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Yet this very post shows you why it is almost impossible to take the fight to them. They have no fixed base, in an area of the world with no real borders. They move fluidly between Syria and Iraq, just as the Taliban and AQ move fluidly between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

As for stopping them, well there was one thing GWB and Blair could have done (although I doubt Tony got much say) And that would have been to do what Bush Cheney et al claimed they would do. BUILD AN INCLUSIVE IRAQ. The day Bremer sacked the majority of Sunnis from any posts they held in the Government/Army, then the seeds of today were sown. AQ gained a stronghold among the Sunni, something they never had, despite georges claim, when saddam was in power. Infact back in 2010 American forces had killed most of the original leaders of ISIL, many of the new leaders come from the original Baathist officers who were under Saddam.

Does anyone doubt that if they had had better equality under Shia rule, we would be where we are today.

The seeds for ISIS were sewn when Barack Obama laughingly called them "Junior Varsity" as he headed out to the golf course

Under Saddam & Sons the Baathists (Sunnis) ruled over the Shia and everyone else in Iraq with bloody iron fists. Whatever the question, genocide was the answer

The perfect people in your view to run Iraq, but thats no surprise

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As for stopping them, well there was one thing GWB and Blair could have done (although I doubt Tony got much say) And that would have been to do what Bush Cheney et al claimed they would do. BUILD AN INCLUSIVE IRAQ. The day Bremer sacked the majority of Sunnis from any posts they held in the Government/Army, then the seeds of today were sown. AQ gained a stronghold among the Sunni, something they never had, despite georges claim, when saddam was in power. Infact back in 2010 American forces had killed most of the original leaders of ISIL, many of the new leaders come from the original Baathist officers who were under Saddam.
Does anyone doubt that if they had had better equality under Shia rule, we would be where we are today.

Part of Iraq not being inclusive, is due to the Iraqi's, too. I'm not saying Bush was blameless, but it wasn't all on him (and/or Blair).

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That's not even close to what he said. You don't have to agree with anything he said, but don't misrepresent it. There's plenty of things to disagree with.

I'd venture to say the seeds were sown as Polite mentioned, but "fertilized" by Obama's comments. IS was around before Obama made his statement, so those "seeds" had already been sown.

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Perhaps he hasnt "said" that here but that is his general meme

And no, you are mistaken about ISIS. ISIS formed in Syria (which as far as American foreign policy is concerned, todays Syria is Obamas baby, and his alone)

When the burgeoning ISIS issue was brought to Barack Obamas attention early on, Obama very publicly chose to ignore it

Now Obamas baby is all grown up

Or put another way, Obamas chickens have come home to roost

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No, I think he correctly pinned that one on you.

Ever consider NOT trying to make every thread about other posters?

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sounds like too many people are channeling Himmler.

And we have Godwin's law.

Himmler? Really Lucy, read some history. Himmler was NOT a tactician. In fact the commands he did hold (as far as fighting goes) did NOT go well for him.

"How to win a war" has really not changed in the last thousands of years. Which is why you have seen the Romans referenced. Think about it this way. . . what did it take for the Persians to win at the Battle of Thermopylae? If you are unsure, there is a movie about it.

But if you really want a comparison to a German, here you go: "Bleed them white." Field Marshal Erich von Falkenhayn, World War I (1916).


Of course I may have misunderstood your comment and what you are referring to is the number of posters who think we should just "make peace" with ISIS. That would also be "Himmler-ish."

oh waaah
just callin it like I see it,
I dont give a shit about godwins law darlin.
YOU are thinking 2-3 million people, need to die.
and you have a problem with me?
I could care less, what you think
himmler charted the final solution, pogroms to get rid of the jews.
you are talking about attempting genocide,
get off your high horse,

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Yet this very post shows you why it is almost impossible to take the fight to them.

Far too hard for other Muslims to take the fight to them, at least until they burn one of their favorite sons alive

After that, we shall see

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I haven't checked the veracity of this, but it's being reported, by a few different sources.

