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luckyd0g -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/23/2015 5:41:24 PM)

"List No. 2: Construction Items and Materials to be Allowed Entry into Gaza only for PA-authorized Projects Implemented by the International Community

Israel will only permit their entry into Gaza to facilitate construction projects in Gaza which have been authorized by the PA and implemented and monitored by the international community. The often cited reason is that such materials could be used by Hamas for military purposes (building bunkers, fortifying positions and digging tunnels)

This list includes:

Portland cement and lime (in bulk, bags or barrels)Natural and Quarry aggregates and all varieties of gravelReady concretePrecast concrete elements and products"

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_imports

they can build homes if they like.

Now you have pledged your support of Hamas as the legitimate, elected government of Palestine many times PS.

And so has Vincent, he also has stated his support of Palestinian terrorism, multiple times.



vincentML -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/24/2015 6:25:35 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: luckyd0g

"List No. 2: Construction Items and Materials to be Allowed Entry into Gaza only for PA-authorized Projects Implemented by the International Community

Israel will only permit their entry into Gaza to facilitate construction projects in Gaza which have been authorized by the PA and implemented and monitored by the international community. The often cited reason is that such materials could be used by Hamas for military purposes (building bunkers, fortifying positions and digging tunnels)

This list includes:

Portland cement and lime (in bulk, bags or barrels)Natural and Quarry aggregates and all varieties of gravelReady concretePrecast concrete elements and products"

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_imports

they can build homes if they like.

Now you have pledged your support of Hamas as the legitimate, elected government of Palestine many times PS.

And so has Vincent, he also has stated his support of Palestinian terrorism, multiple times.


As per your LINK:

Import of goods into the Gaza Strip is limited as part of the 2007–present blockade of the Gaza Strip imposed by Israel and Egypt. Israel allows limited humanitarian supplies from aid organizations into the Gaza Strip. Humanitarian organizations, including UN agencies, bring goods into Gaza. As of May 2010, they have brought in, according to the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories of the Israel Defense Forces, 1.5 million liters of diesel fuel and gasoline, fruits and vegetables, wheat, sugar, meat, chicken and fish products, dairy products, animal feed, hygiene products, clothing and shoes.[1]

Cement, wood, iron, cattle, animal medicine, musical instruments, notebooks were among the items banned before June 2010.[2]

Nothing here about PA approval. You are just making shit up.

Please cite one expression of support of terrorism by me. And btw what is your definition of terrorism? The killing of innocent civilians? Then Israel and America are both horrendously guilty culprits.




vincentML -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/24/2015 7:32:38 AM)

FR

More intolerance and racism within Israeli's isolated society:

Druze student beaten by Jews ‘for speaking Arabic’

Twenty-one-year-old Tommy Hasson said about ten men assaulted him with broken glass bottles and other sharp objects. He added that the attackers had initially assaulted him verbally and spat on him after he conversed with a friend in Arabic.

Following the attack, Hasson was rushed to the Hadassah Ein Kerem Hospital in the capital, where he underwent emergency medical treatment for various injuries.

Hasson had recently moved to Jerusalem from his home town of Daliyat al-Karmel in the north to study music. Before being discharged from the army three months ago, Hasson served in the Druze Herev battalion and was later assigned a position at the President’s Residence.


Read more: Druze student beaten by Jews 'for speaking Arabic' | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/druze-student-beaten-by-jews-for-speaking-arabic/#ixzz3Pkl5zuBF
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God's chosen people? Shameful.



vincentML -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/24/2015 7:38:28 AM)

quote:

And so has Vincent, he also has stated his support of Palestinian terrorism, multiple times.

I have stated by abhorrence of Israeli state terrorism numerous times.

Where is the fucking outrage?!



luckyd0g -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/24/2015 11:43:08 AM)

Vincet, it is not pre 2010. I already cited where cement can be imported for PA approved projects. It's right here on this page.

