
I edited my post 235 at 4:53:35... You posted the not funny post at 4:57:46... I had already changed it 4 minutes before you posted. In post 239 I asked you to look at the time stamps and admitted It was my error. The time stamp is what I said you did not read not the post. Now how did I lie

DaddySatyr -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/9/2015 8:03:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Muse your statement is like saying a cold is as bad as Ebola... Yes people do die of a cold... but a hell of a lot more die from Ebola...How many abortion clinics can you list bombed and abortion doctors shot? Then compare them to Islamic violence... There is a difference and I don't think cherry picking is a good analogy. But again...one evil does not justify another... and in this thread we are talking about the other. Butch No, Butch. My point was completely missed by that poster. The point being that when a Christian says: "I think homosexuality is a sin and I believe that sinners go to hell, when they die", there is a certain contingent that gets on their high horse and starts spouting the evils of all Christians that even deign to *think* that way. When a Muslim decides it's time for his 72 virgins and lops off a few heads, we're treated to a few choruses of: "It's not the poor, misunderstood, madman's fault." The same people that would call for the obliteration of a Westboro Baptist (before we get too far afield, their behavior is disgusting), are the same people that preach "tolerance" when some peaceful Muslim follows what's in his book and shows no mercy to infidels. For some reason, these days, it's very politically correct to love the little Shar'iaists (Maybe it's blow-back from the anti-Semitism). Michael

Musicmystery -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/9/2015 8:07:24 PM)
quote: When a Muslim decides it's time for his 72 virgins and lops off a few heads, we're treated to a few choruses of: "It's not the poor, misunderstood, madman's fault." You're just making up shit again. Who's saying that? Where? quote: For some reason, these days, it's very politically correct to love the little Shar'iaists (Maybe it's blow-back from the anti-Semitism). Only in your own head. What is being said is that going from that to "The Muslims are coming! The Muslims are coming!" is bullshit. Calling out the Islamophobia shit is hardly a focus on coddling terrorist for PC reasons. Do you read what you post before you click "OK"?

Sanity -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/9/2015 11:59:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Something else they have in common is that they are taught they would be very handsomely rewarded by Allah for their killing Taught from a very young age, in many cases They aren't, apparently. In fact the average Jihadist is more likely to have a superficial belief in Islam in general, while the most devout of Muslims tend to be the most peaceable. And they aren't radicalised till their teen years at least, typically. See e.g. http://dougsaunders.net/2013/04/muslim-immigrants-terrorists-jihad-terrorism/ dougsaunders.net?

Sanity -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 12:03:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Muse your statement is like saying a cold is as bad as Ebola... Yes people do die of a cold... but a hell of a lot more die from Ebola...How many abortion clinics can you list bombed and abortion doctors shot? Then compare them to Islamic violence... There is a difference and I don't think cherry picking is a good analogy. But again...one evil does not justify another... and in this thread we are talking about the other. Butch No, Butch. My point was completely missed by that poster. The point being that when a Christian says: "I think homosexuality is a sin and I believe that sinners go to hell, when they die", there is a certain contingent that gets on their high horse and starts spouting the evils of all Christians that even deign to *think* that way. When a Muslim decides it's time for his 72 virgins and lops off a few heads, we're treated to a few choruses of: "It's not the poor, misunderstood, madman's fault." The same people that would call for the obliteration of a Westboro Baptist (before we get too far afield, their behavior is disgusting), are the same people that preach "tolerance" when some peaceful Muslim follows what's in his book and shows no mercy to infidels. For some reason, these days, it's very politically correct to love the little Shar'iaists (Maybe it's blow-back from the anti-Semitism). Michael Its surprising how its the leftist droolers who suck their ass, being the leftist droolers would be the first ones buried alive or crucified or have their heads severed were the jihadis to get their way

