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kdsub -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/21/2015 12:53:17 PM)
But I do... no jew was attacking the Germans... are you so blinded by your prejudice that you cannot see the difference? People like you that cannot see the fault of both sides in this conflict are just extending the suffering. If Arabs had not tried to destroy the Israeli state and started this conflict they would not find themselves in the situation they are in. They are making the same mistake their fathers made... Refusing to recognize the reality of an Israeli state. There will be no peace...or a Palestinian State until the Palestinians and their allies give what they are demanding... a right to be recognized and exist. All that has transpired... the atrocities of both sides...are a direct result of the failure to recognize Israel's right to exist. Butch

vincentML -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/21/2015 1:26:53 PM)
quote: People like you that cannot see the fault of both sides in this conflict are just extending the suffering. If Arabs had not tried to destroy the Israeli state and started this conflict they would not find themselves in the situation they are in. They are making the same mistake their fathers made... Refusing to recognize the reality of an Israeli state. Butch, again you are falling back into a selection of historical starting points that suits your bias. I thought we were past that and dealing with the Now. How are we to find the road to reconciliation unless we focus on the current status in its entirety; not only the crimes committed feebly by Hamas rockets and knife wilders on Tel Aviv buses but also the organized military and settler abuses that occur daily in the open air concentration Camp Gaza and in the occupied regions like Hebron where Palestinians live under curfew, are delayed from checkpoint to checkpoint, are subject to midnight intrusions and lined up against the walls of their homes by IDF soldiers, beaten in the streets by Settler thugs, prevented from tending their shops, and subject to loss of their homes. Violence comes in many forms; not only poorly aimed rockets. The PLO agreed to the recognition of the Israeli State as a precondition to the Oslo negotiations which led to the current awful state of apartheid and demolishing of Arab homes. Not your fault I suppose but you keep repeating the tired lie that Palestinians refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist. Just not true. It is ancient propaganda promoted by right wing Zion. Where are the FW de Klerk and Nelson Mandala that Israel and Palestine need so badly? Lost in the haze of blood lust, hatred and racism. Where are we today? Here: How To Kill Goyim And Influence People -- Torat Ha'melech

luckyd0g -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/21/2015 5:39:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: luckyd0g Plus hams could decide to build houses instead of attack tunnels. But the creation of a state that has never existed is far more important than the lives of the people living there. They can't build homes if the importation of concrete is forbidden by the blockade. But, you knew that. Right?[8\|] Gaza has a border with Egypt, you do know that, right. All your nonsense about a concentration camp is nonsense, you do know that right? And they have enough concrete to build attack tunnels, you do know that right? I realize you agree with the policy of guns before basic necessities for the people of Gaza, but it is disgusting... you know that right?

luckyd0g -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/21/2015 5:58:17 PM)
And in fact concrete is legal to import into gaza for any project approved by the Palestinian Authority. Hamas chooses to not build homes for the people. And apparently you support that policy. Disgusting, and requires you to lie in order to justify it. Why?

tweakabelle -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/22/2015 1:49:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckyd0g And in fact concrete is legal to import into gaza for any project approved by the Palestinian Authority. Hamas chooses to not build homes for the people. And apparently you support that policy. Disgusting, and requires you to lie in order to justify it. Why? Here's some PBS footage showing a tiny portion of the home and urban destruction inflicted on the Gaza concentration camp and its inhabitants by the IDF, who you support: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aalCwwX2xjo Entire suburbs (yes suburbs plural) of Gaza have been razed to the ground by the IDF in the manner shown in the footage. This is deliberate IDF policy, the Dalhiya doctine in action. People who defend the actions of the racist Israeli State are not in a position to remark upon or pass judgement about others' housing policies. People who turn a blind eye to the demolition of c27,000 Palestinian homes in the West Bank, or the tens of thousands of Gazan homes destroyed by the IDF have no right to criticise others for their alleged lack of home building. These house demolitions are no accident, they are not 'collateral damage' - they have been deliberately targeted, and often struck with the residents inside. Another common Israeli practice in Gaza is 'double tap' strikes, when a second strike follows the first strike about 5 minutes later, targetting those people trying to rescue people trapped in the rubble of the first strike. By any standard, these are civilian targets deliberately targetted by the IDF - blatant war crimes that are morally indistinguishable from and occupying the same moral and legal cesspit as suicide bombings. Are you so blinded by your fanatical support for the racist apartheid State of Israel that you are unable to see the naked hypocrisy of your position?

