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MrRodgers -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/7/2015 1:50:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 and in case you miss the irony of your "holocaust" point. there is nothing inherently "right" about bigotry, in fact, conservatives and libertarian types are primarily color blind when it comes to race and ethnicity, as opposed to leftists who see pretty everything through that particular prism---and um---its the left who were then and are today, the anti-Semitic crowd. Nazism is a leftists wet dream. I barely know where to begin here. The term far-right is distinct from the radical right. The term "radical right" is strongly associated with conservatism and libertarianism while the term "far right" is used to describe groups more associated with racism and hate. It is a pretty stupid and clumsy lie to assert that the Nazi's were "leftist", they banned socialist and communist groups. It is also pretty stupid to assert that the "left" is the anti-semitic crowd. And only a disgusting nasty little stain would assert that Nazism is a leftist's wet dream. I acknowledge that, especially here, there is a natural tendency to pop people into containers labelled "leftist" or "rightist" and then to create fabulous and extreme characterizations of what a "leftist" or a "rightist" might feel or believe but it's not entirely useful. "Leftist" could mean anything from someone who believes that socialized healthcare is a good thing, or it could mean that state ownership of everything is a good thing" "Rightist" could mean anything from a passionate belief in small government and individual freedom, or it could mean that corporate ownership of everything is a good thing. Perhaps these are nuances that you miss. You are trying telling us with a straight face, that the Nationalist Socialists (the Nazis name for themselves) outlawed every group that called itself 'socialists' [8\|] You got a link for that? Maybe, but surely that the capitalist fascists that the Nazis became, were right wing thugs as all fascists are and evil, murderous imperialists.

PeonForHer -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/7/2015 1:57:59 PM)
quote: You are trying telling us with a straight face, that the Nationalist Socialists (the Nazis name for themselves) outlawed every group that called itself 'socialists' You're on a hiding to nothing zeroing in on the word 'socialists' in the context of 'national socialists', Sanity. 'Socialists' in that sense just refers to 'the people as a whole' rather than one particular class. It's meaningless beyond that. But, sigh, I think at some level you probably know this. You know that 'national socialism' is not some sub-department of 'socialism'. Which is why I don't generally bother to talk to you - because you are a tiresome troll.

slvemike4u -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/7/2015 2:18:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: You are trying telling us with a straight face, that the Nationalist Socialists (the Nazis name for themselves) outlawed every group that called itself 'socialists' You're on a hiding to nothing zeroing in on the word 'socialists' in the context of 'national socialists', Sanity. 'Socialists' in that sense just refers to 'the people as a whole' rather than one particular class. It's meaningless beyond that. But, sigh, I think at some level you probably know this. You know that 'national socialism' is not some sub-department of 'socialism'. Which is why I don't generally bother to talk to you - because you are a tiresome troll. One can get into an awful lot of trouble assuming sanity knows anything. Just sayin...

NorthernGent -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/7/2015 2:20:15 PM)
The 'socialist' part of Nazism simply meant that the individual must submit to the will of the state. The will of the state meant conquest, rearmament and racial ideology. Hardly hallmarks of Socialism Yes, it wasn't long before Trotsky was mimicking the French Revolution in a 'we must force the people to be free' fashion, at the end of a gun if need be, but the ideals of Socialism and Nazism were polar opposites.

slvemike4u -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/7/2015 2:25:32 PM)
Is it possible that's why they fought a bloody no quarter given war against each other ? Just asking.....[8\|] edited to add: This is an adult web site,right? Someone care to explain to me why there is a need to explain the differences between socialism,as practiced by the Soviet Union and Nazism,as practiced by ...well,Nazi'z Back to the adults thing,aren't we all supposed to be educated to one degree or another ?

NorthernGent -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/7/2015 2:48:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Just wondering NorthernGent why all the emphasis on education when it comes to rape and sexual assault? I find it against human nature to think education makes you less likely to rape or sexually assault someone... And... other than competition, which I think plays a greater role than racism, would the lack of education and economic stability make you more racists? Butch The rapists and the far right are two separate issues. The rapists will be dealt with in a court of law, hopefully they will get life. The far right, well I suppose we're talking our version of the Ku Klux Klan, except the KKK may have someone in their organisation with a brain cell; in all probability our far right will collectively struggle to spell the word 'cat'. In terms of education, yes, the evidence suggests that semi-illiterate peasants alone can see any value in the far right. What is it that attracts these people is open to debate, but my guess is they're simpletons who could not possibly display reason. Look, there is nothing totalitarian about calling an idiot an idiot. If the cap fits wear it.

