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Threatening someone is battery.

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How is it, this little shit can get away with breaking more than one federal laws and escape the law?

First of all, didn't you read the article? He's out on $100k bail. That means he hasn't gotten away with anything. He just hasn't been tried yet. Are you willing to forego his right to a trial, just because he's a rich brat?

What is $100,000 bail to someone with access to $100,000,000+? That's like $0.10 to you or me. Does that sound pathetic to you? Imagine all those whom are being charged with murder, rape, armed robbery, and even terrorism; whom can post a $0.10 bail. Do you...REALLY....want them on the streets so quickly?

Did I mention he doesn't have a right to trial? No, I expect him to go to trial like anyone else accused of crimes. That he is treated no differently than someone else that doesnt have access to vast fortunes, political favors, and influence over the courts.

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From the details in the article, I can't see how this kid isn't going to be spending time in jail. If he gets away with the things he's accused of doing, I'll be just as pissed as you that he was able to buy his way out. At this point, though, that would be jumping the gun, so to speak.

So what sort of punishment could an 'average joe' expect to receive after all of this stuff? Just for clogging up a smoke detector in the bathroom is like $2200-5000. For the average 'joe', that's a pile of money. How much is it, to someone with $100,000,000? The 'penalty' becomes laughable.

Threatening someone is battery. The average 'joe' with a court appointed lawyer, could face some serious penalities. Now compare that with someone that can have an army of lawyers that know their shit? Like the 'Dream Team' O.J. Simpson had.

Why do we not see more people behaving like savages on a plane? The penalties are pretty damn stiff. But those penalties are for 'average' people with 'average' resources. What if the penalty was just a nickle? Or you had to wait off the plane until everyone else was on it, to be escorted to to your first class seat? How much would that be a penalty?

Joe. . . do you have a clue on what the point of bail even is?

It is not a punishment. Nor is it proof that someone is guilty.

Bail's sole purpose is to ensure that the defendant is going to show up in court. Is there something that you are personally privy to, that the judge and everyone else are not, regarding the future where this dude skips out on his trial and goes into hiding?

You didnt quite....grasp....what I was explaining.

The purpose of bail is a promise by the defendant that he or she will arrive to court on all the dates of trial without a problem or issue. That the bail is typically one-tenth of the actual amount. So the defendant (or someone posting bail) on $5,000 bail, would pay a fine of $50,000 if the defendant didn't show up. Now try to keep up here, because this is where it gets complicated. If the bail is set to $100,000, that is one-tenth of a million dollars. How big of a burden is that to someone worth over a hundred million dollars?

Likewise, imagine someone whom got caught by police before he or she could execute someone they wanted dead, and had a vast fortune? If they are kept in jail, they cant do harm to that person. But out on bail, they could go after the person. Its sounds unlikely or something out of a good thriller novel. But as the saying goes: truth is often stranger than fiction.

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I am good with equal under the law. Which is why I am more annoyed that David Gregory has not been prosecuted.
Back in the day a guy showing his ass like Hilton ways would have gotten his teeth knocked in. Too bad that was not able to happen here. Or at least coshed in the head by a male flight attendant.

I wonder how Joether is going to address the Brian Williams lie.

No I don't.

Like conservatives/libertarians hold conservative media to the same level of accountability and responsibility with 'the press' as Mr. Williams? How often does FOX 'news' lie again, DS? How many threads have you created attacking FOX 'news' for lying in the last year? None of you conservative/libertarians have a leg to stand on....

That Mr. Williams embellished on a story when he knows better, is disappointing. He has a freedom of speech to embellish things. Otherwise, we have to hold FOX news to several million moments of 'embellishing'. Where is the thread on that one again? Oh that's right, not created....

You want to hang Mr. Williams? Sure, just after you do the same from Hannity to Stormfront. Don't see that happening in the next ten years....

What Williams did is closer to "stolen valor" although I will say he did not try and get a free meal at Applebees.

Now who is embellishing things?

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"When the only tool in your [sic]toolbox[sic] is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a nail"?



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ORIGINAL: joetherThe purpose of bail is a promise by the defendant that he or she will arrive to court on all the dates of trial without a problem or issue. That the bail is typically one-tenth of the actual amount. So the defendant (or someone posting bail) on $5,000 bail, would pay a fine of $50,000 if the defendant didn't show up. Now try to keep up here, because this is where it gets complicated. If the bail is set to $100,000, that is one-tenth of a million dollars. How big of a burden is that to someone worth over a hundred million dollars?
Likewise, imagine someone whom got caught by police before he or she could execute someone they wanted dead, and had a vast fortune? If they are kept in jail, they cant do harm to that person. But out on bail, they could go after the person. Its sounds unlikely or something out of a good thriller novel. But as the saying goes: truth is often stranger than fiction.

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I think we've gotten far enough off track with the whole "Affordable Obamacare Act" discussion. Let's instead focus on the Original Topic of how long the sniveling piece of diamond encrusted shit should spend in prison for douchebaggery on a post 911 airplane. I started the bidding at 5 years, do I hear 10?

My vote is for whatever is appropriate for the crime(s) he's actually guilty of committing. But, I'm crazy like that.