bounty44 -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/22/2015 2:42:53 AM)
"...fanatical support for the racist apartheid State of Israel" given that Israel is actually a liberal democracy that allows for, and indeed does have, minority participation in its government and they don't treat their citizens any different based on the color of their skins, it's neither an "apartheid state" or a "racist" one. so one could ask a similarly worded question to you: are you so blinded by your fanatical support for Palestine that you cannot see they (and arabs and muslims all over the world) are wanting to wipe Israel off the map?

NorthernGent -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/22/2015 2:49:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle And in fact concrete is legal to import into gaza for any project approved by the Palestinian Authority. Hamas chooses to not build homes for the people. And apparently you support that policy. Disgusting, and requires you to lie in order to justify it. When I was in Israel a few year back, it was reported in Israeli newspapers that Israelis were forcing Palenstinians out of their homes and giving them a few quid as compensation, next to nothing when compared with the value of the property. Based on the newspaper I was reading there was a significant amount of Israelis who weren't happy with this sort of action. I don't think there's any argument in terms of what the Israelis are doing, and while they don't deny it they argue that it is justified. Personally, I don't 'support' either the Israelis or the Palestinians, don't really care what they do over there and find the whole thing boring, predictable and outdated; but purely from a point of democracatic values surely no one could argue that the Israelis are justified in stealing people's property? Nice country by the way, interesting for obvious reasons and what a place Jerusalem is.

NorthernGent -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/22/2015 2:57:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee If the Jews would just march themselves into the sea. taking their Jewish trees with them, this could all be solved. In the event your next door neighbour took over your property without an invitation, you may find that you'd be more than slightly disappointed. This is the thing: it's one thing to pontificate (from a distance) on the merits of setting up shop in someone else's property, which is pretty much what Britain, the US, Israel does; but were the shoe on the other foot you can guarantee that people would have something to say about it. Isn't that why Britain supposedly went to war with Germany twice? To maintain the borders of this country? Isn't that why there are calls (quite rightly) from Americans for the US government to guard its borders so that only those who have gone through the required legal process can enter the country? Because it's your property, which as a people you've built up over the centuries, and quite rightly you want it to remain the property of the people who have built the nation and ensure that you have jurisdiction in terms of new entrants into the country. I doubt you'd be impressed in the event someone/some body came along and said: "we'll have this, cheers mate, we're here now so you've no choice: fuck off and make do somewhere else".

tweakabelle -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/22/2015 4:59:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 given that Israel is actually a liberal democracy that allows for, and indeed does have, minority participation in its government and they don't treat their citizens any different based on the color of their skins, it's neither an "apartheid state" or a "racist" one. Fact: There are almost 60 laws on the statute books in Israel that discriminate against Palestinians. There are another 50+ set of proposed laws at various stages of progression through the Knesset that will increase statutory discrimination against Palestinians. You can find them all listed here. There are massive levels of discrimination against Palestinian Israelis in housing, employment, education, social services .... in fact in every walk of life. Israel may be a liberal democracy but only for Israeli Jews. The fact of Israeli apartheid is acknowledged by many Israelis as this 2012 opinion poll shows: A majority of Israeli Jews admit they are living in an apartheid state, a recent survey claimed. Many also believed that Palestinians should be denied the right to vote, and suggested that Jewish citizens should be given preferential treatment. Some 500 Jewish adults took part in the survey, answering questions put together by a group of civil rights activists and academics, Haaretz newspaper reported on Tuesday. The survey’s findings revealed that 39 percent of respondents believe there is a ‘slight’ form of apartheid in the country, while 19 percent admit that there is ‘heavy’ apartheid. http://rt.com/news/israel-apartheid-survey-098/ For more evidence just google 'Palestine apartheid;' and see it for yourself. On numerous occasions I have challenged those who query whether Israel practices apartheid to offer a more accurate descriptive term than 'apartheid' for a mode of government that operates segregated legal systems, rights and entitlements, towns and villages, housing, schools, voting rights, water rights, public access (segregated roads) etc. To date no one has responded to the challenge. But please don't let that deter you. Can you offer a better term than apartheid to describe such open racial segregation? So, not even Israelis agree with your claims. Sadly the evidence shows it is an irrefutable fact that Israel is a fundamentally and incorrigibly racist State that operates an apartheid system in the West Bank

