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Musicmystery -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 10:35:47 AM)
How do you know they aren't actually aliens from Pluto? [8\|]

MariaB -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 10:37:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB Yep, I know lots of Muslims and no, not a single one, as far as I'm aware hold militant ideologies. How do you know if they would never say such things to a non-Muslim, unless you are a Muslim? And if I was would you hold it against me?!?!

MariaB -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 10:39:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB Yep, I know lots of Muslims and no, not a single one, as far as I'm aware hold militant ideologies. About 10% of the Muslims I know do. It is not unreasonable to think FD knows more, and his may be more brazen. Since you're both commonly full of crap, I'm going with that as the most likely reality. Ockham's Razor and all that. Why do you think I'm full of crap?

Musicmystery -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 10:39:57 AM)
Bama and FD, not you. You I believe. I too know 100s of Muslims (mostly through the colleges), and not a fundamentalist among them.

BamaD -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 10:44:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB Yep, I know lots of Muslims and no, not a single one, as far as I'm aware hold militant ideologies. How do you know if they would never say such things to a non-Muslim, unless you are a Muslim? And if I was would you hold it against me?!?! No, if you look at my posts you will see that I have said the vast majority of Muslims I know are good people. I only have hostility against those who would kill just because I am not a Muslim. And if you are one of the moderate Muslims they would kill you as well with no more remorse. I know for example that more moderate Muslims have been killed by these degenerates than non-Muslims.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 10:52:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB What has unfolded over the last few days in France is horrific and regardless of what FD's Muslim friends say, moderate Muslims will be just as horrified by this act as the rest of us. Yes, they are equally horrified. But, they still say that death is justified - regardless of who actually carried it out. Who is "they" and who are they saying this to? Local Muslims - to me. Unfortunately, I didn't film it for your benefit. It happened whether you like to believe it or not. quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB quote: There's the difference between many Islamics (and not all, before you jump the gun), and other groups of people. And you are saying we should disregard Muslim views because some moderates disagree with their own kind? I posit they are saying that to the media to shift blame. But under their breath they are glad that Islam, their prophet, and their Quran have been avenged. Or so you like to believe. The reality is, you have little to no evidence of this...its as simple as, that is what you believe. Yes, I believe it because I was told it by Muslims local to me. quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB quote: And don't say it isn't so because I've had that said to me first hand from local people that I know. And how do you know that the Muslims you know aren't fundamentalists? I know a lot more Muslims than you do and none of them share this view. Even if they felt it they would never speak it; certainly not to a none Muslim. And you know for certain that you know more Muslims than I do? That would be your unsupported PoV. And, of course, you are dead sure that they would never speak to a non-Muslim about such matters. You don't know my neighbours here, so that comment is unsubstantiated. I have lived amongst them in several places, including where I am now. I know many of them very well. My kids went to school with their kids. And recently (as of late yesterday afternoon) spent more than an hour chatting with them specifically about the French incident. That is where my info is coming from. That is where my Muslim comments are coming from. Not the media. Not websites. Real life living people. If you don't like what was relayed to me by my local community, that would be your problem, not mine.

MariaB -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 10:55:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Bama and FD, not you. You I believe. I too know 100s of Muslims (mostly through the colleges), and not a fundamentalist among them. Ok sorry, its just you quoted my post in with that other one and then said both of you [:)] I've lived and worked in large Muslim communities and I have ties with the Middle East. I'm not a Muslim but I have a relationship of sorts with the Muslim community (its complicated). What I have learnt over the years is, Muslim people are very unlikely to speak about their ideologies with none Muslim people. In fact, the type of Muslim who follows the written word to the letter is far less likely to interact on a personal level with any none Muslims because they're strong beliefs keep them within what they consider, they're own tidy category. Those who happily do mix with us certainly don't want to encourage resentment or bring attention to themselves by stating stupid things and that is why, like you, I don't believe all these Muslims FD supposedly knows are spouting off about a job well done.

MariaB -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 11:00:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD No, if you look at my posts you will see that I have said the vast majority of Muslims I know are good people. I only have hostility against those who would kill just because I am not a Muslim. And if you are one of the moderate Muslims they would kill you as well with no more remorse. I know for example that more moderate Muslims have been killed by these degenerates than non-Muslims. Yes I know and I'm sorry. You do come over as an open minded and empathic sort of guy. I'm just getting jumpy. Perhaps its time I left this thread.

BamaD -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 11:57:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD No, if you look at my posts you will see that I have said the vast majority of Muslims I know are good people. I only have hostility against those who would kill just because I am not a Muslim. And if you are one of the moderate Muslims they would kill you as well with no more remorse. I know for example that more moderate Muslims have been killed by these degenerates than non-Muslims. Yes I know and I'm sorry. You do come over as an open minded and empathic sort of guy. I'm just getting jumpy. Perhaps its time I left this thread. Understandable, many people jump to extremes on these threads, if you let them get to you, you will not be able to function on here.

Politesub53 -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 4:31:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I edited my post 235 at 4:53:35... You posted the not funny post at 4:57:46... I had already changed it 4 minutes before you posted. In post 239 I asked you to look at the time stamps and admitted It was my error. The time stamp is what I said you did not read not the post. Now how did I lie Not so, as I have already explained ........ but no matter....... You have mail Butch.

Politesub53 -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 4:32:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Something else they have in common is that they are taught they would be very handsomely rewarded by Allah for their killing Taught from a very young age, in many cases They aren't, apparently. In fact the average Jihadist is more likely to have a superficial belief in Islam in general, while the most devout of Muslims tend to be the most peaceable. And they aren't radicalised till their teen years at least, typically. See e.g. http://dougsaunders.net/2013/04/muslim-immigrants-terrorists-jihad-terrorism/ dougsaunders.net? sanity.post ?

