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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

Conservative, liberal or left-wing; there will not be a time when a platform is shared with the far right (in England).

The reason being that members of the far right are uniformly ill-educated and devoid of any claim to political acumen.

Wellington once described his army as the scum of the earth, and that's how we view the far right.

So how do you view the far left?

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Police in swoop on 45 more men over child sex grooming: 'Milestone' operation sees dozens of Asian suspects charged with rape, sexual assault and trafficking

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In a separate case, 25 men from Halifax, West Yorkshire, were charged with a number of historic and child-related sex offences.

Almost all of the men in both cases are from Asian backgrounds, prompting police leading one of the cases to warn that far-Right groups may use the issue to stir up racial tension.

Because "racial tension" is just as bad as rape, sexual assault, and trafficking?

What is so wrong with people getting upset over this? Sounds like its about time for the far-right, the right, the center, the liberals and anyone else that has some basic standards to get upset.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

I have never had an urge to fling a baby into a chair, let alone an uncontrollable urge to do so.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

No, Aylee, you don't get it: the Radical Right simply wants any excuse to stir up bigotry and hatred. It's not a question of them having 'standards': their 'standards' were clearly expressed in the Holocaust. What's needed is to recognize Rightism as a pathology, and outlaw it.

I barely know where to begin here:

a quote by hitler: "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

Hitler was named "Man of the Year" in 1938 by Time Magazine. They noted Hitler's anti-capitalistic economic policies:

some of the tenets of the National Socialist German Workers Party Platform:

"We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens.
"We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
"We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.
"We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.
"We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores,
"The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education
"The State must ensure that the nation's health standards…

in short: "To put the whole of this programme into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power for the Reich; the unconditional authority of the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of Corporations based on estate and occupation for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the Reich in the various German states."

hitler on gun control: "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms."

hitler and abortion: When the Nazis came to power in 1933 one of the first acts Hitler did was to legalize abortion. By 1935 Germany with 65 million people was the place where over 500,000 abortions were being performed each year.


fascism is a form of totalitarianism where private property doesn't really exist and the power is concentrated in corporations owned and operated by the state.

any of those things sound familiar??

and in case you miss the irony of your "holocaust" point. there is nothing inherently "right" about bigotry, in fact, conservatives and libertarian types are primarily color blind when it comes to race and ethnicity, as opposed to leftists who see pretty everything through that particular prism---and um---its the left who were then and are today, the anti-Semitic crowd.

Nazism is a leftists wet dream.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: epiphiny43

American Rightists are color blind? What planet is that? Every one I know sends me disgusting jokes in email about blacks, hispanics, muslims and . . . French. Oh, for the simple days of Evil Communism.

I don't suppose it ever occurred to you to get some new friends. I know all sorts of people on the right and NONE of them EVER send me crap like that. If they did, it would only happen once.

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

you drooling troll.


Get a grown up to explain how the set "all other parties" includes .... well all the other fucking parties. Which would include, on account of them being in the set "all other parties", any "party" (being the attribute that causes them to be in the set) that is socialist or communist.

[Ed to insert two commas]

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

Conservative, liberal or left-wing; there will not be a time when a platform is shared with the far right (in England).

The reason being that members of the far right are uniformly ill-educated and devoid of any claim to political acumen.

Wellington once described his army as the scum of the earth, and that's how we view the far right.

So how do you view the far left?

I'm not sure a far left exists in this country, and the far right will be somewhere around 0.5% of the population. It's a moderate country born to compromise, and the absence of any significant far right and far left speaks volumes in terms of what we think about both extremes.

Socialists, however, and there tends to be few of them these days, are undoubtedly better educated than the far right (in this country).

Given a chance, they remain a mob, and to me they're pretty much the same people as the far right except they're shouting about different things.

So, much better educated, but a mob all the same - when occasion calls.

And, to the other bloke, yes, whatever else the left are, they are certainly not racist (in England any road).

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

you drooling troll.


Get a grown up to explain how the set "all other parties" includes .... well all the other fucking parties. Which would include, on account of them being in the set "all other parties", any "party" (being the attribute that causes them to be in the set) that is socialist or communist.

[Ed to insert two commas]

They banned the competition.

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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

What's needed is to recognize Rightism as a pathology, and outlaw it.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Lucy we had an asshole like that in Missouri... thank heavens he was defeated in the election...but... he was conservative and well educated. I just think education, or lack of it, is not a good indicator of racism or misogyny.

