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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 8:21:55 AM   
KenDckey


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Status: offline 		The sigsaur P229 used by officer wilson holds up to 13 rounds. It is a .40 cal. Not sure how many rounds were fired. I believe there were 6 hits. Have no clue about misses or what/if they hit anything.

As to race, where are the race baiters when a black man shoots a white man who isn't armed?

Holder ran to prejudgement as did so many others. That isn't right, no matter who did what.

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 8:27:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Tell you what,come up with some anecdotal evidence,than try to show a pattern wherein Black police officers are gunning down unarmed white men,young and old ,and than we can all go on and on for pages and pages discussing it

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 8:50:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
1. The other cases don't matter in this thread.

Whilst that may be true - it does follow a pattern of similar killings.
Ergo: it should be considered in the same light.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
2. The FBI and the US DOJ were the ones scrutinizing the case. That those two bodies didn't find reason to bring civil rights charges.

Ok... if not "civil rights", what about "excessive force" laws?
And has been seen by a lot of people, that particular law seems to be conveniently forgotten.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
If you think for even the briefest wisps of time that Eric Holder and the US DOJ under him wouldn't have brought charges if there was evidence they could use, then you're simply detached from reality.

Strange that a lot of news items when these things happen that they question if the US judiciary is actually 'turning a blind eye' to possible prosecutions.

You take it for granted that the DOJ don't make mistakes and are infallible and therefore they must be right in not bringing charges.
That is the attitude that sparked the riots.... perceived injustice.





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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 10:36:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not what you are looking for but i found this interesting... if true.

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 10:49:37 AM   
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Not what you are looking for but i found this interesting... if true.

Butch

You're right,it wasn't what I was looking for....you might have found it interesting Butch,I found it dubious.

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 10:53:35 AM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		I would too except I work with police... or used to... and they expressed those exact same sentiments... Personally I do not think it is a bad thing. Reality in my area is blacks commit 90 percent of the violent crime which means if they are leery of shooting then it is all for the best...as long as they can protect themselves and other innocents.

Butch

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 10:56:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Not what you are looking for but i found this interesting... if true.

Butch

You're right,it wasn't what I was looking for....you might have found it interesting Butch,I found it dubious.

THERE'S a surprise...

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 11:01:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
1. The other cases don't matter in this thread.

Whilst that may be true - it does follow a pattern of similar killings.
Ergo: it should be considered in the same light.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
2. The FBI and the US DOJ were the ones scrutinizing the case. That those two bodies didn't find reason to bring civil rights charges.

Ok... if not "civil rights", what about "excessive force" laws?
And has been seen by a lot of people, that particular law seems to be conveniently forgotten.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
If you think for even the briefest wisps of time that Eric Holder and the US DOJ under him wouldn't have brought charges if there was evidence they could use, then you're simply detached from reality.

Strange that a lot of news items when these things happen that they question if the US judiciary is actually 'turning a blind eye' to possible prosecutions.

You take it for granted that the DOJ don't make mistakes and are infallible and therefore they must be right in not bringing charges.
That is the attitude that sparked the riots.... perceived injustice.





Its hard to cry "injustice" when the man heading the department doing the investigation is not only black but has had no qualms about speaking out against America's racism.

At this point, a cry of injustice would almost have to come from the victims of the rioting and looting...wouldn't it?

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 11:21:59 AM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		I am afraid in my area blacks do not care if a policeman is black or not... all police to them are either white or uncle tom's. There is something to be said of this because in St. Louis more black suspects are shot and killed by black police than white police.

Butch


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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 11:54:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
1. The other cases don't matter in this thread.

Whilst that may be true - it does follow a pattern of similar killings.
Ergo: it should be considered in the same light.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
2. The FBI and the US DOJ were the ones scrutinizing the case. That those two bodies didn't find reason to bring civil rights charges.

Ok... if not "civil rights", what about "excessive force" laws?
And has been seen by a lot of people, that particular law seems to be conveniently forgotten.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
If you think for even the briefest wisps of time that Eric Holder and the US DOJ under him wouldn't have brought charges if there was evidence they could use, then you're simply detached from reality.

Strange that a lot of news items when these things happen that they question if the US judiciary is actually 'turning a blind eye' to possible prosecutions.

You take it for granted that the DOJ don't make mistakes and are infallible and therefore they must be right in not bringing charges.
That is the attitude that sparked the riots.... perceived injustice.





Its hard to cry "injustice" when the man heading the department doing the investigation is not only black but has had no qualms about speaking out against America's racism.

