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kdsub -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/8/2015 9:00:40 AM)
quote: The far right are drawn almost exclusively from a part of the population with few qualifications and skills. There's a reason for that. Oh I would love to hear your reasons...but i guess we all know what they would be... conservative people are stupid criminals that love to deal in sex slavery unlike us... the enlightened well educated and well trained. Yep poor people are just dumb asses that is why they are poor... don't we all know that? Butch

thishereboi -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/8/2015 9:58:22 AM)
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Aylee -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/8/2015 10:14:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: The far right are drawn almost exclusively from a part of the population with few qualifications and skills. There's a reason for that. Oh I would love to hear your reasons...but i guess we all know what they would be... conservative people are stupid criminals that love to deal in sex slavery unlike us... the enlightened well educated and well trained. Yep poor people are just dumb asses that is why they are poor... don't we all know that? Butch No. What is being said and warned about is that conservative people are stupid criminals that are WORSE than those who deal in sex slavery and rape rings.

Lucylastic -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/8/2015 10:24:10 AM)
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NorthernGent -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/8/2015 10:51:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: The far right are drawn almost exclusively from a part of the population with few qualifications and skills. There's a reason for that. Oh I would love to hear your reasons...but i guess we all know what they would be... conservative people are stupid criminals that love to deal in sex slavery unlike us... the enlightened well educated and well trained. Yep poor people are just dumb asses that is why they are poor... don't we all know that? Butch No. What is being said and warned about is that conservative people are stupid criminals that are WORSE than those who deal in sex slavery and rape rings. Either you can't read, can't comprehend or are willfully manipulating posts. For the benefit of doubt and for the last time: The far right in England is our equivalent of the KKK. I'm assuming you're not much of a fan of the KKK, but perhaps I am mistaken.

Aylee -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/8/2015 10:59:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: The far right are drawn almost exclusively from a part of the population with few qualifications and skills. There's a reason for that. Oh I would love to hear your reasons...but i guess we all know what they would be... conservative people are stupid criminals that love to deal in sex slavery unlike us... the enlightened well educated and well trained. Yep poor people are just dumb asses that is why they are poor... don't we all know that? Butch No. What is being said and warned about is that conservative people are stupid criminals that are WORSE than those who deal in sex slavery and rape rings. Either you can't read, can't comprehend or are willfully manipulating posts. For the benefit of doubt and for the last time: The far right in England is our equivalent of the KKK. I'm assuming you're not much of a fan of the KKK, but perhaps I am mistaken. The KKK is considered by most to be a joke. Essentially the big threat to rape and sex slavery rings is that people you cannot take seriously and are ineffective are going to continue being people you cannot take seriously and are ineffective? If the UK is anything like the US or Europe, Jews will continue to be the favored target of hate crimes, not Muslims. So yeah. . . I could not care less if the abusers (who are out on bail WTF?) get their feelings hurt.

NorthernGent -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/8/2015 11:00:56 AM)
I think the fact that these people are entirely marginalised, tells us that their ideas are slapped down. Perhaps the left in England doesn't necessarily correspond to the left in the United States. The left here put equality at the heart of everything, which means racism isn't part of the mantra.

kdsub -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/8/2015 11:11:24 AM)
I can read just fine... you are not explaining yourself properly I would guess... Just take your comments and turn them around yet use liberal or African American and see the response you will get. You are coming off hypocritical and prejudiced. Butch

NorthernGent -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/8/2015 11:28:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: The far right are drawn almost exclusively from a part of the population with few qualifications and skills. There's a reason for that. Oh I would love to hear your reasons...but i guess we all know what they would be... conservative people are stupid criminals that love to deal in sex slavery unlike us... the enlightened well educated and well trained. Yep poor people are just dumb asses that is why they are poor... don't we all know that? Butch No. What is being said and warned about is that conservative people are stupid criminals that are WORSE than those who deal in sex slavery and rape rings. Either you can't read, can't comprehend or are willfully manipulating posts. For the benefit of doubt and for the last time: The far right in England is our equivalent of the KKK. I'm assuming you're not much of a fan of the KKK, but perhaps I am mistaken. The KKK is considered by most to be a joke. If the UK is anything like the US or Europe, Jews will continue to be the favored target of hate crimes, not Muslims. So yeah. . . I could not care less if the abusers (who are out on bail WTF?) get their feelings hurt. Given the KKK are viewed as a joke in the United States, then why are you on a crusade to save the conservative name when we call our far right a joke? Mischief or boredom? In terms of England's Jewish population. No, I think we have had comparatively few problems. While continental Europe indulged in pogroms and worse, we gave homes to people who were being persecuted abroad. During the recent series of holocaust programmes, there were many Jewish people from continental European backgrounds who were awfully grateful for our charity when others were trying to kill them. There is no problem with the Jewish religion and they are no more or less open to criticism than Muslims or anyone else. We're not perfect when it comes to tolerance, but history has proven that we're better than most.