epiphiny43 -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 12:24:30 AM)
For another group of people pretty upset about the French terrorists: http://news.yahoo.com/french-imams-rail-against-crazies-seized-religion-232602712.html This are the Muslims there who all the murderous right wingers (Here and in the EU) want to just slaughter to save Western Civilization? As many Imans and common people are saying, the crazies are hijacking their religion, and that No true Muslim looks to kill to honor the Prophet or avenge perceived insults with bullets. Public Radio today had reporters interviewing Muslim demonstrators in Paris carrying signs reading, "Je Suis Charlie". A lady had a home made poster, "Je Suis Islam, Je Suis Charlie." Which somehow isn't making the Evening News, US papers or on Faux News anywhere. Which probably means it never happened?

NorthernGent -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 3:32:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Why is it up to outside powers to "weed them out" not just at your local level but internationally At my local level, in England murderers and would-be murderers don't always give themselves up to justice, and so we have a police force and legal system charged with administering matters of murder (weeding them out). By extension, neither do we assume it is the reponsibility of some bloke down the street to apprehend or account for some other bloke three streets away, the religion to which these two blokes adhere is deemed to be irrelevant when passing judgement on the term 'aiding and abetting'. Theyre not the same as random ordinary murderers, they proudly preach their deadly ideology to all who will listen They are not by their nature secretive, they are fanatical The motive for murder certainly distinguishes them from most murders, but it's murder all the same. And, contrary to your misconception, they are secretive enough to go unhindered by the authorities. Regardless, in a rational sense one of perhaps 4 or 5 cornerstones of democracy is the principle of 'innocent until proven guilty', and by extension there is no reason for someone to 'weed out' a murderer simply because they share religious beliefs (and, furthermore, clearly their religious beliefs are not always consistent).

PeonForHer -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 3:40:35 AM)
quote: For another group of people pretty upset about the French terrorists: http://news.yahoo.com/french-imams-rail-against-crazies-seized-religion-232602712.html "Hezbollah leader says Muslim extremists harm Islam more than those who published satirical cartoons" This, from a designated Muslim terrorist leader. http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/09/hezbollah-leader-says-muslim-extremists-harm-islam-more-than-those-who-published-satirical-cartoons/

NorthernGent -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 4:07:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Like most "liberals" you live to spew ignorance To the outside observer you are a liberal, Sanity. You're in the some mould as Tony Blair, Bill Clinton and George Bush. All liberal interventionists with slightly varying motives. Liberalism, Globalisation and the advent of science were ideas and practices wedded to one another, and it certainly isn't a conservative philosophy to think it's a good idea to invade foreign countries because people in those countries need to be changed (it's a liberal idea). There are a few things that I believe that make me a liberal at heart, but none of them have anything to do with this thread. Arguing that it's a good idea to apply reason when talking about these situations, that reason being the percentage of muslims involved in terrorist activities, and applying solutions accordingly, as opposed to suggesting they're all responsible; doesn't automatically render someone liberal or conservative, nor does reactionary politics mean someone is necessarily liberal or conservative. It simply makes you and some others unreasonable, and that certainly isn't the preserve of Liberalism or Conservatism.

