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Lucylastic -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/29/2015 7:40:00 AM)

Of course you never remember
or you go to the park.
better go now before it snows too much.
If you wanna call me a liar, go ahead




thishereboi -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/29/2015 7:54:54 AM)

I didn't say I didn't remember, I said I had no fucking clue what you were talking about. And I still don't. So you can either come back and explain yourself or you can keep being a bitch and throw insults. Your choice.

Oh and don't expect a response any time soon, because you were right about one thing. It is a great day for the park.




Lucylastic -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/29/2015 8:01:58 AM)

im keeping on being a bitch, because you deserve nothing more....remember the diabetic proposal for the UK?
run, run run awayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy




vincentML -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/29/2015 9:04:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

No lie Vincent... just an opinion...you have one I have one... her words stand on their own for anyone to decide. So do yours and mine.

Butch

Since you make the accusation repeatedly I assume you have a file of her words which 'stand on their own.' I missed the list. Would you please supply some of the words that offended you. Many thanks in advance. Eagerly awaiting your evidence. Cmon, calling someone an anti-Semite is serious business; it implies a murderous hatred on her part. I think you have an obligation to present your case, don't you?




vincentML -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/29/2015 9:10:40 AM)

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It is churlish to claim that both sides are equally culpable when it comes to apartheid and ethnic cleansing.


Like blaming a rape victim for wearing a 'sexy' skirt.




Politesub53 -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/29/2015 4:07:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
So no link then. Yea still not surprised.


So you forget you once told me I couldnt post as I wasnt American ?

Like I said, your bullshit post aimed at Tweakable was just a pathetic attempt to get her to stop posting.

Newsflash...... several posters wont give in to the continued snide remarks about being anti-whatever the fuck you (generic) decide we are anti.




tweakabelle -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/30/2015 12:55:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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It is churlish to claim that both sides are equally culpable when it comes to apartheid and ethnic cleansing.


Like blaming a rape victim for wearing a 'sexy' skirt.

It's even worse than that. Palestinians are blamed not for something that they may have done or not, but because of who they are, and what their ancestral homeland is. In both cases, there's nothing Palestinians can do to change their status.

So a more accurate way of putting it is:
It's like claiming the victim deserved to be raped because she was a woman.




thishereboi -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/30/2015 6:35:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

im keeping on being a bitch, because you deserve nothing more....remember the diabetic proposal for the UK?
run, run run awayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy



You mean the one where you claimed I said one thing and when I tried to explain that you misunderstood what I had said, claimed you didn't and then insisted on a link to something I never said. Is that the one you are blathering on about?

Or perhaps it was the time PS called something someone had said bullshit and then couldn't be bothered to tell anyone what exactly was bullshit. Then when called on it tried to turn it around and claimed I wouldn't give a link showing what ever it was he thought was bullshit really wasn't.


Hard to tell, neither one of you seem to think you have to back up anything you say, yet constantly scream post a link.




thishereboi -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/30/2015 6:45:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
So no link then. Yea still not surprised.


So you forget you once told me I couldnt post as I wasnt American ?

Like I said, your bullshit post aimed at Tweakable was just a pathetic attempt to get her to stop posting.

Newsflash...... several posters wont give in to the continued snide remarks about being anti-whatever the fuck you (generic) decide we are anti.



Oh look another lie. I have on occasion wondered why folks who don't live here spend so much time thinking and reading and talking about us. I have even pointed out that I really don't give a fuck what the opinions of some of the people who don't live here are. After all they don't live here and from the posts I have read really have no clue how we live. They have proven that over and over again. Then there are others who make intelligent posts that I really enjoy and learn from.
Either way, this is a public forum and anyone can post here.

I have never told you you couldn't post on the forums because you were not an american and my post was not an attempt to get tweaky to stop posting. In fact it encouraged her to post more and even suggested a way to stop people from calling her names.

I also think you should post as often as possible. After all when your lies are this transparent it only makes you look bad.





thishereboi -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/30/2015 6:48:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

run, run run awayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy



Every so often you make a comment like this and it puzzles me. Are there things on this forum that actually scare you enough to run away and is that why you project those feelings onto others? Or did you see someone else do it and you thought it was a really cute response so you borrowed it? Because I have to say, if someone bothered me that much, I would simply put them on hide. The idea that someone would have to run away from the internet is too fucking funny.




Lucylastic -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/30/2015 7:00:29 AM)

Just telling you to run away like you normally do, only to come back the next day spouting off with what you "Understand" or misunderstand. or to place more bullshit while back pedalling
your statement was



http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4768273


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

oh a federal plan to help all pre diabetics and obese patients under 40?
really?