Apparently, the Jordanian pilot was killed a month ago, right after he was captured and IS was still demanding ransom (and a "misunderstood" female suicide bomber), right before the video of this animal brutality was released.

People are saying that this is also a blow for IS because their credibility (if they had any) regarding negotiations for ransom is now shot all to hell and gone; that people can now factor in: "Well, shit. We can give them the money and our people will be dead, anyway".

I will posit that one of the problems with a "war on terror" is that terrorists don't have a government (although, they probably have a hierarchy). They're spread all over the place like horse shit in the lower forty (I like the analogy of scumbag terrorists to horse shit. Sue me). I think, though, that it may be fair to say that IS is using Syria as a base of operations.

I said, in another thread, recently that it is time for us to stop letting Islamic scumba ... errr ... extremists bring the fight to us. It is time to bring the fight to them and this is one fight we had better fight to win, from the beginning. No "peace keeping" bullshit. They need to to be eradicated and annihilated.



Michael

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Shhesh, you post so much crap that my fingers are worn out answering you.

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Now you are suggesting they are only taking the fight to ISIS, only after the pilot was murdered. The very pilot shot down while........ errr taking the fight to ISIS. Thats without your ignoring all the other Muslims involved in the fight against ISIS, Kurds, some Sunni tribes, Shias etc.

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I guess you will be signing up to go huh

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Shhesh, you post so much crap that my fingers are worn out answering you.

No one is forcing you to keep your trollish little nose up my ass, john

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Now you are suggesting they are only taking the fight to ISIS, only after the pilot was murdered. The very pilot shot down while........ errr taking the fight to ISIS. Thats without your ignoring all the other Muslims involved in the fight against ISIS, Kurds, some Sunni tribes, Shias etc.

Flying the occasional sortie isnt doing anything except pissing them off a little bit.

Take the fight to them means take the fight to them. Actually send in troops and eliminate them.

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FFS There was no ISIS, no AQ in Iraq, and no bombings in London prior to the 2003 invasion. The reason for the discontent by the Sunnis was the installation of a Shia Government by Bush and Co. You speak abpout the Sunnis having less eqaulity when the reason is so fucking obvious you are tripping over it.

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I want to clear something up:
When I said: "We need to take the fight to them", I did not mean that I want our troops sent into harm's way.
Supposedly, every action we take, now "requires" a "coalition". I don't usually like the idea but, this time, I'll cave.
The Jordanians look like they're good and pissed off and that's great. Lookie, you seem to think that the Saudis are going to get involved. I'm all for it.
I think this is the time for a couple of different things. I want to see some action by these millions of moderate Muslims I keep hearing about (maybe we are seeing that). I also think that whatever help (equipment, money, etc.) that our "coalition" needs, I'd be willing to let that be our contribution.
Like I've been saying for a while (and maybe we are going to see it): If Islam is such a peaceful group and it's true that a vast majority are so repulsed by what the radicals do, the majority, stepping up would go a long way to mending some fences.
Michael

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I want to clear something up:

When I said: "We need to take the fight to them", I did not mean that I want our troops sent into harm's way.

Supposedly, every action we take, now "requires" a "coalition". I don't usually like the idea but, this time, I'll cave.

The Jordanians look like they're good and pissed off and that's great. Lookie, you seem to think that the Saudis are going to get involved. I'm all for it.

I think this is the time for a couple of different things. I want to see some action by these millions of moderate Muslims I keep hearing about (maybe we are seeing that). I also think that whatever help (equipment, money, etc.) that our "coalition" needs, I'd be willing to let that be our contribution.

Like I've been saying for a while (and maybe we are going to see it): If Islam is such a peaceful group and it's true that a vast majority are so repulsed by what the radicals do, the majority, stepping up would go a long way to mending some fences.



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I'm hoping this was the proverbial "last straw" that finally motivates the majority of Muslims to do something about the violent extremists who claim the same religious mantle.

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You fucking halfwit