NorthernGent -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/7/2015 3:00:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Is it possible that's why they fought a bloody no quarter given war against each other ? Just asking.....[8\|] According to the Nazis one of them had to go. For the German race to survive then they had to force the Slavs into servitude at the beck and call of the superior German race. Sounds idiotic, and it was idiotic, because they were idiots. It can't possibly be understated how stupid the Nazis were, and ridiculous; most of them were funny looking fellas talking utter shite about the master race. Any road, the Nazis were determined to fight on until the end because according to them the German people deserved to be confined to oblivion because the Russians had proven themselves to be the stronger race. That's how stupid they were.

kdsub -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/7/2015 4:13:14 PM)
quote: the evidence suggests that semi-illiterate peasants alone can see any value in the far right You do realize what you are saying? So hard working people that are economically challenged are peasants and in your opinion are far more likely to be radical in their politics and lean towards rape and sex trafficking? ... I sure would like to see proof of that. It is that same as saying that because there is more crime in African American neighborhoods blacks, with less education, are peasants and more likely to rape and sex traffic... is this true to you? Butch

NorthernGent -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/7/2015 4:45:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: the evidence suggests that semi-illiterate peasants alone can see any value in the far right You do realize what you are saying? So hard working people that are economically challenged are peasants and in your opinion are far more likely to be radical in their politics and lean towards rape and sex trafficking? Butch I know exactly what I'm saying, but clearly you don't. The far right are drawn almost exclusively from a part of the population with few qualifications and skills. There's a reason for that. Who said anything about them being 'far more likely to rape? I think your eyes are playing tricks on you.

Politesub53 -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/7/2015 5:03:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Police in swoop on 45 more men over child sex grooming: 'Milestone' operation sees dozens of Asian suspects charged with rape, sexual assault and trafficking quote: In a separate case, 25 men from Halifax, West Yorkshire, were charged with a number of historic and child-related sex offences. Almost all of the men in both cases are from Asian backgrounds, prompting police leading one of the cases to warn that far-Right groups may use the issue to stir up racial tension. Because "racial tension" is just as bad as rape, sexual assault, and trafficking? What is so wrong with people getting upset over this? Sounds like its about time for the far-right, the right, the center, the liberals and anyone else that has some basic standards to get upset. Aylee, you should really know better after the Rotherham thread. Currently and rather sadly, there is a plethora of historic child sex abuse investigations going on. If you take Rotherham , the leaders of the Rotherham youth group informed the council of what was taking place. The council then closed the youth group. Only yesterday a Rotherham Police officer who was under investigation for not taking claims seriously, seems to have walked under a car. In the spirit of equality, why do you only point out Muslim abuse. Milestone has already uncovered a similar group in the North East, involved in criminality and prostitution, yet you didnt give them a mention. Both stories were in the same Daily Mail article. Why not complain about operation yewtree, or similar cases involving white people. many of them rich and famous, ranging from pop starts, tv stars, clergy, Judiciary, Politicians, armed forces and many other walks of life. The whole thing, and the coverups that seem to have followed are a shameful disgrace on the UK. EVERYONE involved needs good people to speak up and not just name Muslims. The rest of the scum shouldnt get a free pass. Dont even start me off about child prostitution (Washington scandal anyone ?) in America, or rape case numbers, because you really dont wish to go there.

Politesub53 -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/7/2015 5:06:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: the evidence suggests that semi-illiterate peasants alone can see any value in the far right You do realize what you are saying? So hard working people that are economically challenged are peasants and in your opinion are far more likely to be radical in their politics and lean towards rape and sex trafficking? Butch I know exactly what I'm saying, but clearly you don't. The far right are drawn almost exclusively from a part of the population with few qualifications and skills. There's a reason for that. Who said anything about them being 'far more likely to rape? I think your eyes are playing tricks on you. NG..... This is a very dodgy claim to make. If you have a serious case study to back you up, I would love to see it.

Lucylastic -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/7/2015 5:14:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic lets take this chap shall we? A Republican state lawmaker said Thursday that women who become pregnant from sexual assault should not be exempt from an anti-abortion measure, because childbirth resulting from rape is "beautiful." "Obviously rape is awful," West Virginia Del. Brian Kurcaba (R) said during a committee hearing on a new abortion restriction, according to David Gutman, a Charleston Gazette reporter. "What is beautiful is the child that could come from this." Kurcaba, a financial adviser, was elected to the House of Delegates in November. He may be a financial advisor, but he is ignorant about women and rape and he is a lawmaker....if he was educated to believe that women are more than incubators. He couldnt be as dumb to believe what he states. A group that systematically threatens and rapes young girls for years is the moral equivalent of a man that thinks all babies have equal worth. Nice. I notice that you totally ignored the question I asked you, and leapt into an answer to this question quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Just wondering NorthernGent why all the emphasis on education when it comes to rape and sexual assault? I find it against human nature to think education makes you less likely to rape or sexually assault someone... And... other than competition, which I think plays a greater role than racism, would the lack of education and economic stability make you more racists? Butch your bullshit shines again. oh by the way, the abuses within other religions dont count why???? The kids that die in care, the kids that DONT get caught by the system,poverty, starving kids who fall thru the cracks, let alone the sex trafficking that goes on, who are you blaming that on??? individuals? why? Where is your rant against it happening here, in the west. Your pathetic assertion on my posts meaning is typical and treated with the contempt it deserves.

