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RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. - 1/29/2015 8:25:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Found innocent by a jury of his peers does not preclude me from holding the opinion that he is murdering racist scum,many a member of a lynch mob was adjudicated innocent.

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RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. - 1/29/2015 8:27:05 PM   
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Found innocent by a jury of his peers does not preclude me from holding the opinion that he is murdering racist scum,many a member of a lynch mob was adjudicated innocent.

Holder investigated him for racism and civil rights violations and even he could find anything.

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RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. - 1/29/2015 9:39:11 PM   
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Found innocent by a jury of his peers does not preclude me from holding the opinion that he is murdering racist scum,many a member of a lynch mob was adjudicated innocent.

Yes...by peers just as racist as the lunch mob.

You're entitled to your opinion but...
Got the facts on how many on Zimmerman's jury were racist? And a source for those facts?

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RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. - 1/30/2015 12:16:51 AM   
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I thought it was an attempted vehicular homicide thread. <GRIN>

You could say it is. The teen tried to kill the cops with her car and paid for it.
To show the brilliance of the critics, one asked why the cops didn't just use a stun gun on her......while she is in a moving car.


If the car is her's; then how can it be stolen?

I think most people can understand why a stun gun would not have been used, given conditions. That the nature of the stun gun's mechanics would be irrelevant to a vehicle that could handle being hit be a rather large amount of voltage.

Now if the car was a convertible with the top down, one could make an argument for the stun gun....IF...it hit an unprotected area.

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RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. - 1/30/2015 12:27:17 AM   
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Found innocent by a jury of his peers does not preclude me from holding the opinion that he is murdering racist scum,many a member of a lynch mob was adjudicated innocent.

Holder investigated him for racism and civil rights violations and even he could find anything.

Holder never investigated anyone for racism ,as far as I know "racism"isn't a federal crime.
Holder couldn't find grounds to bring charges for civil rights violation....but their(yeah,I'm throwing Wilson under this bus too)crime was murder,manslaughter or some other comparable STATE crime....the Fed couldn't prosecute them for murder in a federal court.

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RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. - 1/30/2015 12:53:09 AM   
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I thought it was an attempted vehicular homicide thread. <GRIN>

Actually my motive was not so much about guns as the knee jerk reaction many people have when, regardless of the situation they assume the police had to be wrong.


I once had a course in college entitled "Labor Unions". As you might imagine, the nature of the course was about the American unions. The creation, adaptations, and history. Including case studies on various current (at the time) problems facing unions and management. I went to a liberal college that was very politically conservative (yeah, try to understand that one....). The professor was in the unions for about thirty years, and so I figured this would be quite an interesting class to learn from. Not often in business schools do the students see and hear the perspective of things from the union side.

The professor asks everyone to take a piece of paper out and answer the following question on it: "During a dispute between a Union and the Management; whom do you tend to side with initially?" The papers were passed up to him. Nineteen votes for 'management', one for 'union'. And mine: "It depends on the circumstances, events, history, and actions between the two sides. Both sides could be right or wrong. But making a snap decision based on no actual evidence or information would mean I might be biased towards one or the other. And the side I'm initially biased to, might have one or more really good points."

Like with that class, I approach this topic in a neutral stance. The gathered information does not point to the cops failing in their duty nor being 'in the wrong'. Information is limited. That is why good police work would call for proper investigating of facts. Interviewing any eyewitnesses, observing the scene, looking for past histories of everyone involved and maybe 'gut instincts' to put a proper picture together. The whole thing should go to a trial regardless. Allows a judge and maybe a jury to decide things based on the information gathered.

Some threads had provided much in the way of information to start a discussion. This one seems really absent of information. Or at least the informaiton I've seen so far.

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RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. - 1/30/2015 4:35:28 AM   
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I thought it was an attempted vehicular homicide thread. <GRIN>

Actually my motive was not so much about guns as the knee jerk reaction many people have when, regardless of the situation they assume the police had to be wrong.

what is interesting is your own knee jerk reaction to the situation, and so far nobody has claimed the cops were wrong.
But once again, you are claiming it is OTHER people who are knee jerking the thread
page 1 has NO ONE claiming either the cops were wrong or the girl was innocent,
lets see....page two nobody calling the cops wrong but lots of blaming the chick. and accusing the other girl of lying, but nothing about the cops being wrong.
Apart from the zimmerman honourable mention on page three again nothing against the police, only the dead 17 year old.
NOTHING close to what you are and continue to claim.


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RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. - 1/30/2015 4:41:40 AM   
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Found innocent by a jury of his peers does not preclude me from holding the opinion that he is murdering racist scum,many a member of a lynch mob was adjudicated innocent.

Holder investigated him for racism and civil rights violations and even he could find anything.

Holder never investigated anyone for racism ,as far as I know "racism"isn't a federal crime.
Holder couldn't find grounds to bring charges for civil rights violation....but their(yeah,I'm throwing Wilson under this bus too)crime was murder,manslaughter or some other comparable STATE crime....the Fed couldn't prosecute them for murder in a federal court.


actually "racism" IS a federal crime,

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 enacted 18 U.S.C. § 245(b)(2), which permits federal prosecution of anyone who "willingly injures, intimidates or interferes with another person, or attempts to do so, by force because of the other person's race, color, religion or national origin


as is murder OPPPS

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1111

and apparently so is manslaughter

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1112

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RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. - 1/30/2015 4:46:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Would you mind showing where Racism is classed as a federal crime.
Or do you mean, a crime committed with a racist motive is a federal crime?