thishereboi -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/22/2015 5:05:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML As long as Israel chooses to expand its occupation of foreign land and apartheid expropriation of Palestinian homes within its boundaries it should not be surprised that rockets fall upon it and its people are attacked by knife wielders on public buses. I apologize for my silly remarks. It was insensitive of me to object to the murder of innocent civilians. I should have realized that if Israel does it, it must be okay. Please forgive me for doubting the moral superiority of your views. K. Of course, you are forgiven, my son [:D] You do raise an interesting concept when you refer to 'innocent civilians.' Wasn't it bin Laden who raised the issue of guilt of all citizens of a nation at war to justify crashing planes into the Twin Towers? Were we not all guilty of torture in Guantanamo and Abu Gharib? Did the Germans not all share a national guilt for Auschwitz and Treblinka? The Americans for Hiroshima? And now the Israelis for the Gaza Ghetto and apartheid in the occupied lands? Who is innocent if evil is committed in their names? Yea I believe he did. And I am sure he would be touched that someone not only remembered but chose to quote him on it. I am just glad that most saw him for the evil monster he was.

tweakabelle -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/22/2015 5:12:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle And in fact concrete is legal to import into gaza for any project approved by the Palestinian Authority. Hamas chooses to not build homes for the people. And apparently you support that policy. Disgusting, and requires you to lie in order to justify it. When I was in Israel a few year back, ... [snip] Nice country by the way, interesting for obvious reasons and what a place Jerusalem is. While I suspect it was an unintended editing error, the quote you have attributed to me was in fact taken from luckyd0g's post and not mine.

vincentML -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/22/2015 7:32:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 "...fanatical support for the racist apartheid State of Israel" given that Israel is actually a liberal democracy that allows for, and indeed does have, minority participation in its government and they don't treat their citizens any different based on the color of their skins, it's neither an "apartheid state" or a "racist" one. so one could ask a similarly worded question to you: are you so blinded by your fanatical support for Palestine that you cannot see they (and arabs and muslims all over the world) are wanting to wipe Israel off the map? Just another example of how uninformed Americans are. Israel is not racist? Witness the ugly face of Israeli racism against refugees from Darfur (brief video) Absolutely disgusting. African refugees purged in Israel as 'infiltrators'

vincentML -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/22/2015 7:36:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML As long as Israel chooses to expand its occupation of foreign land and apartheid expropriation of Palestinian homes within its boundaries it should not be surprised that rockets fall upon it and its people are attacked by knife wielders on public buses. I apologize for my silly remarks. It was insensitive of me to object to the murder of innocent civilians. I should have realized that if Israel does it, it must be okay. Please forgive me for doubting the moral superiority of your views. K. Of course, you are forgiven, my son [:D] You do raise an interesting concept when you refer to 'innocent civilians.' Wasn't it bin Laden who raised the issue of guilt of all citizens of a nation at war to justify crashing planes into the Twin Towers? Were we not all guilty of torture in Guantanamo and Abu Gharib? Did the Germans not all share a national guilt for Auschwitz and Treblinka? The Americans for Hiroshima? And now the Israelis for the Gaza Ghetto and apartheid in the occupied lands? Who is innocent if evil is committed in their names? Yea I believe he did. And I am sure he would be touched that someone not only remembered but chose to quote him on it. I am just glad that most saw him for the evil monster he was. He was. But his evil does not excuse the evil perpetrated by America in Guantanamo and Israel in Gaza, Hebron, East Jerusalem, etc.

