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Where did that come from... We just do not know what went down... I said she shot through the door carelessly... But she could have called and the husband wanted to scare her... It would make a difference don't you think?

How do you know she shot through the door carelessly, if you don't know what went down? Are you saying that shooting through a closed door is always careless? Or, was her shooting through the door careless because he's okay even though she shot him?
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I seems to me that right is also a regulation...and no reason we the people can't decide what regulations we want. And of course we do have that right but it seems the majority of elected officials, and their electorate, do not want more and safer regulations. So it is up to folks like Muse and me to keep pointing out the outrageous and deadly results of the regulations that exist today and hope we can change minds.

You analyzed the situation, yet, others can't?

One of the first things ANY responsible gun owner or user learns is to IDENTIFY YOUR TARGET. She obviously did not do this. She knew approximately where the "target" was located. But she did not identify the target. Hunters are shot every year because someone sees brush move, and so fire blindly into the brush thinking they are shooting a deer, or elk, or...? Here she shot blindly through the door, not knowing who she was shooting at.

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Where did that come from... We just do not know what went down... I said she shot through the door carelessly... But she could have called and the husband wanted to scare her... It would make a difference don't you think?

How do you know she shot through the door carelessly, if you don't know what went down? Are you saying that shooting through a closed door is always careless? Or, was her shooting through the door careless because he's okay even though she shot him?
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I seems to me that right is also a regulation...and no reason we the people can't decide what regulations we want. And of course we do have that right but it seems the majority of elected officials, and their electorate, do not want more and safer regulations. So it is up to folks like Muse and me to keep pointing out the outrageous and deadly results of the regulations that exist today and hope we can change minds.

You analyzed the situation, yet, others can't?

One of the first things ANY responsible gun owner or user learns is to IDENTIFY YOUR TARGET. She obviously did not do this. She knew approximately where the "target" was located. But she did not identify the target. Hunters are shot every year because someone sees brush move, and so fire blindly into the brush thinking they are shooting a deer, or elk, or...? Here she shot blindly through the door, not knowing who she was shooting at.

Do you know what happened? Neither do I. Nowhere did I say she did or didn't act responsibly.

The article points out that there is no indication that he announced himself or shut off the alarm. If he was trying to scare her by not responding to her requests to identify himself, and he was making a lot of noise (to instill more fear) while not attempting to shut off the alarm, that may have more to do with this than anything else (note the "If" at the start of this sentence, showing that this is hypothetical and might not have any accuracy involved).

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The closer the intruder gets, the more danger she is in

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Where did that come from... We just do not know what went down... I said she shot through the door carelessly... But she could have called and the husband wanted to scare her... It would make a difference don't you think?

How do you know she shot through the door carelessly, if you don't know what went down? Are you saying that shooting through a closed door is always careless? Or, was her shooting through the door careless because he's okay even though she shot him?
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I seems to me that right is also a regulation...and no reason we the people can't decide what regulations we want. And of course we do have that right but it seems the majority of elected officials, and their electorate, do not want more and safer regulations. So it is up to folks like Muse and me to keep pointing out the outrageous and deadly results of the regulations that exist today and hope we can change minds.

You analyzed the situation, yet, others can't?

One of the first things ANY responsible gun owner or user learns is to IDENTIFY YOUR TARGET. She obviously did not do this. She knew approximately where the "target" was located. But she did not identify the target. Hunters are shot every year because someone sees brush move, and so fire blindly into the brush thinking they are shooting a deer, or elk, or...? Here she shot blindly through the door, not knowing who she was shooting at.

Do you know what happened? Neither do I. Nowhere did I say she did or didn't act responsibly.
The article points out that there is no indication that he announced himself or shut off the alarm. If he was trying to scare her by not responding to her requests to identify himself, and he was making a lot of noise (to instill more fear) while not attempting to shut off the alarm, that may have more to do with this than anything else (note the "If" at the start of this sentence, showing that this is hypothetical and might not have any accuracy involved).

No one has mentioned that there had been a number of burglaries in the neighborhood recently.
He has already been released from the hospital so maybe he will shed some light on what happened.
Could be he was the one being really stupid.

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Firearms are the third-leading cause of injury-related deaths nationwide, following poisoning and motor vehicle accidents.
(both of which are regulated...)