Politesub53 -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/8/2015 11:40:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: The far right are drawn almost exclusively from a part of the population with few qualifications and skills. There's a reason for that. Oh I would love to hear your reasons...but i guess we all know what they would be... conservative people are stupid criminals that love to deal in sex slavery unlike us... the enlightened well educated and well trained. Yep poor people are just dumb asses that is why they are poor... don't we all know that? Butch No. What is being said and warned about is that conservative people are stupid criminals that are WORSE than those who deal in sex slavery and rape rings. Aylee, show me someone who has posted that on here. I certainly havent.

MercTech -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/8/2015 12:10:52 PM)
Ok, guys, if you talk of the Ku Klux Klan, in comparison to the far right you should specify which iteration of the KKK you mean. A> The vigilantes organized to combat excesses of the occupied south and disbanded once the voting and self determination was restored. B> The political movement that used fear of the "Yellow Peril" and immigrants destroying our American way of life back in the 1920s and 1930s. Heck that was a political movement centered in the Midwest and claimed that 1/3 of the country belonged at one time. It fell apart after the national leader was convicted of abducting and raping a secretary. (Yes, in its heyday, the KKK had more members in Ohio and Indiana than they ever had in the deep south.) C> The violent anti-civil rights organization of the 1950s and 1060s. (Don't get me started about Cecil Price and Philadelphia MS) D> The minority organization of David Duke that still tries to sell racial purity as a political issue. <not taken very seriously any more> So, which iteration of the KKK are we talking about that is like the right wing in the UK? Or, is it the John Birch Society that tried to make out everything wrong in the country was due to communist agents? (Substitute Islamic terrorists for communist agents and you could recycle all the old Bircher literature) I still like my Grandfather's take on the KKK back in the early 60s, "A bunch of ignorant rednecks with more anger than sense." And that was the attitude in Neshoba County until they murdered three political activists from Chicago and buried them in a levee. After that; being known as a KKK member caused businesses to be boycotted and people being ostracized to the point of being asked not to attend church services. And those crazy FBI agents... the phrase "mad dogs and Englishmen" comes to mind as they tried to be incognito but they were the only people in a hundred miles wearing black coats and black ties in 100F+ heat.

Politesub53 -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/8/2015 12:12:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent Clearly I haven't waltzed round the country examining CVs for skills and qualifications. But, the BNP were historically from areas of high deprivation in the North West and West Yorkshire, towns such as Burnley, Rochdale, Halifax; and also from deprived areas of London. It is mo coincidence that back in the day they targeted the football terraces, hoping to cash in on frustrated, young white males who were either unemployed or in unskilled work. The EDL have a large gathering of failed football hooligans in their ranks. I've seen these people close up at a march in Manchester and what a sorry sight. Again, similar people to the BNP, and a large part of the attraction is that because fighting at football has been contained this is a new vehicle for scrapping for them. And these idiots are costing the tax payer a fortune in policing. The far right are drawn from all walks of life. This also applies to the lads from "Football Firms" across the UK. I knew many who were professionals in all sorts of jobs and others who were highly skilled workers in Engineering etc. If you look at the right wing in the UK it has always had large numbers of right wing Tories within its ranks. Several EDL, BNP and NF members have or had good jobs and high levels of education. Alan Ayling of the EDL is a top financier. AK Cheststeron was a member of the far right. Andrew Brons of the BNP lectured in Law. Colin Jordan, who was involved with the founding of the BNP, went to Cambridge University. He was also inloved in a right wing movement led by Lord Tavistock. Sure, the working class lads were used as footsoldiers but the brains behind the far right is a whole different thing.

NorthernGent -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/8/2015 12:37:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech I still like my Grandfather's take on the KKK back in the early 60s, "A bunch of ignorant rednecks with more anger than sense." This KKK.