DaddySatyr -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 5:03:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent To the outside observer you are a liberal, Sanity. You're in the some mould as Tony Blair, Bill Clinton and George Bush. All liberal interventionists with slightly varying motives. Liberalism, Globalisation and the advent of science were ideas and practices wedded to one another, and it certainly isn't a conservative philosophy to think it's a good idea to invade foreign countries because people in those countries need to be changed (it's a liberal idea). There are a few things that I believe that make me a liberal at heart, but none of them have anything to do with this thread. Arguing that it's a good idea to apply reason when talking about these situations, that reason being the percentage of muslims involved in terrorist activities, and applying solutions accordingly, as opposed to suggesting they're all responsible; doesn't automatically render someone liberal or conservative, nor does reactionary politics mean someone is necessarily liberal or conservative. It simply makes you and some others unreasonable, and that certainly isn't the preserve of Liberalism or Conservatism. I agree with a good portion of your post. It's interesting that you threw in the three people that you did whereas, on this side of the pond, you wouldn't find a liberal observer worth their salt that would claim Bush or Blair. Your last paragraph ... quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent Arguing that it's a good idea to apply reason when talking about these situations, that reason being the percentage of muslims involved in terrorist activities, and applying solutions accordingly, as opposed to suggesting they're all responsible; doesn't automatically render someone liberal or conservative, nor does reactionary politics mean someone is necessarily liberal or conservative. It simply makes you and some others unreasonable, and that certainly isn't the preserve of Liberalism or Conservatism. ... brought a couple of darker thoughts to mind. The worst amongst them is that the terrorists are winning. I have never been one to pre-judge, based upon appearance but I know when I see a young, bearded man, wearing a burka, these days, my antennae go up. I start looking around, a little bit more. While, intellectually I realize that not every Muslim is out to do damage, I think I'd be a fool to not acknowledge that there's a chance that something could happen. It saddens and abashes me that I have come to feel this way but it is a sign of the times in which we live. Why do we suppose that is? True enough, lots of other religious practitioners don't have specific accoutrements that can identify them, neither are they involved in the heinous acts that seem to pervade the the extreme end of the Muslim spectrum. The terrorists are winning. I feel bad for the millions of people of Islamic faith that do not fall into the extremist category. I am sure that incidents like these make their lives a bit less comfortable (at some of the best of the bad times) all the way up to un-livable. Doesn't that almost behoove them (as some others have suggested) to be a bit more pro-active when it comes to identifying and eradicating some of the more extreme elements of their faith? Yes I'm aware that a good portion can't because of where they live, etc. but on 11 SEP. 2001, I saw the Muslims, here, dancing for joy, when the towers fell. What are we infidels to think? The terrorists are winning. Michael

Lucylastic -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 5:08:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: epiphiny43 For another group of people pretty upset about the French terrorists: http://news.yahoo.com/french-imams-rail-against-crazies-seized-religion-232602712.html This are the Muslims there who all the murderous right wingers (Here and in the EU) want to just slaughter to save Western Civilization? As many Imans and common people are saying, the crazies are hijacking their religion, and that No true Muslim looks to kill to honor the Prophet or avenge perceived insults with bullets. Public Radio today had reporters interviewing Muslim demonstrators in Paris carrying signs reading, "Je Suis Charlie". A lady had a home made poster, "Je Suis Islam, Je Suis Charlie." Which somehow isn't making the Evening News, US papers or on Faux News anywhere. Which probably means it never happened? Neither is# JeSUISAhmed, the muslim cop who was executed in the street by the killers. 'He died defending the right to ridicule his faith': France unites behind #JeSuisAhmed on Twitter in tribute to Muslim officer slain by fanatics as he begged for his life. Gunmen stormed office in Paris with guns and rocket-propelled grenades Police officers Ahmed Merabet and Franck Brinsolaro killed in the attack Shocking footage showed Mr Merabet being executed in the street He was a 42-year-old bicycle patrolman, who also happened to be Muslim Tributes have poured in for the 'heroic' officer killed in the line of duty Under the rallying cry of 'I am Ahmed', thousands have shown solidarity Some pointed out he died protecting those who poked fun at his religion Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2901681/Hero-police-officer-executed-street-married-42-year-old-Muslim-assigned-patrol-Paris-neighbourhood-Charlie-Hebdo-offices-located.html#ixzz3OQJPcjR0 If this means I support Islam, Eat a dick (not directed at Epiphany)

thishereboi -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 5:47:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD FR It has been reported that the 18 year old who surrendered had already been convicted of terrorism in France, why was he out walking around? Can someone tell him he is talking nonsense, since he has me on hide (allegedly) The kid was at school all day yesterday and handed himself in to local police when he saw his name on social media. First tell us which part is bullshit. That the kid surrendered or that he has a past criminal history? Fuck you.... Try something radical like reading the news, or using google. I did, before I posted. And yeah, Bamas claim is bullshit. So in other words once again you are not going to back up the bullshit that flows so freely from your keyboard. What a shock.