Butch

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The reason being that members of the far right are uniformly ill-educated and devoid of any claim to political acumen.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I just think education, or lack of it, is not a good indicator of racism or misogyny.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

lets take this chap shall we?
A Republican state lawmaker said Thursday that women who become pregnant from sexual assault should not be exempt from an anti-abortion measure, because childbirth resulting from rape is "beautiful."

"Obviously rape is awful," West Virginia Del. Brian Kurcaba (R) said during a committee hearing on a new abortion restriction, according to David Gutman, a Charleston Gazette reporter. "What is beautiful is the child that could come from this."

Kurcaba, a financial adviser, was elected to the House of Delegates in November.


He may be a financial advisor, but he is ignorant about women and rape
and he is a lawmaker....if he was educated to believe that women are more than incubators. He couldnt be as dumb to believe what he states.

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

and in case you miss the irony of your "holocaust" point. there is nothing inherently "right" about bigotry, in fact, conservatives and libertarian types are primarily color blind when it comes to race and ethnicity, as opposed to leftists who see pretty everything through that particular prism---and um---its the left who were then and are today, the anti-Semitic crowd.

Nazism is a leftists wet dream.

I barely know where to begin here.

The term far-right is distinct from the radical right. The term "radical right" is strongly associated with conservatism and libertarianism while the term "far right" is used to describe groups more associated with racism and hate.

It is a pretty stupid and clumsy lie to assert that the Nazi's were "leftist", they banned socialist and communist groups.

It is also pretty stupid to assert that the "left" is the anti-semitic crowd.

And only a disgusting nasty little stain would assert that Nazism is a leftist's wet dream.

I acknowledge that, especially here, there is a natural tendency to pop people into containers labelled "leftist" or "rightist" and then to create fabulous and extreme characterizations of what a "leftist" or a "rightist" might feel or believe but it's not entirely useful.


"Leftist" could mean anything from someone who believes that socialized healthcare is a good thing, or it could mean that state ownership of everything is a good thing"

"Rightist" could mean anything from a passionate belief in small government and individual freedom, or it could mean that corporate ownership of everything is a good thing.

Perhaps these are nuances that you miss.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

Conservative, liberal or left-wing; there will not be a time when a platform is shared with the far right (in England).

The reason being that members of the far right are uniformly ill-educated and devoid of any claim to political acumen.

Wellington once described his army as the scum of the earth, and that's how we view the far right.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

No, Aylee, you don't get it: the Radical Right simply wants any excuse to stir up bigotry and hatred. It's not a question of them having 'standards': their 'standards' were clearly expressed in the Holocaust. What's needed is to recognize Rightism as a pathology, and outlaw it.

I barely know where to begin here:

a quote by hitler: "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

Hitler was named "Man of the Year" in 1938 by Time Magazine. They noted Hitler's anti-capitalistic economic policies:

some of the tenets of the National Socialist German Workers Party Platform:

"We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens.
"We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
"We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.
"We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.
"We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores,
"The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education
"The State must ensure that the nation's health standards…

in short: "To put the whole of this programme into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power for the Reich; the unconditional authority of the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of Corporations based on estate and occupation for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the Reich in the various German states."

hitler on gun control: "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms."

hitler and abortion: When the Nazis came to power in 1933 one of the first acts Hitler did was to legalize abortion. By 1935 Germany with 65 million people was the place where over 500,000 abortions were being performed each year.


fascism is a form of totalitarianism where private property doesn't really exist and the power is concentrated in corporations owned and operated by the state.

any of those things sound familiar??

and in case you miss the irony of your "holocaust" point. there is nothing inherently "right" about bigotry, in fact, conservatives and libertarian types are primarily color blind when it comes to race and ethnicity, as opposed to leftists who see pretty everything through that particular prism---and um---its the left who were then and are today, the anti-Semitic crowd.

Nazism is a leftists wet dream.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

lets take this chap shall we?
A Republican state lawmaker said Thursday that women who become pregnant from sexual assault should not be exempt from an anti-abortion measure, because childbirth resulting from rape is "beautiful."

"Obviously rape is awful," West Virginia Del. Brian Kurcaba (R) said during a committee hearing on a new abortion restriction, according to David Gutman, a Charleston Gazette reporter. "What is beautiful is the child that could come from this."

Kurcaba, a financial adviser, was elected to the House of Delegates in November.


He may be a financial advisor, but he is ignorant about women and rape
and he is a lawmaker....if he was educated to believe that women are more than incubators. He couldnt be as dumb to believe what he states.

A group that systematically threatens and rapes young girls for years is the moral equivalent of a man that thinks all babies have equal worth. Nice.