Politesub53 -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 4:36:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Try using a credible source about London. You are posting bullshit again. One in seven young Britons has sympathy with Isis cause ~The Times K. Since when has 1 in 7 equalled 80%. If you are going to troll at least get your facts right. [8\|]

Politesub53 -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 4:57:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi So in other words once again you are not going to back up the bullshit that flows so freely from your keyboard. What a shock. No you fuckwit, all I am not doing is a google search on your behalf. Although I may be tempted to if you keep trolling. Since I am in a generous mood though, search the younger brothers name and "school"

Politesub53 -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 5:00:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD FR It has been reported that the 18 year old who surrendered had already been convicted of terrorism in France, why was he out walking around? Can someone tell him he is talking nonsense, since he has me on hide (allegedly) The kid was at school all day yesterday and handed himself in to local police when he saw his name on social media. First tell us which part is bullshit. That the kid surrendered or that he has a past criminal history? Fuck you.... Try something radical like reading the news, or using google. I did, before I posted. And yeah, Bamas claim is bullshit. So in other words once again you are not going to back up the bullshit that flows so freely from your keyboard. What a shock. An intelligent person would note that I said there was a report, not that it was a fact. An intelligent person would have done the same as me, and check before posting bullshit. Especially someone who claimed he was from the intelligence community. [8\|]

Politesub53 -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 5:02:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB What has unfolded over the last few days in France is horrific and regardless of what FD's Muslim friends say, moderate Muslims will be just as horrified by this act as the rest of us. What we in Europe should be aware of is, the same model of propaganda against immigrants (particularly Muslims) is presently being used by our governments and popular press as the propaganda machine of post WW2 Germany against the Jews and gypsies. The Muslims don't frighten me but the propaganda spin and the way people believe it scares the hell out of me. A good post well stated Maria. Kudos

Politesub53 -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 5:05:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB Yep, I know lots of Muslims and no, not a single one, as far as I'm aware hold militant ideologies. About 10% of the Muslims I know do. It is not unreasonable to think FD knows more, and his may be more brazen. So thats 90% who dont then ?

Lucylastic -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 5:26:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: This amazing how many people are talking extermination of Islam "Good Christians" all of em, UGH Lucy... I must admit i do not read every post... but who is saying this... come to think of it there is one but he posts and no one answers him knowing he is outside reality...but you did use the plural . Butch I didnt mention anyone on here, it was in response to what maria said...I usually am not shy of being directly pointing people out on their POV. It was a general comment on a lot of the research ive been doing, different countries, different media, different social media. That being said...Read what Maria said, and how it related.

thishereboi -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 7:02:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi So in other words once again you are not going to back up the bullshit that flows so freely from your keyboard. What a shock. No you fuckwit, all I am not doing is a google search on your behalf. Although I may be tempted to if you keep trolling. Since I am in a generous mood though, search the younger brothers name and "school" I did at the time asshole and it said the kid surrendered and they thought he had a past record. That's why I asked in the first place you twatwaffle. So like bama said it was reported that the 18 year old had surrendered and it was thought that he had a record. Now you haven't come up with what exactly you found wrong with that so I can only assume you are talking out of your ass once again. What a shock.

Sanity -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 7:28:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: This amazing how many people are talking extermination of Islam "Good Christians" all of em, UGH Lucy... I must admit i do not read every post... but who is saying this... come to think of it there is one but he posts and no one answers him knowing he is outside reality...but you did use the plural . Butch I didnt mention anyone on here, it was in response to what maria said...I usually am not shy of being directly pointing people out on their POV. It was a general comment on a lot of the research ive been doing, different countries, different media, different social media. That being said...Read what Maria said, and how it related. Ironic that while "Good Christians" talk about exterminating all Muslims in crazy lucys imagination, Muslim fundamentalists ("good Muslims") really are exterminating everyone who isnt just like them in several places around the globe

tweakabelle -> RE: 12 dead in Paris (1/10/2015 7:34:14 PM)
Some posters here are making a lot of noise about the claimed 'silence' of 'moderate' Muslims, who are accused of failing to denounce the extremists in terms vitriolic enough to satisfy our own right wing extremists and Islamophobes. This claim is wrong on so many levels, least of all the obvious one that many Muslims do denounce publicly and loudly the actions of AQ and IS and the like. It is ironic (and the irony is far from lost on moderate Muslims) that the only time their views are consulted and called for are when it suits Westerners. The views of moderate Muslims are routinely ignored by Westerners on many important issues eg the ongoing Occupation of Palestine, the invasion of Iraq the wisdom of Western military interventions in the Muslim world to name just a few. One of my Muslim students pointed out the enormous differential in the value of Western and Muslim lives. The outrages in France have rightly made headlines across the world, yet when Muslims die, there's barely a whisper, she stated. More people die in a single day in Iraq or Syria than have died in France yet where is the condemnation? The Israelis kill Palestinians like they were flies without even a hint of condemnation from the West - indeed all too often we hear the West supporting Israel's supposed 'right' to defend itself by butchering Palestinians. See the recent conflict in Gaza for one example. It seems undeniable that there is a vast difference in the value of Muslim lives and Western lives. From a Muslim POV, this appears like rank hypocrisy. Would Muslims be more responsive to Western demands if they felt that their lives were valued as highly as Western lives or if the West listened to and acted upon their voices on issues that are important to them?

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