Politesub53 -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/7/2015 5:17:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 and in case you miss the irony of your "holocaust" point. there is nothing inherently "right" about bigotry, in fact, conservatives and libertarian types are primarily color blind when it comes to race and ethnicity, as opposed to leftists who see pretty everything through that particular prism---and um---its the left who were then and are today, the anti-Semitic crowd. Nazism is a leftists wet dream. I barely know where to begin here. The term far-right is distinct from the radical right. The term "radical right" is strongly associated with conservatism and libertarianism while the term "far right" is used to describe groups more associated with racism and hate. It is a pretty stupid and clumsy lie to assert that the Nazi's were "leftist", they banned socialist and communist groups. It is also pretty stupid to assert that the "left" is the anti-semitic crowd. And only a disgusting nasty little stain would assert that Nazism is a leftist's wet dream. I acknowledge that, especially here, there is a natural tendency to pop people into containers labelled "leftist" or "rightist" and then to create fabulous and extreme characterizations of what a "leftist" or a "rightist" might feel or believe but it's not entirely useful. "Leftist" could mean anything from someone who believes that socialized healthcare is a good thing, or it could mean that state ownership of everything is a good thing" "Rightist" could mean anything from a passionate belief in small government and individual freedom, or it could mean that corporate ownership of everything is a good thing. Perhaps these are nuances that you miss. You are trying telling us with a straight face, that the Nationalist Socialists (the Nazis name for themselves) outlawed every group that called itself 'socialists' [8\|] You got a link for that? Well I am not sure what bearing the straightness of my face has on the actual fucking facts of history. They banned all other parties you halfwit. Get a grown up to google “Gleichschaltung,” As for the presence of the word "socialist" in the Nazi party's name you're (as fucking usual) a confused little troll. The Nazi party's definition of "Socialism" was not the same as Marx's. But I know that will fly waaaaaaay over your pea sized brain. So your assertion that the Nazis "banned socialist and communist groups" morphs into "they banned all other parties" Have you any other changes to your version of history to declare? The Nazis banned the National Socialist Party of Germany in 1933. The same year that the Nazis banned the communists.

NorthernGent -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/7/2015 5:27:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 I'm sure there must be a few of your countrymen who still pine for the days when the Sun never set on the British Empire? Broadly speaking, it's not something that occupies our thoughts. There is not a great deal about the British Empire on the television, which tells a story about demand. I'd hazard a guess that there us far more on the television about the Roman Empire, the Vikings and the Anglo-Saxons. There will be some aristocrats stuffed in a cupboard somewhere who lament the decline of English influence, but they're not representative of the general population. While we are generally proud of our heritage, which is more to do with values than race, it's more a quiet Patriotism; and as a people we always tended to have moderate ambitions anyway. The values we hold mean that when we turn up in other people's countries, the motive is either commerce or advancing liberal ideas; as opposed to notions of saving European civilisation.

Kirata -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/7/2015 5:31:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Totalitarianism is a right wing phenomenon. Always has been...always will be. I think we're talking about here on Earth. K.

Sanity -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/7/2015 5:40:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 The Nazis banned the National Socialist Party of Germany in 1933. The same year that the Nazis banned the communists. No, they did not ban themselves One day you will graduate and you will no longer have to come to me for your schooling quote: National Socialism, German Nationalsozialismus, also called Nazism or Naziism, totalitarian movement led by Adolf Hitler as head of the Nazi Party in Germany.

Politesub53 -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/7/2015 5:48:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 The Nazis banned the National Socialist Party of Germany in 1933. The same year that the Nazis banned the communists. No, they did not ban themselves One day you will graduate and you will no longer have to come to me for your schooling quote: National Socialism, German Nationalsozialismus, also called Nazism or Naziism, totalitarian movement led by Adolf Hitler as head of the Nazi Party in Germany. I meant to type the following. The Social Democratic Party of Germany

BamaD -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/7/2015 5:50:22 PM)
Oh and it was a rightists dream. Totalitarianism is a right wing phenomenon. Always has been...always will be. Come on Mr Rodgers which are you claiming A You have never heard of Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot, to name a few. or that B They were right wingers? Either way you look stupid.

slvemike4u -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/7/2015 6:02:10 PM)
You do know that Totalitarianism and Communism are two different things,don't you ? In case you didn't ,here's a link :http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-communism-and-totalitarianism/ It lays it out in simple language,so you should be good.Interestingly ,when you get confused,this same site will explain differences between all the ideologies and ism's you can think of.Think of it as your own little resource center(hint,use it before posting....lol)

MercTech -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/7/2015 6:24:54 PM)
Going back to the origin of this thread. I'm not getting the connection between "Those awful far-right groups" (title of thread) and a report of Pakistanis being caught running a child prostitution ring in Britain? Forced sex is rape. Involuntary imprisonment without due process is slavery. For some crimes life in prison just doesn't seem enough. I guess I don't grok right wingnuts and left clueless too well.

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