The article stated "Under the scheme, family doctors will be asked to identify anyone who has gained weight and is at risk of diabetes – particularly those aged below 40.
They will then be offered tests for pre-diabetes, followed by healthy lifestyle advice and close monitoring to ensure they are eating better and exercising more."

and yes they already do that here. The only difference I see is over here they do it because it's the smart thing to do and not because big brother says they have to. Nice to see the UK catching up.


You claimed that what is proposed by the UK as happening in the US already
when it quite clearly isnt
the fact you obfuscated and then changed the angle is typical you/




thishereboi -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/30/2015 7:18:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Just telling you to run away like you normally do, only to come back the next day spouting off with what you "Understand" or misunderstand. or to place more bullshit while back pedalling
your statement was



http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4768273


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

oh a federal plan to help all pre diabetics and obese patients under 40?
really?



The article stated "Under the scheme, family doctors will be asked to identify anyone who has gained weight and is at risk of diabetes – particularly those aged below 40.
They will then be offered tests for pre-diabetes, followed by healthy lifestyle advice and close monitoring to ensure they are eating better and exercising more."

and yes they already do that here. The only difference I see is over here they do it because it's the smart thing to do and not because big brother says they have to. Nice to see the UK catching up.


You claimed that what is proposed by the UK as happening in the US already
when it quite clearly isnt
the fact you obfuscated and then changed the angle is typical you/



Yes I did and then I posted this...


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

oh a federal plan to help all pre diabetics and obese patients under 40?
really?



The article stated "Under the scheme, family doctors will be asked to identify anyone who has gained weight and is at risk of diabetes – particularly those aged below 40.
They will then be offered tests for pre-diabetes, followed by healthy lifestyle advice and close monitoring to ensure they are eating better and exercising more."

and yes they already do that here. The only difference I see is over here they do it because it's the smart thing to do and not because big brother says they have to. Nice to see the UK catching up.

it was YOUR claim
Im asking what bill in the US covers ever citizen to age 40for diabetics/prediabetics and obese people????? a national programme, like the OP presents.


Ok I see the problem. When I said they do it because it's the smart thing to do and NOT because big brother says they have to, I meant big brother does not say they have to and they still do. This implies that there isn't a bill making it mandatory. Now according to polite they did it over there before this so I am not sure why they had to implement the new policy but apparently they felt they did.

And now that that's cleared up I would also like to mention that until people stop being so fucking lazy and get up and move around it won't help.



i claimed that we were already doing that. When you brought up the government plan I tried to explain to you that that wasn't what I meant. And since I wasn't referring to any plan I couldn't very well link it, now could I? Now I am not sure how I can simplify that for you but you obviously are not getting it since you are still crying for that link.




Lucylastic -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/30/2015 7:23:07 AM)

Ive left what you posted on the appropriate link
because it doesnt belong in this thread...
neither does your whinging about me or polite asking for links you cant and dont ever supply.




Lucylastic -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/30/2015 7:28:40 AM)

If I point out these two articles about israel and some cities treatment of women, Someone can accuse me of being a nazi or a islamist pretty please?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/29/israeli-city-to-pay-women-damages-illegal-modesty-signs
Israeli city told to pay women damages after failing to remove ‘modesty signs’
Billboards in ultra-orthodox community bar women from certain buildings and pavements and warn against ‘slutty clothing worn in a religious style’

Four female campaigners have been awarded damages in a groundbreaking case in an Israeli court, after their local municipality refused to remove illegal and threatening signs demanding women wear “modest” clothing in public.

The case marks the first time that campaigners against gender segregation in Israel’s ultra-orthodox Jewish communities have persuaded a court to rule against the so-called “modesty signs” – despite the fact that they were deemed unlawful by the attorney general two years ago.

Judge David Gidoni found that the failure of the local authority in the city of Beit Shemesh to take down the signs violated the women’s civil rights. He ruled that the “hurtful, degrading and discriminatory” signs put up by ultra-orthodox radicals “delivered a mortal blow to the rights of women in the city” and instructed Beit Shemesh to compensate the women for their “mental anguish”. The municipality must now pay each of the women 15,000 shekels (£2,530) in compensation.

The signs include “warnings” excluding women from certain buildings and pavements in the city of 80,000, which is about 20 miles south-west of Jerusalem. Another billboard, signed “residents of the neighbourhood”, declares: “Dire warning: It is forbidden to walk on our streets in immodest dress, including slutty clothing worn in a religious style.” Another sign – posted near a synagogue – instructs women to walk on the opposite pavement.

The four women behind the campaign to have the signs removed had all suffered intimidation or been spat on by a minority of the city’s ultra-orthodox male inhabitants.

The municipality in Beit Shemesh – where an ultra-orthodox mayor was elected last year by a slim margin – accepted the signs had been put up without permission and were discriminatory, but its leaders said they feared their removal might prompt violence. The court was told the signs had been removed “several times” but it was claimed they were put up again within minutes.