Thank you for straight up lying. It helps people understand that your perspective requires lies to maintain.



bounty44 -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/24/2015 11:54:37 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML


quote:

ORIGINAL: luckyd0g

"List No. 2: Construction Items and Materials to be Allowed Entry into Gaza only for PA-authorized Projects Implemented by the International Community

Israel will only permit their entry into Gaza to facilitate construction projects in Gaza which have been authorized by the PA and implemented and monitored by the international community. The often cited reason is that such materials could be used by Hamas for military purposes (building bunkers, fortifying positions and digging tunnels)

This list includes:

Portland cement and lime (in bulk, bags or barrels)Natural and Quarry aggregates and all varieties of gravelReady concretePrecast concrete elements and products"

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_imports

they can build homes if they like.

Now you have pledged your support of Hamas as the legitimate, elected government of Palestine many times PS.

And so has Vincent, he also has stated his support of Palestinian terrorism, multiple times.


As per your LINK:

Import of goods into the Gaza Strip is limited as part of the 2007–present blockade of the Gaza Strip imposed by Israel and Egypt. Israel allows limited humanitarian supplies from aid organizations into the Gaza Strip. Humanitarian organizations, including UN agencies, bring goods into Gaza. As of May 2010, they have brought in, according to the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories of the Israel Defense Forces, 1.5 million liters of diesel fuel and gasoline, fruits and vegetables, wheat, sugar, meat, chicken and fish products, dairy products, animal feed, hygiene products, clothing and shoes.[1]

Cement, wood, iron, cattle, animal medicine, musical instruments, notebooks were among the items banned before June 2010.[2]

Nothing here about PA approval. You are just making shit up.

Please cite one expression of support of terrorism by me. And btw what is your definition of terrorism? The killing of innocent civilians? Then Israel and America are both horrendously guilty culprits.




in terms of the concrete, you may not have lied, but you certainly need to be more careful reading...



luckyd0g -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/24/2015 4:14:58 PM)

Bounty, there was a short period 5 years ago where concrete importation was banned, but that ended 5 years ago. Any resident of Gaza freezing in a tent is a purposeful stratagem by Hamas and it's western supporters like Vincent . To some it is more important to build attack tunnels than house the people. Disgusting.



Politesub53 -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/24/2015 4:43:10 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: luckyd0g

"List No. 2: Construction Items and Materials to be Allowed Entry into Gaza only for PA-authorized Projects Implemented by the International Community

Israel will only permit their entry into Gaza to facilitate construction projects in Gaza which have been authorized by the PA and implemented and monitored by the international community. The often cited reason is that such materials could be used by Hamas for military purposes (building bunkers, fortifying positions and digging tunnels)

This list includes:

Portland cement and lime (in bulk, bags or barrels)Natural and Quarry aggregates and all varieties of gravelReady concretePrecast concrete elements and products"

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_imports

they can build homes if they like.

Now you have pledged your support of Hamas as the legitimate, elected government of Palestine many times PS.

And so has Vincent, he also has stated his support of Palestinian terrorism, multiple times.



Of course I have, its called democracy. It is just a shame you dont believe in it[8|]



tweakabelle -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/24/2015 6:26:04 PM)

Several days ago I put this challenge to you:
quote:

On numerous occasions I have challenged those who query whether Israel practices apartheid to offer a more accurate descriptive term than 'apartheid' for a mode of government that operates segregated legal systems, rights and entitlements, towns and villages, housing, schools, voting rights, water rights, public access (segregated roads) etc. To date no one has responded to the challenge. But please don't let that deter you. Can you offer a better term than apartheid to describe such open racial segregation?


Your response has been silence. It seems that you are unable or unwilling to nominate a term other than apartheid to describe Israel's policies of racial segregation in the West Bank. Hardly a surprise as there is no other term to accurately describe Israeli policy - if it looks and sounds like apartheid then it is apartheid. On the scale of racist crimes the only racist crime worse than apartheid is genocide.