vincentML -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/22/2015 7:47:12 AM)
quote: so one could ask a similarly worded question to you: are you so blinded by your fanatical support for Palestine that you cannot see they (and arabs and muslims all over the world) are wanting to wipe Israel off the map? Speaking here for myself and not for Tweak, it is not a matter of fanatical support for the Palestinians (although quite honestly am heading in that direction) but rather outrage at the injustice and inhumanity inflicted by one peoples upon another, all the more so when that injustice is inflicted under the banner of Holocaust victimhood. Israel and America must be held to a higher standard. Also irksome is the blind acceptance of Israeli propaganda on this side of the Pond. Israel is a faux democracy, being pushed further toward fascist crowd actions everyday. Sad to say, that is the inevitable lot of the occupier.

vincentML -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/22/2015 8:03:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckyd0g quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: luckyd0g Plus hams could decide to build houses instead of attack tunnels. But the creation of a state that has never existed is far more important than the lives of the people living there. They can't build homes if the importation of concrete is forbidden by the blockade. But, you knew that. Right?[8\|] Gaza has a border with Egypt, you do know that, right. All your nonsense about a concentration camp is nonsense, you do know that right? And they have enough concrete to build attack tunnels, you do know that right? I realize you agree with the policy of guns before basic necessities for the people of Gaza, but it is disgusting... you know that right? You do know that Egypt cooperates with Israel in maintaining the wall around Gaza Ghetto. A ghetto is a ghetto by any standards. It is a place where people are caged in and denied their human freedoms. You do know that? Right? Yet, you persist in blaming the victims. You do know that the Oslo Accords of 1993 allow fishing at a distance of 20 miles off Gaza but Israel limits Gazan fishing to 3 miles offshore. Israel gunboat firing on a Gaza fisherman Please stop parroting bullshit propaganda and do the research.

vincentML -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/22/2015 8:06:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckyd0g And in fact concrete is legal to import into gaza for any project approved by the Palestinian Authority. Hamas chooses to not build homes for the people. And apparently you support that policy. Disgusting, and requires you to lie in order to justify it. Why? Bullshit. The importation of concrete is under the control of Israel.

vincentML -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/22/2015 4:03:26 PM)
FR Israel can't seem to decide what to do with Sudanese seeking asylum and respite from war. A huge outdoor concentration camp was constructed in the Negev to house the black Africans. When the Sudanese marched out of the camp toward Egypt to leave Israel, Israeli police forces violently disrupted the march and drove the refugees back to the internment camp. Bottom line, the aim is to build a racially purified nation-state. Hmm . . . sounds familiar, don't it? Army Violently Stops African Refugees Trying to Leave Israel Meanwhile in a working class suburb of Tel Aviv Israelis protest the construction of tents to shelter Sudanese in a city park in the winter of 2012. Again in the name of a purified Israel. The Face of Racism in Israel Sort of reminds you of old Jim Crow, it does.

luckyd0g -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/23/2015 12:16:51 PM)
Bullshit to you. Egypt is not Israel. And concrete is legal to import. Your allies use it for attack tunnels, not for homes. And you support the policy. Why?

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/23/2015 12:47:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckyd0g Bullshit to you. Egypt is not Israel. And concrete is legal to import. Your allies use it for attack tunnels, not for homes. And you support the policy. Why? Would you like to back that up with creditable links?? It might well be legal - but they won't let it in. Last I heard, most of the concrete was squirreled in via illegal tunnels, not via a so-called 'legit' imports. Both Egypt and Israel are effectively blockading Palestine in a virtual siege. Even humanitarian aid is rarely getting through for the hospitals etc.

Politesub53 -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/23/2015 4:41:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckyd0g Bullshit to you. Egypt is not Israel. And concrete is legal to import. Your allies use it for attack tunnels, not for homes. And you support the policy. Why? Same tired old shit lucky....... ?? You hate the messenger so divert by a personal attack. Israel and Egypt both blockade Gazza. Concrete and other building materials fall under the blockade. And Vincent hasnt backed any policy, just pointed out a few truthful facts.

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