Gun ownership is regulated.

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The closer the intruder gets, the more danger she is in

No... she... you....me...we do not have the right to shoot a gun when we do not know who or what the bullet will hit.

Butch

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No Aylee

If she had the proper training with a weapon she would not have shot through a door...see the difference? If it was a rapist and he came through the door she could have shot him with a lot better chance of hitting him... or if she yelled she had a gun the real rapist would most likely of left... Then the police could have been called... either way the husband is not shot.

Butch

The closer the intruder gets, the more danger she is in. You are essentially saying that she has no right to be in fear for her life until he has actually begun his attack.

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Firearms are the third-leading cause of injury-related deaths nationwide, following poisoning and motor vehicle accidents.
(both of which are regulated...)

Gun ownership is regulated.

Not effectively nor as aggressively as the situation warrants

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Firearms are the third-leading cause of injury-related deaths nationwide, following poisoning and motor vehicle accidents.
(both of which are regulated...)

Gun ownership is regulated.

Not effectively nor as aggressively as the situation warrants

Really? Where did you get all the details of this situation? I'd love to read the article.

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Firearms are the third-leading cause of injury-related deaths nationwide, following poisoning and motor vehicle accidents.
(both of which are regulated...)

Gun ownership is regulated.

Not effectively nor as aggressively as the situation warrants

Really? Where did you get all the details of this situation? I'd love to read the article.

Why would I need all the facts of THIS situation to have formed an opinion on the LARGER situation ie:guns ?

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So there are morons that own guns.

And then there are people who are just morons.

The alarm sounded and Tiffany Segule, who had gotten back in the bed, shot her husband in the chest through their closed bedroom door... it's unclear whether he ever announced himself or tried to turn off the alarm.

So after a woman home alone has seen her husband off to work and returned to bed, the intruder alarm warns her of an illegal entry, or attempt, the which of which is soon resolved by the sound of someone outside her bedroom door. Because the door is closed, the intruder can't see her yet and that's a very good way to keep things. I call it a good shoot, and her husband gets a Darwin commendation.

Zia Segule was able to walk and talk following the shooting, said police. He has been released from Cape Fear Valley Medical Center. He declined to speak in detail with media when he returned home early Friday afternoon, but said "I'm good."

He declined to speak in detail. Heh. Yeah, I don't think I would want to either.

K.

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Firearms are the third-leading cause of injury-related deaths nationwide, following poisoning and motor vehicle accidents.
(both of which are regulated...)

Gun ownership is regulated.

Not effectively nor as aggressively as the situation warrants

Really? Where did you get all the details of this situation? I'd love to read the article.

Why would I need all the facts of THIS situation to have formed an opinion on the LARGER situation ie:guns ?

I thought this thread was about this situation? How can you use a situation (this one) to support your assertion if you don't know if it supports your assertion?

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The reactions of pro-fun posters are alarmingly predictable.

It doesn't seem to matter how tragic the circumstances, how stupid the behaviour of the people involved, how senseless and avoidable the shootings were. It is never the fault of legal responsible gun wielding people. The tragedy is never the result of the gross over supply and easy availability of guns or inexperienced/untrained/poorly trained people having access to firearms. It's always something else ........

The right to life trumps all other rights and it is this right that is so regularly violated. Second Amendment rights are meaningless to the thousands of victims of legal/illegal gun violence as they lie in their coffins. I'm glad I don't live in a place where the right to bear lethal weapons over rides the right to life.

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The reactions of pro-fun posters are alarmingly predictable.

It doesn't seem to matter how tragic the circumstances, how stupid the behaviour of the people involved, how senseless and avoidable the shootings were. It is never the fault of legal responsible gun wielding people. The tragedy is never the result of the gross over supply and easy availability of guns or inexperienced/untrained/poorly trained people having access to firearms. It's always something else ........

The right to life trumps all other rights and it is this right that is so regularly violated. Second Amendment rights are meaningless to the thousands of victims of legal/illegal gun violence as they lie in their coffins. I'm glad I don't live in a place where the right to bear lethal weapons over rides the right to life.

This....again and again THIS
Nice post tweak .

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If ya want to talk about gun availability, France doesn't have gun availability. They have more regulations and gun control than Chicago and New York City combined. So I have to ask again, where did those assholes get their AK 47's ?