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RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. - 1/30/2015 5:05:29 AM   
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RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. - 1/30/2015 6:38:59 AM   
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This is hilarious!

The OP, stating his intention was to draw out knee jerk anti-cop reactions, has sparked instead three pages "retorting" a position no one took, and added to that all the knee jerk defensive crew posting their sound bytes essentially to each other, and pulling up now their old knee jerk topic reactions. Some psychology text somewhere could do a chapter on this thread alone.

Zimmerman lives.

Too funny. And those doing it are oblivious.

Fascinating. Just fascinating.

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RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. - 1/30/2015 6:44:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		zimmerman is in trouble again but im not mentioning that.
the rest of it would be hilarious if only they could see just how *wrong* they think they are about other posters when they are only guilty of it themselves


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RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. - 1/30/2015 7:40:18 AM   
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Found innocent by a jury of his peers does not preclude me from holding the opinion that he is murdering racist scum,many a member of a lynch mob was adjudicated innocent.

Holder's investigation found otherwise.

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RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. - 1/30/2015 7:42:27 AM   
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Found innocent by a jury of his peers does not preclude me from holding the opinion that he is murdering racist scum,many a member of a lynch mob was adjudicated innocent.

NM

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RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. - 1/30/2015 7:45:44 AM   
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I thought it was an attempted vehicular homicide thread. <GRIN>

You could say it is. The teen tried to kill the cops with her car and paid for it.
To show the brilliance of the critics, one asked why the cops didn't just use a stun gun on her......while she is in a moving car.


If the car is her's; then how can it be stolen?

I think most people can understand why a stun gun would not have been used, given conditions. That the nature of the stun gun's mechanics would be irrelevant to a vehicle that could handle being hit be a rather large amount of voltage.

Now if the car was a convertible with the top down, one could make an argument for the stun gun....IF...it hit an unprotected area.

They ran the plates, it came back stolen. Who said it was her car?

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RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. - 1/30/2015 7:47:14 AM   
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Found innocent by a jury of his peers does not preclude me from holding the opinion that he is murdering racist scum,many a member of a lynch mob was adjudicated innocent.

Holder investigated him for racism and civil rights violations and even he could find anything.

Holder never investigated anyone for racism ,as far as I know "racism"isn't a federal crime.
Holder couldn't find grounds to bring charges for civil rights violation....but their(yeah,I'm throwing Wilson under this bus too)crime was murder,manslaughter or some other comparable STATE crime....the Fed couldn't prosecute them for murder in a federal court.

Both were self defense and you should be able to understand this. Your moving up, only about 9 months behind now.

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RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. - 1/30/2015 7:49:31 AM   
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This is hilarious!

The OP, stating his intention was to draw out knee jerk anti-cop reactions, has sparked instead three pages "retorting" a position no one took, and added to that all the knee jerk defensive crew posting their sound bytes essentially to each other, and pulling up now their old knee jerk topic reactions. Some psychology text somewhere could do a chapter on this thread alone.

Zimmerman lives.

Too funny. And those doing it are oblivious.

Fascinating. Just fascinating.


We could rehash Zimmerman if it would make you feel better

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RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. - 1/30/2015 7:49:40 AM   
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I thought it was an attempted vehicular homicide thread. <GRIN>

You could say it is. The teen tried to kill the cops with her car and paid for it.
To show the brilliance of the critics, one asked why the cops didn't just use a stun gun on her......while she is in a moving car.


If the car is her's; then how can it be stolen?

I think most people can understand why a stun gun would not have been used, given conditions. That the nature of the stun gun's mechanics would be irrelevant to a vehicle that could handle being hit be a rather large amount of voltage.

Now if the car was a convertible with the top down, one could make an argument for the stun gun....IF...it hit an unprotected area.

They ran the plates, it came back stolen. Who said it was her car?


Actually you did in the bolded part.
Now anyone with any common sense could have figured out what you meant, but then there are others who will jump at the chance to say you are wrong no matter how stupid it makes them look.

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RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. - 1/30/2015 7:50:18 AM   
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RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. - 1/30/2015 7:55:57 AM   
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I thought it was an attempted vehicular homicide thread. <GRIN>

You could say it is. The teen tried to kill the cops with her car and paid for it.
To show the brilliance of the critics, one asked why the cops didn't just use a stun gun on her......while she is in a moving car.


If the car is her's; then how can it be stolen?

I think most people can understand why a stun gun would not have been used, given conditions. That the nature of the stun gun's mechanics would be irrelevant to a vehicle that could handle being hit be a rather large amount of voltage.

Now if the car was a convertible with the top down, one could make an argument for the stun gun....IF...it hit an unprotected area.

They ran the plates, it came back stolen. Who said it was her car?


Actually you did in the bolded part.
Now anyone with any common sense could have figured out what you meant, but then there are others who will jump at the chance to say you are wrong no matter how stupid it makes them look.

You are correct start to finish.
I should have said the car.

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