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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 1:39:41 PM   
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Do you even have a sarcasm detector.

Nope. Sarcasm is lost on me. Totally.

And howz about writing English... or even American???
Questions have a question mark at the end, not a period.

And our press over here was showing both - the peaceful AND the riots.

I left off the question mark oh no that must mean everything I have ever said is a lie God did you ever put me in my place!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 1:43:38 PM   
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Tell you what,come up with some anecdotal evidence,than try to show a pattern wherein Black police officers are gunning down unarmed white men,young and old ,and than we can all go on and on for pages and pages discussing it

To use your own phrase...show the pattern where white police officers are gunning down unarmed black men. Oh and BTW? Since the phrase "gunning down" makes it sound as if the ones being shot are all innocent. So let's make sure that's what you find.

Not just 'innocent'.
To "gun down": to shoot someone and kill them or injure them badly, especially someone who is not guilty of anything, or who is not carrying a gun
Source: http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/gun-down


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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 1:47:23 PM   
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Tell you what,come up with some anecdotal evidence,than try to show a pattern wherein Black police officers are gunning down unarmed white men,young and old ,and than we can all go on and on for pages and pages discussing it

To use your own phrase...show the pattern where white police officers are gunning down unarmed black men. Oh and BTW? Since the phrase "gunning down" makes it sound as if the ones being shot are all innocent. So let's make sure that's what you find.

Not just 'innocent'.
To "gun down": to shoot someone and kill them or injure them badly, especially someone who is not guilty of anything, or who is not carrying a gun
Source: http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/gun-down


So if they have demonstrated they can beat you to death shooting them when they are coming back for more is "gunning them down" ok as long as you realize that this eliminates the negative connotation you want to be attached.

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 1:50:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was just clarifying mike's post and correcting CD's side-swipe response to it.
It has two meanings, not just the singular that CD referred to.


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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 1:53:55 PM   
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I was just clarifying mike's post and correcting CD's side-swipe response to it.
It has two meanings, not just the singular that CD referred to.


I knew exactly what you were doing
You were still defending the phrase chosen for it's negative connotation

ps
punctuation left out to annoy FD

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 1:55:30 PM   
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Do you even have a sarcasm detector.

Nope. Sarcasm is lost on me. Totally.

As is logic, common sense, and the truth.

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 1:57:03 PM   
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Do you even have a sarcasm detector.

Nope. Sarcasm is lost on me. Totally.

As is logic, common sense, and the truth.

lol

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 2:00:35 PM   
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Do you even have a sarcasm detector.

Nope. Sarcasm is lost on me. Totally.

As is logic, common sense, and the truth.

Since I beat you on most of those aspects, I'll treat that with the vitriolic contempt it deserves.

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 2:03:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Do you even have a sarcasm detector.

Nope. Sarcasm is lost on me. Totally.

As is logic, common sense, and the truth.

Since I beat you on most of those aspects, I'll treat that with the vitriolic contempt it deserves.

How about that you do have a sense of humor.

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 2:19:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Do you even have a sarcasm detector.

Nope. Sarcasm is lost on me. Totally.

As is logic, common sense, and the truth.

Since I beat you on most of those aspects, I'll treat that with the vitriolic contempt it deserves.

How about that you do have a sense of humor.

And some serious delusion.

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/23/2015 3:15:15 PM   
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Tell you what,come up with some anecdotal evidence,than try to show a pattern wherein Black police officers are gunning down unarmed white men,young and old ,and than we can all go on and on for pages and pages discussing it

To use your own phrase...show the pattern where white police officers are gunning down unarmed black men. Oh and BTW? Since the phrase "gunning down" makes it sound as if the ones being shot are all innocent. So let's make sure that's what you find.

Not just 'innocent'.
To "gun down": to shoot someone and kill them or injure them badly, especially someone who is not guilty of anything, or who is not carrying a gun
Source: http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/gun-down

Great. You just made my question of you even easier for you to answer.

Show us a pattern of white policeman "shooting BLACK men and kill(ing) them or injure(ing)them badly, ESPECIALLY someone who is NOT guilty of anything, or who is not carrying a gun

Take special note of that "innocent" part.