In recent years Beit Shemesh – a city whose population is 45% ultra-orthodox – has been at the frontline of tension between some ultra-orthodox and secular and non-ultra-orthodox residents, not least over the issue of gender segregation and “modesty”.

Last year an ultra-orthodox man assaulted a religious woman in Beit Shemesh because he thought her skirt was too short. In another controversial incident, in 2011, an eight-year-old girl on her way to school was spat on by ultra-orthodox men because of her perceived immodest dress.

The issue has not been confined to Beit Shemesh. “Modesty signs” are on walls in ultra-orthodox neighbourhoods of Jerusalem, requiring loose clothing and specifying the length of sleeves and height of neckline. The health ministry ordered the removal of similar signs from health clinics in the city of Bnei Brak last year.

This year a series of bus ads in Jerusalem, paid for by an ultra-orthodox modesty campaign, attracted controversy for claiming “short clothing = shortened life”.

One of the plaintiffs in the Beit Shemesh case was Miriam Zussman, who explained to the Guardian why she had decided to go to court. “Personally I had incidents where I was spat on and called insulting names, which is quite shocking. I was also dressed extremely modestly with covered hair, skirts below knee and arms covered.

“My daughter too had an incident near school where she was waiting at bus stop near a boy’s yeshiva [religious school] and was told she wasn’t allowed to wait at the bus stop. It was a growing issue that became tied to the power of ownership the signs represented. The idea came to us that we could do something, especially given the signs are illegal. It is a minority that has been violent but there is a lack of people who are prepared to speak out.”

Nili Philipp, another of the women who brought the case, told Haaretz after the court victory: “We can’t count on our city government to enforce the law in Beit Shemesh. I’m glad we have the courts to stand up for our rights, but as I see it, it’s a sad state of affairs that we had to go to court at all.”

Orly Erez-Likhovski, the chief lawyer at the Israel Religious Action Centre, which represented the women and has been fighting against gender segregation on religious grounds, said the next step was to insist the police remove the signs. “What the municipality said to the court was that if they took them down they would be hung again and there would be violence and riots. Our argument in court on Sunday was that they contribute to the atmosphere of violence against women.

“We have to go back to court to enforce their removal but this is very important first step. It is the first case on modesty signs since the attorney general ruled they were illegal.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/26/flight-delayed-men-refuse-sit-next-to-women
Flight delayed by ultra-orthodox Jewish men refusing to sit next to women
Agence France-Presse in Jerusalem
Friday 26 September 2014 17.44 BST
Hundreds of ultra-orthodox Jewish men delayed takeoff of a transatlantic flight by refusing to sit next to women, and then caused chaos once it was airborne, it was reported on Friday.

The El Al flight from New York, with non-orthodox and secular Jews also on board, eventually arrived at Tel Aviv’s Ben Gurion airport before dawn on Wednesday in time to celebrate the Jewish new year, according to news website Ynet.

One female passenger described her trip as: “an 11-hour-long nightmare”.

As people boarded the flight, ultra-orthodox men began asking women to change seats so they did not have to sit next to them, some even offering them money to do so, witnesses told Ynet.

When some women refused, including one woman, Galit, who was sitting with her husband, the men stood in the aisles, delaying the flight’s departure.

The men eventually sat down, allowing the plane to take off, but then many got up and blocked the aisles.

“I went to the bathroom, and it was mission impossible,” Galit said.

The ultra-orthodox follow a strict policy of gender segregation and, in Israel, have insisted that women ride at the back of buses.

When a light railway was built in Jerusalem a few years ago, separate cars for men and women were suggested, but weren’t created.




thishereboi -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/30/2015 7:40:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Ive left what you posted on the appropriate link
because it doesnt belong in this thread...
neither does your whinging about me or polite asking for links you cant and dont ever supply.



No it doesn't. So why did you bring it up in this thread in the first place?




Lucylastic -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/30/2015 7:47:46 AM)

because you follow us around from post to post making demands its easy to lose track and I didnt want to give mod 3 an extra headache.
now leave the subject alone and respond if you feel the need, .....where its applicable!




thishereboi -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/30/2015 7:52:05 AM)

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Politesub53 -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/30/2015 4:58:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi
So no link then. Yea still not surprised.


So you forget you once told me I couldnt post as I wasnt American ?

Like I said, your bullshit post aimed at Tweakable was just a pathetic attempt to get her to stop posting.

Newsflash...... several posters wont give in to the continued snide remarks about being anti-whatever the fuck you (generic) decide we are anti.



