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RE: presidential hopeful again? - 1/25/2015 7:01:14 PM   
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I agree with aylee, and desi too...with the exception of that I hope she doesn't run. I agree she is not electable, and would better serve the conservative cause in some other way during the election season.


bounty, Palin is a Republican, not a Conservative.


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RE: presidential hopeful again? - 1/25/2015 7:03:29 PM   
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of course you do...not a big surprise there at all, and hey, you are entitled to have your opinion
just like I have

I never said you weren't entitled.
At the very least, a Palin run for the nomination would add money to the economy. I think we all agree she won't win, so there's money that might not have been spent, being spent. Give fodder to the SNL's, Maher's, etc., too.
Why shouldn't she run?

I didnt say you think im not entitled, I also didnt say she shouldnt run.


So, you state that I have a right to my opinion, and that you have the same right. Now, why would you mention that at all? That tends to imply that I said you didn't have that right. Apparently, that was my misinterpretation of your comment.




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RE: presidential hopeful again? - 1/25/2015 7:37:48 PM   
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I agree with aylee, and desi too...with the exception of that I hope she doesn't run. I agree she is not electable, and would better serve the conservative cause in some other way during the election season.


bounty, Palin is a Republican, not a Conservative.


You'll have to explain it to Palin, who clearly identifies as a conservative:
https://www.google.com/search?q=palin+conservative&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

[Yes, I get you're playing your childish nit-pick game by deliberately confusing the Conservative Party with conservative political stances, which is what people are clearly discussing here -- note the small c.]

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RE: presidential hopeful again? - 1/25/2015 7:39:50 PM   
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I agree with aylee, and desi too...with the exception of that I hope she doesn't run. I agree she is not electable, and would better serve the conservative cause in some other way during the election season.

bounty, Palin is a Republican, not a Conservative.

You'll have to explain it to Palin, who clearly identifies as a conservative:
https://www.google.com/search?q=palin+conservative&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[Yes, I get you're playing your childish nit-pick game by deliberately confusing the Conservative Party with conservative political stances, which is what people are clearly discussing here -- note the small c.]


Actually, you're wrong. I'm not playing a game regarding the "Conservative Party" at all. I can see how my capitalization could be misinterpreted (my error). So, I'll restate it...

Palin is a Republican, not a conservative.

ETA: I don't give a rat's ass what she says she is. She also said that her and John McCain were TEA Party members (at an AZ rally for McCain's Senate re-election), which is wrong on many levels.


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RE: presidential hopeful again? - 1/25/2015 7:45:34 PM   
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OK. But neither she nor a number of conservatives seem to get that.

Maybe you can 'splain it to them.

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RE: presidential hopeful again? - 1/25/2015 9:49:36 PM   
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I agree with aylee, and desi too...with the exception of that I hope she doesn't run. I agree she is not electable, and would better serve the conservative cause in some other way during the election season.


bounty, Palin is a Republican, not a Conservative.


.....almost none of them are.

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RE: presidential hopeful again? - 1/26/2015 4:49:03 AM   
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http://www.c-span.org/video/?323834-14/iowa-freedom-summit-sarah-palin
for the full "speech"
From the right leaning examiner
http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/as-2016-race-begins-gop-faces-its-palin-problem/article/2559245
DES MOINES — As a chance to evaluate possible 2016 Republican presidential candidates, the Freedom Summit here in Des Moines was a solid success. Several potential candidates — Scott Walker, Ted Cruz, Chris Christie, and a few others — left the 10-hour political marathon with their prospects undeniably enhanced.

All that was good news for Republicans. But at the same time, more than a few GOP loyalists came away shaking their heads at the performance of a party star, former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, whose long, rambling, and at times barely coherent speech left some wondering what role she should play in Republican politics as the 2016 race begins in earnest.
The news, given big play on the Drudge Report, heightened the anticipation of Palin's speech to the Freedom Summit. After all, there were still memories in the crowd of her rousing speech at the 2008 Republican convention. But when Palin took the stage, it was clear this would be no inspiring effort.