So Israel is not the liberal democracy you claimed it to be but instead a belligerent militarist and racist state that practices apartheid and ethnic cleansing as part of a hostile military occupation of Palestine. As you now know this to be the case, how can you continue to defend Israeli policy and crimes?



luckyd0g -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/24/2015 7:13:34 PM)

So PS believes that winning the majority of seats grants a party full power and the right to disregard the courts, murder their political opponents, and cancel further elections. ....

How sad...




vincentML -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/25/2015 6:57:30 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: luckyd0g

Bounty, there was a short period 5 years ago where concrete importation was banned, but that ended 5 years ago. Any resident of Gaza freezing in a tent is a purposeful stratagem by Hamas and it's western supporters like Vincent . To some it is more important to build attack tunnels than house the people. Disgusting.

You guys are right. I did misread the current restrictions on the importation of concrete. But what brought about the 'liberalization?' It was international outrage against Israel's attack on the humanitarian vessels that sailed from Turkey; not Israel's generosity. And I don't doubt that imported construction materials will be used when possible for defensive fortifications in Gaza. Defense against Israeli bombs is an existential need for Gaza. Israel complains that Gaza builds fortifications while she in turn builds a 25 foot high separation wall right through Palestinian villages, gutting Palestinian commercial and social intercourse, and destroying more Arab homes everyday in the WB.

So, Israel creates ghettos to its east and west just as Christians enclosed Jews in ghettos throughout Europe. But more ironically, the children of the Holocaust survivors create their own physical and spiritual ghetto and enclose themselves within. As too many rats in a cage they will turn upon themselves and self-destruct. The Settlers and their right wing sycophants are creating their own Shoah II through the on going process of ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians and the isolation of their own children from the world. The Israeli Maginot line is a futile endeavor.

What Israel has done to the Palestinians is no less condemnable than what Germany did to its Jews. If that makes me pro-Palestinian, if that label gives you comfort, than that is what I am. However, I prefer to see my position as a humanitarian defense of the oppressed. Jews are no longer the oppressed. American Jews live in a golden age of affluence and influence. European Jews suffer for the atrocities committed by Israel. Israel is the mother of the "new anti-Semitism" in Europe.




bounty44 -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/25/2015 7:17:05 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Several days ago I put this challenge to you:
quote:

On numerous occasions I have challenged those who query whether Israel practices apartheid to offer a more accurate descriptive term than 'apartheid' for a mode of government that operates segregated legal systems, rights and entitlements, towns and villages, housing, schools, voting rights, water rights, public access (segregated roads) etc. To date no one has responded to the challenge. But please don't let that deter you. Can you offer a better term than apartheid to describe such open racial segregation?


Your response has been silence. It seems that you are unable or unwilling to nominate a term other than apartheid to describe Israel's policies of racial segregation in the West Bank. Hardly a surprise as there is no other term to accurately describe Israeli policy - if it looks and sounds like apartheid then it is apartheid. On the scale of racist crimes the only racist crime worse than apartheid is genocide.

So Israel is not the liberal democracy you claimed it to be but instead a belligerent militarist and racist state that practices apartheid and ethnic cleansing as part of a hostile military occupation of Palestine. As you now know this to be the case, how can you continue to defend Israeli policy and crimes?


you presume I read all the responses to my posts. I don't. if you want a particular reply, you are more than welcome to send me a private message and I can answer.

as to your question, here is someone from south Africa, a black government official, affirming what I said earlier about Israel not being an apartheid state.

"South African MP Rev. Dr. Kenneth Meshoe wrote in the San Francisco Examiner, “As a black South African who lived under apartheid, this system was implemented in South Africa to subjugate people of color and deny them a variety of their rights. In my view, Israel cannot be compared to apartheid in South Africa. Those who make the accusation expose their ignorance of what apartheid really is.” Meshoe made this statement upon visiting San Francisco, where he was shocked to learn of posters posted within the city comparing Israel to the apartheid regime in South Africa."

http://unitedwithisrael.org/south-african-mp-israel-is-not-an-apartheid-state/


if you want to read both sides of the argument (apartheid or not), here it is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy


i don't know what else to "call it" but my failing in that regard does not mean by default that the phrase "apartheid" is appropriate.