Oh look another lie. I have on occasion wondered why folks who don't live here spend so much time thinking and reading and talking about us. I have even pointed out that I really don't give a fuck what the opinions of some of the people who don't live here are. After all they don't live here and from the posts I have read really have no clue how we live. They have proven that over and over again. Then there are others who make intelligent posts that I really enjoy and learn from.
Either way, this is a public forum and anyone can post here.

I have never told you you couldn't post on the forums because you were not an american and my post was not an attempt to get tweaky to stop posting. In fact it encouraged her to post more and even suggested a way to stop people from calling her names.

I also think you should post as often as possible. After all when your lies are this transparent it only makes you look bad.




Oh boi oh boi........ Now you are lying again. Guess who said the following, it was one of us, but not me. [8|]

Do you never realise how stupid you make yourself look.

quote:


What difference does it make when brain brings up thread after thread bashing the US? Do you honestly think anyone cares what he thinks? He doesn't live here and it's none of his business. Are you trying to tell me that he obsesses about the US because he thinks he is going to change something here


http://www.collarchat.com/m_3638313/mpage_2/tm.htm#

And while we have deviated from the thread, we havent been deflected from the topic, which was your general idea.




tweakabelle -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/31/2015 12:47:52 AM)

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politesub
And while we have deviated from the thread, we havent been deflected from the topic, which was your general idea.




It is tempting to shine a light on kdsub's abysmal failure to present any evidence whatsoever to support his scurrilous claims, but why bother? Anyone with a brain knows that I have never posted an anti-Semitic word here or anywhere else. Therefore no one can produce any evidence to substantiate kd's claims because no such evidence exists. kd's silence simply amplifies the bankruptcy of those who wish to exonerate Israel's apartheid and ethnic cleansing.

I note that none of our ever dwindling band of apologists for Israeli behaviour have had anything to say on the list of Israeli provocations and aggressions I posted in post #137. If any one still harbours any doubts about the relentless systematic nature of Israeli human rights violations, apartheid and ethnic cleansing can I refer them to this report by the UN Special Rapporteur for the Occupied Palestinian Territories, which confirms that the violations listed in post 137 are typical of systematic Israeli violations that occur routinely, every day, day in day out in Occupied Palestine. The silence of Israeli apologists speaks volumes and confirms the claims I have advanced.

It is certainly true that my posts tend to be very critical of Israeli policies and behaviour. I make no apology for that whatsoever. It is impossible for anyone with a principled commitment to human rights to be anything but one sided on this topic. Only one side is systematically violating the human rights of the other, only one side is imposing apartheid (in itself a crime against humanity in law), only one side is enforcing ethnic cleansing and only side is occupying and stealing the other side's land. I would dearly love to be more balanced - there is lots to be critical about on the Palestinian side too - but for as long as one side has a monopoly on apartheid, ethnic cleansing and is engaged in the systematic theft of an entire country, I will maintain a focus on that side.




thishereboi -> RE: Demolishing Palestinians homes in Jersualem (1/31/2015 6:04:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi
So no link then. Yea still not surprised.


So you forget you once told me I couldnt post as I wasnt American ?

Like I said, your bullshit post aimed at Tweakable was just a pathetic attempt to get her to stop posting.

Newsflash...... several posters wont give in to the continued snide remarks about being anti-whatever the fuck you (generic) decide we are anti.



Oh look another lie. I have on occasion wondered why folks who don't live here spend so much time thinking and reading and talking about us. I have even pointed out that I really don't give a fuck what the opinions of some of the people who don't live here are. After all they don't live here and from the posts I have read really have no clue how we live. They have proven that over and over again. Then there are others who make intelligent posts that I really enjoy and learn from.
Either way, this is a public forum and anyone can post here.

I have never told you you couldn't post on the forums because you were not an american and my post was not an attempt to get tweaky to stop posting. In fact it encouraged her to post more and even suggested a way to stop people from calling her names.

I also think you should post as often as possible. After all when your lies are this transparent it only makes you look bad.




Oh boi oh boi........ Now you are lying again. Guess who said the following, it was one of us, but not me. [8|]

Do you never realise how stupid you make yourself look.

quote:


What difference does it make when brain brings up thread after thread bashing the US? Do you honestly think anyone cares what he thinks? He doesn't live here and it's none of his business. Are you trying to tell me that he obsesses about the US because he thinks he is going to change something here


http://www.collarchat.com/m_3638313/mpage_2/tm.htm#

And while we have deviated from the thread, we havent been deflected from the topic, which was your general idea.



Yes I did indeed say that it was none of his business and that no one cares about his opinion. But I thought you were going to post a link where I said you couldn't post because you weren't an american. That was the lie you told so why are you bringing up brain. Unless of course that was really you using a sock.

So liar, where is the post where I told you that you couldn't post because you are not american?




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