First, Palin embarked on an extended stream-of-consciousness complaint about media coverage of her decision to run in a half-marathon race in Storm Lake, Iowa in 2011. She then moved on to grumbling about coverage of a recent photo of her with a supporter who had made a sign saying "Fuc_ you Michael Moore" in reaction to the left-wing moviemaker's criticism of the film "American Sniper." Then it was on to Palin's objections about the social media ruckus over a picture of her six-year-old son Trig standing on the family's Labrador Retriever.

It was all quite petty, and yet the complaining took half of Palin's allotted time. She then proceeded to blow through her time limit with a free-association ramble on Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, the energy industry, her daughter Bristol, Margaret Thatcher, middle-class economics — "the man can only ride ya when your back is bent" — women in politics, and much more. It would be hard to say that Palin's 35-minute talk had a theme, but she did hint that she is interested in running, although there are no indications she has taken any actual steps in that direction.

"Long and disjointed," said one social conservative activist when asked for reaction. "A weird speech," said another conservative activist. "Terrible. Didn't make any sense."

"There was a certain coarseness to her that wasn't there before," said yet another social conservative who noted that some in the crowd were uncomfortable with Palin declarations like, "Screw the left in Hollywood!" (It's not that they like the left in Hollywood — just the opposite — but the crudeness of Palin's expressions turned them off.)

"I know she is popular, but it is hard to take her seriously given that performance," said Sam Clovis, the conservative Iowa college professor, radio commentator, and sometime political candidate. "Palin was a sad story Saturday. With every speech she gives, she gets worse and worse. If one were playing a political cliche drinking game, no one would have been sober after the first 15 minutes of an interminable ramble. It was really painful."

"I think she has a role in the conservative movement and in the party," Clovis continued, "but she needs to get serious about what it is she can contribute and accomplish."

To be fair, it should be noted that Clovis ran in the 2014 Republican Senate primary against Joni Ernst — a race in which Palin endorsed Ernst. (Citizens United, a sponsor of the Freedom Summit, endorsed Clovis.) But Clovis was by no way alone in faulting Palin's performance.

"Calling Gov. Palin's remarks bizarre and disjointed would be charitable," said a well-connected Iowa Republican. "Her shelf-life, even with the most conservative voters in our party, seems to be near the end. In a day filled with strong performances from likely candidates ranging from Scott Walker to Ted Cruz, her remarks were a distraction."

"It was a long and incoherent speech," added Craig Robinson, of the Iowa Republican blog. "At best, there were a few good one-liners." Robinson continued:

Of all the people I talked to about Palin's speech, only one person didn't have a negative reaction. That person basically said it was a typical Sarah Palin speech. It was received poorly by everyone else I spoke with. I'm not comfortable sharing everything I heard about the speech — it was that bad.
No offense to Gov. Palin, but I do think it is problematic to have someone give a speech like that in the midst of a string of serious speeches by people who are seriously thinking about running for president. Palin made a guy like Trump look like a serious presidential candidate today. Incredible.
By the time Palin finished speaking, it was hard for anyone to believe she truly is "seriously interested" in running for president. Palin followed former executive Carly Fiorina, who gave a well-received speech that left many in the audience wanting to hear more. Like any serious would-be candidate, Fiorina had obviously taken care to prepare the best speech she could. The contrast with Palin could not have been clearer.""

This from Bloomberg
The Democratic National Committee, meanwhile, enjoyed Palin's address so much that communications director Mo Elleithee sent out a press release Saturday night that could scarcely contain the group's glee at seeing Palin back in the national spotlight.

"Thank you!" the statement read.
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-01-26/video-reliving-sarah-palin-s-painful-petty-incoherent-speech

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RE: presidential hopeful again? - 1/26/2015 5:09:47 AM   
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Let's consider less attacks on posters and more conversation/debate on the topic please.