So your basically stating your 'ok' with the person with a vast fortune behaving like an asshole to people and being held to no accountability or responsibility? What is $5,000 to someone worth over $100,000,000? Its like a tenth of a penny to you or me. Would you speed down the road over the posted limit if your penalty is just a penny? Or beating someone up? Evading your taxes? Or....murdering someone?
Because that REALLY is what your advocating here. That there should be two separate groups of people in the nation. The rich, powerful and influential....and everyone else. That the first group could murder you in broad daylight, middle of the street, with over ten thousand witnesses; and only be expected a few hours in jail, slap on the wrist, and pay $0.41. Is your existence....REALLY....that pathetic and lame, DS?
I would think your worth a bit more; but thats just my opinion!

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Does Hannity report on events taking place? Go ahead and say 'no'. I dare you....

No. He analyzes and comments on events taking place. His show is not a news show, but a show about the opinions of the host of that show.

Remeber this comment?
...I don't watch Hannity...
That's your comment from two posts above the one I'm replying to. That you seem to know much about Mr. Hannity and his show for someone that doesnt observe it at all. Mr. Hannity reports a 'slanted' view of the news. Because in order for his audience to have a clue what he's babbling about, it makes logical sense he would have to explain the news, right?
...THEREFORE....he reports on the news. A basic fact you and many others are not grasping.

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No...he doesn't. By comments on the news that's been reported. People like Williams REPORT the news and people like Rachel Maddow and Bill Maher and Sean Hannity COMMENT on it.

So if all four state that some Jordan Pilot was burned to death in a cage by ISIS; only one of them is REPORTING the information? Your full of shit!

For many people, they'll get their information from either or both reporters and commentators on a topic. Conservative talk radio is chalk full of people that report on information while interlacing it with opinion and comments. Prove me wrong....

An you cant do it. We both know it! Good journalism means to report information and facts to the best of one's knowledge without opinion. When was the last time FOX 'news' reported on information without inputting their conservative spin on topics?

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Sean Patrick Hannity[1] (born December 30, 1961) is an American television host, author, and conservative political commentator.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_HannityHannity

Rachel Anne Maddow (i/ˈmædoʊ/,;[3] born April 1, 1973) is an American television host, political commentator, and author.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Maddow

Brian Douglas Williams (born May 5, 1959) is an American journalist who is the anchor and managing editor of NBC Nightly News.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Williams

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They all report the news. Mr. Williams does a good job of staying neutral on the information. When President Obama was giving his second in-arguable speech on the White House steps, every news agency around the planet was reporting it. The ones in the USA were reporting it live. All except for FOX 'news'. What was FOX 'news' reporting on at the time? How Oregon farm hands used the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 to score some $48,000 dollars in part time work. Yeah, a 'real news' story of the hour, right? Please, FOX 'news' and other conservative sites are so full of shit its silly. The only people that cant admit reality are the stupid morons that get schooled on forums and discussions.

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Now Joether...I know this is hard for you when you're foaming at the mouth like you are but please take a look at those three descriptions. Note that Hannity and Maddow are described as COMMENTATORS...NOT journalists/reporters. Note that Brian Williams is described as a JOURNALIST...NOT a political commentator. Hell, he's even the EDITOR of the Nightly News.

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Your trying to split hairs to keep your failed argument on life support for another minute.

What is a reporter? "One whom reports." And what is a synonym of 'report'? "Comments'. And what does a commentator do? They 'Comment'. Which is like reporting.....

You dont have an argument. Your supporting 'information' is a silly and stupid attempt at sounding creditible. That you cherry pick your 'information' and try to sell it pass someone that will....RESEARCH....to find the correct information, is lame.

There is an old saying CD: When your in a hole during a discussion, stop digging!

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The tenth thing is for going to a bail bondsman.

The purpose of bail is to ensure they show up. This is why sometimes (quite often, if not most, I think) there is no monetary bail set.

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The question is not, "What amount of bail hurts this person to pay," it is "what amount ensures this person shows up"?

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We do not keep people in jail because they "might" commit a crime. A psych ward, possibly.

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Even more odd that you would dare open your mouth or type comments without a clue of what your babbling about in a poor and lame attempt at humor.

Of all the people on this forum, (Sanity included), you get schooled by just about everyone!

If I am ever judged by the enemies I've made, you alone will be enough to put me over the top.

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The tenth thing is for going to a bail bondsman.

The purpose of bail is to ensure they show up. This is why sometimes (quite often, if not most, I think) there is no monetary bail set.

The reason why a bail can not be issued, is due to the structure of a law that has been broken; or at the Judge's discretion based on evidence, history, and arguments in the court room. However, a judge has to be impartial. That for two crimes, with similar circumstances, the judge handles things in like terms. Since any deviation from that can be used by the defense. Its how we keep the real psychos off the street after they have been arrested. Because other psychos were denied bail.

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The question is not, "What amount of bail hurts this person to pay," it is "what amount ensures this person shows up"?

Cant they be the same? Since $5,000 to a guy whom has a $50K/year job is stiff compared to someone with $100,000,000 in assets. We want to make sure the individual will come back for a trial and not skip the nation, right?

So if the person with a $100,000,000 worth of assets will come to trial when their bail total (not what they pay) is $10,000,000. They skip the nation, we claim their assets. That's a huge incentive to come to trial, isnt it?

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We do not keep people in jail because they "might" commit a crime. A psych ward, possibly.

Actually people are kept in jail because they would be....highly...likely to commit a crime. There was one witness to a crime. Oops, their dead, and the 'bailed' individual has an alibi. Now the state doesnt have a case and the person walks away from a serious crime. There are reasons the accused are held in jail. That you dont understand why, is not sufficient reason to let them out. The purpose of posting bail is so one does not sit in jail until their trial.