NorthernGent -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/8/2015 12:48:55 PM)
You'll always be able to find the odd anecdote relating to some journalist being drawn to fascist politics, or some business owner being a football hooligan. But these are the exceptions to the rule. They are overwhelmingly unemployed or in unskilled occupations. John Williams at Liverpool University, among others, has been documenting the lives of football hooligans for years.

crazyml -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/8/2015 12:51:16 PM)
As has been very patiently explained already, a couple of fucking times. The term "far right" is used to refer to groups that have more in common with neo-nazism than conservatism. And can you point out a single fucking post that has asserted that conservatives love to deal in sex slavery? The op is fucking confused (surprise surprise) and either misunderstood the post or as a deliberate troll. Now, the initial misunderstanding is forgiveable, some terms have different meanings in different places. But ya know.... what with all of the explaining, continued misunderstanding is either down to utter fucking stupidity or pitiful trolling.

crazyml -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/8/2015 1:14:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Essentially the big threat to rape and sex slavery rings is that people you cannot take seriously and are ineffective are going to continue being people you cannot take seriously and are ineffective? If the UK is anything like the US or Europe, Jews will continue to be the favored target of hate crimes, not Muslims. So yeah. . . I could not care less if the abusers (who are out on bail WTF?) get their feelings hurt. Fuck me you are confused beyond belief. 1) Nothing in the article, and NOTHING anyone has said here, has claimed that the far right is involved in these crimes. Nothing, nada, zilch. 2) The article points out that a police officer was concerned that Far-right groups would use the fact that the perps were predominantly muslim to spread racial hate 3) You don't know much about hate crimes in Europe... immigrants, muslims and jews are all targets of hate crimes.

slvemike4u -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/8/2015 1:19:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: The far right are drawn almost exclusively from a part of the population with few qualifications and skills. There's a reason for that. Oh I would love to hear your reasons...but i guess we all know what they would be... conservative people are stupid criminals that love to deal in sex slavery unlike us... the enlightened well educated and well trained. Yep poor people are just dumb asses that is why they are poor... don't we all know that? Butch No. What is being said and warned about is that conservative people are stupid criminals that are WORSE than those who deal in sex slavery and rape rings. Either you can't read, can't comprehend or are willfully manipulating posts. For the benefit of doubt and for the last time: The far right in England is our equivalent of the KKK. I'm assuming you're not much of a fan of the KKK, but perhaps I am mistaken. My contention,and it's been thus for a good long while,is that there is an acute reading comprehension issue at play there. Just one man's opinion.

NorthernGent -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/8/2015 2:20:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: The far right are drawn almost exclusively from a part of the population with few qualifications and skills. There's a reason for that. Oh I would love to hear your reasons...but i guess we all know what they would be... conservative people are stupid criminals that love to deal in sex slavery unlike us... the enlightened well educated and well trained. Yep poor people are just dumb asses that is why they are poor... don't we all know that? Butch No. What is being said and warned about is that conservative people are stupid criminals that are WORSE than those who deal in sex slavery and rape rings. Either you can't read, can't comprehend or are willfully manipulating posts. For the benefit of doubt and for the last time: The far right in England is our equivalent of the KKK. I'm assuming you're not much of a fan of the KKK, but perhaps I am mistaken. Nowt to spill Hank, lads with too much to drink winding each other up, you could see what was coming a Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/trouble-on-the-bus-yesterday.1033003/page-4#ixzz3RBvdIvr6 My contention,and it's been thus for a good long while,is that there is an acute reading comprehension issue at play there. Just one man's opinion. This thread would certainly support that view.

MercTech -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/8/2015 3:40:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech I still like my Grandfather's take on the KKK back in the early 60s, "A bunch of ignorant rednecks with more anger than sense." This KKK. Gotcha, Rather like the people that think the federal government should legislate what medical care you can obtain. And the ones that want creation science taught in school. And sometimes have representatives to vote to make Pi equal to 3. And it is no longer politically correct to call them idiots when they blither. Especially when their public tantrums make the news cameras.

Politesub53 -> RE: Those awful far-right groups (2/8/2015 4:10:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent You'll always be able to find the odd anecdote relating to some journalist being drawn to fascist politics, or some business owner being a football hooligan. But these are the exceptions to the rule. They are overwhelmingly unemployed or in unskilled occupations. John Williams at Liverpool University, among others, has been documenting the lives of football hooligans for years. Wrong again on two counts, the names I gave are factual and not ancedotes. It is easier to check the facts but lazier to rubbish them. It still remains that much of the far right are not just unskilled unemployed louts, we ignore them at our peril.

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