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RE: presidential hopeful again? - 1/26/2015 5:17:00 AM   
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Let's consider less attacks on posters and more conversation/debate on the topic please.



Such lofty goals you have, when one considers the denizens of this locale.



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RE: presidential hopeful again? - 1/26/2015 5:17:09 AM   
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I'm confused,is the thread about Lucy and her fear or is Sanity derailing a thread in order to make it about another poster ?

Sanity wouldn't do that,would he ?


Well let's see if we can't clear that up for you. Sanity's first post in this thread took a swipe at lucy with a link to something obama said that related to the pic in the op. He then responded to a reply to that post. Now while I agree it was a stupid link that didn't prove anything it was in fact about the op.

Your post on the other hand didn't mention the OP at all and it seems it's only point was to slap at sanity.

So no, in this case he wouldn't do that but you seem to have no problems doing it yourself.

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RE: presidential hopeful again? - 1/26/2015 5:19:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bounty44
I agree with aylee, and desi too...with the exception of that I hope she doesn't run. I agree she is not electable, and would better serve the conservative cause in some other way during the election season.


bounty, Palin is a Republican, not a Conservative.




I am not sure that really matters, at least not to me. The only way I could ever vote for that women is if she runs against Hillary and then it will be more of a vote against one that for the other. I just hope it doesn't come to that.

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RE: presidential hopeful again? - 1/26/2015 5:26:23 AM   
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ive read and trust what ive read before from Byron York...

however whats missing from either the post here or his original article (I didn't read it) is that the teleprompter with her speech on it apparently froze and she was forced to ad lib.

"The Republican Party’s most treasured rabble-rouser was forced to improvise part of her speech at a Tea Party conference in Iowa Saturday after her teleprompter apparently broke in the middle of her delivery."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/sarah-palin-dishes-bizarre-improvised-rant-iowa-article-1.2091124

at the same time, here is a little coverage in which the author does not mention "bizarre" or "disjointed", "grumbling" or "petty".

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1219008-sarah-palin-rips-hillary-clinton-at-gop-summit-in-iowa/

we'd all really have to watch her performance ourselves to judge...

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RE: presidential hopeful again? - 1/26/2015 5:29:30 AM   
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I agree with aylee, and desi too...with the exception of that I hope she doesn't run. I agree she is not electable, and would better serve the conservative cause in some other way during the election season.


bounty, Palin is a Republican, not a Conservative.




I am not sure that really matters, at least not to me. The only way I could ever vote for that women is if she runs against Hillary and then it will be more of a vote against one that for the other. I just hope it doesn't come to that.


id vote for her too if she ended up being the republican candidate...but she would be way down towards the bottom of my list in the primaries. right now im leaning towards ted cruz...and then bobby Jindal and rand paul behind him. need to do a lot more watching, listening and reading.

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RE: presidential hopeful again? - 1/26/2015 5:30:32 AM   
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Yeah, the rabid right can't speak without teleprompters, can they? They are pretty much one trick ponies without and substance, and I cant imagine it would be much of a stretch to extemporize a slobber.

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RE: presidential hopeful again? - 1/26/2015 5:31:53 AM   
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Yeah, the rabid right can't speak without teleprompters, can they? They are pretty much one trick ponies without and substance, and I cant imagine it would be much of a stretch to extemporize a slobber.



Are you suggesting that the folks on the left don't use them?

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RE: presidential hopeful again? - 1/26/2015 5:34:16 AM   
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I'm confused,is the thread about Lucy and her fear or is Sanity derailing a thread in order to make it about another poster ?

Sanity wouldn't do that,would he ?


Well let's see if we can't clear that up for you. Sanity's first post in this thread took a swipe at lucy with a link to something obama said that related to the pic in the op. He then responded to a reply to that post. Now while I agree it was a stupid link that didn't prove anything it was in fact about the op.