Sanity -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/25/2015 7:25:51 AM)


Rabid leftist / Islamist propagandists such as "polite" sub, tweaka, and vincent are incapable of understanding how their stupidity and their lies do their cause much more harm to good

They seem to think that everyone else hates Jews just as much as they do, therefore everyone else will just gloss over their vile demagoguery and accept it as fact




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/25/2015 7:41:02 AM)

Interesting point.

But apartheid, as used (and coined) in South Africa is the perfect description of what is happening in Israel.

Merriam Webster
Main Entry:apart£heid
Pronunciation:*-*p*r-*t*t, -*t*t
Function:noun
Etymology:Afrikaans, from apart apart + -heid -hood
Date:1947

1 : racial segregation; specifically : a former policy of segregation and political and economic discrimination against non-European groups in the Republic of South Africa
2 : SEPARATION, SEGREGATION *cultural apartheid* *gender apartheid*

In Africa, it was more specifically black vs white.
That can very easily be modified (as per definition #2) to be white vs non-white.
Seeing as the vast majority of the Israeli population is white and the vast majority of Palestinians are non-white, that would be a perfect description of what is taking place in Israel and the occupied territories.

If Rev. Dr. Kenneth Meshoe (and similar others) want to nit-pick about what constitutes a non-white to mean more specifically 'black', that would be somewhat disingenuous and rather myopic considering the actions are exactly the same and along identical lines.

If you take his writings in a more general sense, it's a perfect fit....
"As a [subjucated person] who lived under apartheid, this system was implemented in [name your country here] to subjugate people of [colour/race/religion] and deny them a variety of their rights"




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/25/2015 7:46:14 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Rabid leftist / Islamist propagandists such as "polite" sub, tweaka, and vincent are incapable of understanding how their stupidity and their lies do their cause much more harm to good

They seem to think that everyone else hates Jews just as much as they do, therefore everyone else will just gloss over their vile demagoguery and accept it as fact



No, we don't hate Jews.
What we object to, is Israel practicing virtual genocide with the Palestinian people.
And the ONLY way they are getting away with it is because it is backed by the US.

And in case your limited knowledge doesn't stretch far enough - the UN and everyone outside of the US has condemned Israel's actions and declared it illegal.

Neither side have clean hands - that's obvious.
But Israel consistently defy UN regulations in their pursuit of ethnic cleansing.



DaddySatyr -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/25/2015 8:50:21 AM)


No, we don't hate the little Islamists.
What we object to, is Palestine practicing virtual genocide with the Jewish people.

Neither side have clean hands - that's obvious.
But (Palestinians), consistently defy UN regulations in their pursuit of ethnic cleansing.

See how it works, both ways?

Sorry. I'm on the side of Netanyahu: "If Palestine disarmed, today, we'd have no more violence. If Israel disarmed, today, we'd have no more Israel."



Michael




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/25/2015 9:00:29 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


No, we don't hate Jews.
What we object to, is Israel practicing virtual genocide with the Palestinian people.

Neither side have clean hands - that's obvious.
But (Palestinians), consistently defy UN regulations in their pursuit of ethnic cleansing.

See how it works, both ways?

Sorry. I'm on the side of Netanyahu: "If Palestine disarmed, today, we'd have no more violence. If Israel disarmed, today, we'd have no more Israel."



Michael



Actually, no, I don't see how that works.
Why?
Because the UN haven't declared what the Palestinians do as 'illegal'.
Yes, they've had harsh comments about their actions.
But, only Israel has had their actions condemned as illegal by many countries and the UN.
And the death toll is running about 67:1. Disgraceful.