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/24/2015 6:37:32 AM   
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1. The other cases don't matter in this thread.

Whilst that may be true - it does follow a pattern of similar killings.
Ergo: it should be considered in the same light.


There can be (and one might be needed) a discussion of the larger picture, but, again, this isn't a thread for that. Start a new one with that idea, and go for it.

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2. The FBI and the US DOJ were the ones scrutinizing the case. That those two bodies didn't find reason to bring civil rights charges.

Ok... if not "civil rights", what about "excessive force" laws?
And has been seen by a lot of people, that particular law seems to be conveniently forgotten.


Apparently, the "civil rights" issue was considered more likely to have been breached than "excessive force" laws. I don't have access to all the information that the grand jury had, the DOJ had, or the FBI had. I have to accept what those bodies have found, and they say there isn't anything to go after him on, at least not at this point. You really do have to get over yourself and let people who don't hold the same opinion of yours (especially ones who have a shit ton more information and evidence than you) have their own opinions.

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If you think for even the briefest wisps of time that Eric Holder and the US DOJ under him wouldn't have brought charges if there was evidence they could use, then you're simply detached from reality.

Strange that a lot of news items when these things happen that they question if the US judiciary is actually 'turning a blind eye' to possible prosecutions.
You take it for granted that the DOJ don't make mistakes and are infallible and therefore they must be right in not bringing charges.
That is the attitude that sparked the riots.... perceived injustice.


I accept that the DOJ isn't perfect, and even admit that I don't trust it all that much. But, it isn't just the DOJ. It's the FBI, the grand jury, the DOJ, etc. Add into it, that the head of the DOJ was already leaning towards a civil rights breach, that nothing was found that warrants a case speaks volumes to me.

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/24/2015 6:44:40 AM   
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Not what you are looking for but i found this interesting... if true.
Butch

You're right,it wasn't what I was looking for....you might have found it interesting Butch,I found it dubious.


Thus, the "if true" part of Butch's post. The article quotes the study's author as saying these interviews have been done over the last 20 years. My initial thought in reading it, is if the study was done in the past month, in which case, one would have to be extremely stupid to not think that would be their beliefs. The sample of officers might only be representative of that small area, and not necessarily accurate to the Nation.

But, if the study was done with a nationally representative sample and over a long period of years, it very well might be interesting. 300 interviews over 10-20 years, though, doesn't strike me as representative of anything much larger an area than a large city.

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/24/2015 8:56:26 AM   
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Not what you are looking for but i found this interesting... if true.
Butch

You're right,it wasn't what I was looking for....you might have found it interesting Butch,I found it dubious.


Thus, the "if true" part of Butch's post. The article quotes the study's author as saying these interviews have been done over the last 20 years. My initial thought in reading it, is if the study was done in the past month, in which case, one would have to be extremely stupid to not think that would be their beliefs. The sample of officers might only be representative of that small area, and not necessarily accurate to the Nation.

But, if the study was done with a nationally representative sample and over a long period of years, it very well might be interesting. 300 interviews over 10-20 years, though, doesn't strike me as representative of anything much larger an area than a large city.

Did it say how the officers were selected. This would also have a bearing on the validity of the study.

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RE: DOJ and FBI find no evidence... - 1/24/2015 1:12:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am giving more of just my opinion on police that I know…and I know many and worked closely with them for years. They are much like myself if perhaps a bit more on the conservative side. I have found that they bend over backwards to make sure they cannot be called racists when dealing with African Americans. I will tell you with confidence that they are less likely to use deadly force with African Americans for the same reasons the article states. They want to hurt or kill NO ONE… they are just like you and I… but they understand their careers and livelihood will be put at risk if the shoot an African American… even if they deserve it.

They are aware of, and have been long before the Ferguson unrest, the perception of police in the black community. My little town has faced far worse than Ferguson with our Mayor, public works director, councilmen and women and two police officers murdered by blacks in the last 10 years.

You would think the murders would isolate blacks in the community and there would be more contention between police and African Americans but this did not happen. Community leaders of all races reached out to each other and the City set course for solving the problems that initiated the violence to begin with. It is an on going process and our City Administration and the Police stay involved in the everyday business of the African American community.

Butch

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