Sanity -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 6:40:38 AM)
What are the odds that she was Jewish or Christian quote: Maiduguri (Nigeria) (AFP) - A suicide bomb attack by a young girl thought to be as young as 10 in the northeast Nigerian city of Maiduguri killed 19 people, police said on Saturday. Someone wrote earlier that the terrorists (Islamists) are "winning" So this must be what winning looks like

MariaB -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 6:51:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery You talk like all terrorism is islamic. it ain't. <snip> Quote all you like... but tell me where I said that. I didn't. What I did claim was that Islamics have single-handedly instilled more fear factor than anyone or anything else. I have never said that all terrorism is Islamic - that's your words, not mine. That is your perception based on how the media want you to feel. What is your definition of terrorism? would you consider Russia fighting the Ukraines a terrorist attack?. Do you consider the attacks from the west on various countries in the middle east terrorist attacks?

NorthernGent -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 7:04:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I agree with a good portion of your post. It's interesting that you threw in the three people that you did whereas, on this side of the pond, you wouldn't find a liberal observer worth their salt that would claim Bush or Blair. They probably wouldn't, but how many liberals do you know who think it's a good idea to go into places in Africa and the like, because they need Western help? Plenty I'd imagine. In terms of what this 'help' constitutes it doesn't really matter, whether it's to be changed or to prop up a pro-Western government or to allieviate suffering of one kind or another: to all intents and purposes it is a liberal way of doing things. Only, there have always been liberal interventionists and liberal non-interventionists. Bush, Blair, Clinton and associates belong with the former crowd. quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr The worst amongst them is that the terrorists are winning. I have never been one to pre-judge, based upon appearance but I know when I see a young, bearded man, wearing a burka, these days, my antennae go up. I start looking around, a little bit more. They're 'winning' in the sense publishers will think twice before commenting on Islam. A small part of a much bigger picture. But, what are their wider objectives? I'd imagine the West to stay out of muslim countries and I'd concede that they would like to promote and further Islam. They are certainly not 'winning' in terms of the West staying out of muslim countries, and contrary to the popular misconception among some on this thread Islam is not being furthered, certainly not in England. Believe me, people retire to the pub not the mosque and that's not about to change any time soon. quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr While, intellectually I realize that not every Muslim is out to do damage, I think I'd be a fool to not acknowledge that there's a chance that something could happen. It saddens and abashes me that I have come to feel this way but it is a sign of the times in which we live. I'm not fully sure what you mean here, though there is certainly a chance of something happening as the evidence tells us this but the evidence tells us that, in my estimate, statistically you have more chance of winning a few million quid on the lottery than you have of being caught up in any terrorist activity. quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Why do we suppose that is? True enough, lots of other religious practitioners don't have specific accoutrements that can identify them, neither are they involved in the heinous acts that seem to pervade the the extreme end of the Muslim spectrum. The culture is different in the West. In England we had our fill of religious strife in the 17th century and so the like of John Locke came up with a solution. As such, we went through a process of Liberalism, Nationalism (at the expense of sectarian divides) and Individualism. This means that while we are no longer likely to have our arms ripped off on a wheel or being drowned for witch activities, we are subject to other motives for murder. You are far, far more likely to be the subject of a murder due to non-religious motives than you are to religious motives, in England. Does it really matter what the motive for murder is? When you consider that the whole point of a community and government is to engender peace and prosperity? These are far from the only people running around with no regard whatsoever for the community. quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I saw the Muslims, here, dancing for joy, when the towers fell. That surprises me and I'd like to know more. Whereabouts and how many were involved?

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