And it's interesting that those inside the US tend to support Israel and those outside the US are condemning them.
I think a lot of that support is comming from biased media reports in the US whereas most other media is somewhat less biased.

I don't support either side.
But given the IDF/Israeli actions, I can't blame Hamas for doing what they are doing.
They are illegally expanding and building in the occupies territories.
They are blockading the country into oblivion whilst targeting known civilian areas.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/25/2015 9:11:59 AM)


I had to go about half-way down the search page to go past all the biased US media, condemning Israel:

UN Condemns Hamas

quote:



UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon condemned on Friday the reported violation by Islamist Hamas militants of a 72-hour humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza and demanded the immediate, unconditional release of a captured Israeli soldier.

"He is shocked and profoundly disappointed by these developments," UN spokesman Stephane Dujarric said. "The secretary-general is deeply concerned about the resumption of Israeli attacks on Gaza."

"The secretary-general urges both sides to show maximum restraint and return to the agreed 72-hour humanitarian ceasefire that tragically lasted such a brief period of time," Dujarric said.

In a letter to the secretary-general, Ambassador Ron Prosor expressed his outrage on Friday that Hamas had violated a cease-fire agreement for the fifth time and called once again for the UN to designate Hamas as a terrorist organization. "It is time to hold Hamas accountable for its actions," he wrote.

Prosor called for the UN to condemn Hamas' murder of two Israeli soldiers and kidnapping of a third, Hadar Goldin, during the cease-fire and demanded that the Gaza Strip be demilitarized. The ambassador sent an identical copy of the letter to the Security Council's president for the month of August, Mark Lyall Grant.

"It is time for the international community to stop giving Hamas a free pass and see the group for what it is," Prosor said.



The terrorists waited until they had a cease fire in place to start up the shit, again.

I refer you back to the Netanyahu quote.



Michael



luckyd0g -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/25/2015 9:25:19 AM)

Fr---

While it is certainly true that opposing Israeli policy does not make one an anti-Semite, opposing Israel does not preclude one from being an anti-semite.

And if you have to tell lies in order to justify your opposition to Israel, you probably are an anti-Semitic piece of shit.



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/25/2015 10:38:28 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


I had to go about half-way down the search page to go past all the biased US media, condemning Israel:

UN Condemns Hamas

quote:



UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon condemned on Friday the reported violation by Islamist Hamas militants of a 72-hour humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza and demanded the immediate, unconditional release of a captured Israeli soldier.

"He is shocked and profoundly disappointed by these developments," UN spokesman Stephane Dujarric said. "The secretary-general is deeply concerned about the resumption of Israeli attacks on Gaza."

"The secretary-general urges both sides to show maximum restraint and return to the agreed 72-hour humanitarian ceasefire that tragically lasted such a brief period of time," Dujarric said.

In a letter to the secretary-general, Ambassador Ron Prosor expressed his outrage on Friday that Hamas had violated a cease-fire agreement for the fifth time and called once again for the UN to designate Hamas as a terrorist organization. "It is time to hold Hamas accountable for its actions," he wrote.

Prosor called for the UN to condemn Hamas' murder of two Israeli soldiers and kidnapping of a third, Hadar Goldin, during the cease-fire and demanded that the Gaza Strip be demilitarized. The ambassador sent an identical copy of the letter to the Security Council's president for the month of August, Mark Lyall Grant.

"It is time for the international community to stop giving Hamas a free pass and see the group for what it is," Prosor said.



The terrorists waited until they had a cease fire in place to start up the shit, again.

I refer you back to the Netanyahu quote.



Michael

That doesn't support your posit that the UN declared Hamas' actions as illegal like they did with Israel.

And how many times has there been an agreement or ceasefire that Israel has subsequently ignored and marched into Palestine?
And how often have the international community, and the UN, declared that Israel lift the blockade - and it hasn't.
This was the one major thing requested by Hamas for a permanent ceasefire; yet Israel have persistently refused.



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