Your post on the other hand didn't mention the OP at all and it seems it's only point was to slap at sanity.

So no, in this case he wouldn't do that but you seem to have no problems doing it yourself.

so sanity DIDNT try to make it about me and my imagined"fear"? REALLY?
did you read the second page?
And "my" fear was supposedly what was so important to him and made it about me.
then there were three posters, two of whom have me on hide, chose to take what was "thought", out of context or any realm of fact, because they havent got the balls to read what I actually said.
We may disagree a LOT but I do admire your cohones, bigger than any of the rw males that spout bullshit here regularly


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RE: presidential hopeful again? - 1/26/2015 5:38:56 AM   
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ive read and trust what ive read before from Byron York...

however whats missing from either the post here or his original article (I didn't read it) is that the teleprompter with her speech on it apparently froze and she was forced to ad lib.

"The Republican Party’s most treasured rabble-rouser was forced to improvise part of her speech at a Tea Party conference in Iowa Saturday after her teleprompter apparently broke in the middle of her delivery."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/sarah-palin-dishes-bizarre-improvised-rant-iowa-article-1.2091124

at the same time, here is a little coverage in which the author does not mention "bizarre" or "disjointed", "grumbling" or "petty".

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1219008-sarah-palin-rips-hillary-clinton-at-gop-summit-in-iowa/

we'd all really have to watch her performance ourselves to judge...



The teleprompter was mentioned in all three links I posted. I posted the link to the full speech at the top from C-span, I guess you can post all the links you want, with all the opinions you want, but if you didnt watch the speech itself or read the transript, then you are not really smart enough to make an informed opinion.


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RE: presidential hopeful again? - 1/26/2015 5:41:42 AM   
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Yeah, the rabid right can't speak without teleprompters, can they? They are pretty much one trick ponies without and substance, and I cant imagine it would be much of a stretch to extemporize a slobber.



Are you suggesting that the folks on the left don't use them?

I think Ron is talking about the hilarity when the rw went crazy over Obamas use of teleprompters.
At least she didnt use her hand


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RE: presidential hopeful again? - 1/26/2015 5:43:42 AM   
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I'm confused,is the thread about Lucy and her fear or is Sanity derailing a thread in order to make it about another poster ?

Sanity wouldn't do that,would he ?


Well let's see if we can't clear that up for you. Sanity's first post in this thread took a swipe at lucy with a link to something obama said that related to the pic in the op. He then responded to a reply to that post. Now while I agree it was a stupid link that didn't prove anything it was in fact about the op.

Your post on the other hand didn't mention the OP at all and it seems it's only point was to slap at sanity.

So no, in this case he wouldn't do that but you seem to have no problems doing it yourself.

so sanity DIDNT try to make it about me and my imagined"fear"? REALLY?
did you read the second page?
And "my" fear was supposedly what was so important to him and made it about me.
then there were three posters, two of whom have me on hide, chose to take what was "thought", out of context or any realm of fact, because they havent got the balls to read what I actually said.
We may disagree a LOT but I do admire your cohones, bigger than any of the rw males that spout bullshit here regularly




Did I read it? Well I referenced both posts he had made before the one I responded to, so yes I must have. Funny that you missed that part. And since you and sanity were the only ones who had posted when Mike jumped in and I responded I am not sure what others said on the rest of that page matter.

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RE: presidential hopeful again? - 1/26/2015 5:45:52 AM   
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Yeah, the rabid right can't speak without teleprompters, can they? They are pretty much one trick ponies without and substance, and I cant imagine it would be much of a stretch to extemporize a slobber.



Are you suggesting that the folks on the left don't use them?

I think Ron is talking about the hilarity when the rw went crazy over Obamas use of teleprompters.
At least she didnt use her hand




Then you give the dancing man more credit than I do. Although I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see him claim it now that you have said this.

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