At this point, a cry of injustice would almost have to come from the victims of the rioting and looting...wouldn't it?

Didn't you know all of that rioting and looting was peaceful demonstration?

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 12:15:15 PM   
lovmuffin


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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PnUYKFU0OqM

And this

http://megynkelly.us/78725/fl-man-beats-police-officer-outside-dallas-phone-store-causing-cuts-bruises-possible-brain-damage/



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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 12:53:37 PM   
CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

This is why a police officer might tend to shoot a big hunk of blubber charging at them.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PnUYKFU0OqM

And this

http://megynkelly.us/78725/fl-man-beats-police-officer-outside-dallas-phone-store-causing-cuts-bruises-possible-brain-damage/


Awwww, don't you know? He was simply responding to the fear of merely seeing a police officer, especially.

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 1:05:43 PM   
freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Its hard to cry "injustice" when the man heading the department doing the investigation is not only black but has had no qualms about speaking out against America's racism.

At this point, a cry of injustice would almost have to come from the victims of the rioting and looting...wouldn't it?

Didn't you know all of that rioting and looting was peaceful demonstration?

Just because the investigating officer was also black, doesn't mean that there wasn't any racism.
To draw that conclusion is just myopic stupidity in the extreme.

No, the injustice would be from those perceiving it.
Whether that be from the victims of the riots or the victims of the shootings that caused the riots.

And no, not all of that 'peaceful demonstration' was peaceful.
And to spout "...victims of the rioting and looting" and in the same sentence declare it was "all peaceful" is an oxymoron.
They are opposing/conflicting and mutually exclusive terms.


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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 1:09:04 PM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
Its hard to cry "injustice" when the man heading the department doing the investigation is not only black but has had no qualms about speaking out against America's racism.

At this point, a cry of injustice would almost have to come from the victims of the rioting and looting...wouldn't it?

Didn't you know all of that rioting and looting was peaceful demonstration?

Just because the investigating officer was also black, doesn't mean that there wasn't any racism.
To draw that conclusion is just myopic stupidity in the extreme.

No, the injustice would be from those perceiving it.
Whether that be from the victims of the riots or the victims of the shootings that caused the riots.

And no, not all of that 'peaceful demonstration' was peaceful.
And to spout "...victims of the rioting and looting" and in the same sentence declare it was "all peaceful" is an oxymoron.
They are opposing/conflicting and mutually exclusive terms.


Yes, it is an oxymoron.
I was highlighting the fact that while the rioting was going on the press was telling us how peaceful the demonstrations were.
Do you even have a sarcasm detector.

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 1:16:17 PM   
freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Do you even have a sarcasm detector.

Nope. Sarcasm is lost on me. Totally.

And howz about writing English... or even American???
Questions have a question mark at the end, not a period.

And our press over here was showing both - the peaceful AND the riots.

< Message edited by freedomdwarf1 -- 1/23/2015 1:17:13 PM >

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 1:20:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Do you even have a sarcasm detector.

Nope. Sarcasm is lost on me. Totally.

And howz about writing English... or even American???
Questions have a question mark at the end, not a period.

And our press over here was showing both - the peaceful AND the riots.


Oh good, here come the grammar police. I hope they're not racist

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 1:25:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

This is why a police officer might tend to shoot a big hunk of blubber charging at them.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PnUYKFU0OqM

And this

http://megynkelly.us/78725/fl-man-beats-police-officer-outside-dallas-phone-store-causing-cuts-bruises-possible-brain-damage/


Awwww, don't you know? He was simply responding to the fear of merely seeing a police officer, especially.



You mean a racist police officer


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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 1:27:14 PM   
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Questions have a question mark at the end, not a period.



What better way to indicate to readers that there is a question?

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 1:35:45 PM   
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Tell you what,come up with some anecdotal evidence,than try to show a pattern wherein Black police officers are gunning down unarmed white men,young and old ,and than we can all go on and on for pages and pages discussing it

To use your own phrase...show the pattern where white police officers are gunning down unarmed black men. Oh and BTW? Since the phrase "gunning down" makes it sound as if the ones being shot are all innocent. So let's make sure that's what you find.

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 1:39:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

This is why a police officer might tend to shoot a big hunk of blubber charging at them.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PnUYKFU0OqM

And this

http://megynkelly.us/78725/fl-man-beats-police-officer-outside-dallas-phone-store-causing-cuts-bruises-possible-brain-damage/


Awwww, don't you know? He was simply responding to the fear of merely seeing a police officer, especially.



You mean a racist police officer

Oopsie...my mistake. "Especially a racist police officer".

Better now?

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