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Gauge -> RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money (2/9/2015 1:33:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP So you advocate not talking about anything important to you in your life. I presume that you're fine with her not telling you anything about her? If you keep your life a secret, expect her to do the same. Which means no trust and no possibility of a loving relationship. I have to think this was a joke post, Gauge. I'm only hoping the op, who seems awfully naive for a man of his age, doesn't take it as real advice. It was a tad tongue in cheek, yes. My point being is that if you lead with your wallet and bank balance then you will, more often than not, get those folks who do not have a genuine interest in who you are. My one high school friend's wife was sitting around with a few of our gang while my friend was deployed overseas. Her sister was there and they were talking about what they looked for in a husband. Both of them said "income potential" to the horror of my gang of high school friends who were just appalled at how fucking shallow they were. Of course, in my brazen way, I asked if love mattered at all. Of course they backtracked because I believe they realized they said what they said in front of us, but you cannot unring that bell. I suppose that I am a bit jaded, but it is for good reasons. I'm poor... if someone wants to love me, they better love me for me and not for what I can buy them. A roof, food and paid bills is a damn good day in my world and what I offer. Anything above that is icing on that dry cake.

TNDommeK -> RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money (2/9/2015 3:42:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moderator3 The prior posts talking about spies and killing were humor. Please do not send mod3 questions on why they are not deleted, members banned or anything about money! Really, I had to, you wouldn't believe my mail box. I'm peddling as fast as I can, the other way! Good night. Those are the people that should be outed for stupidity.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money (2/10/2015 7:24:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KevinCaDom I work hard and I make good money. I love what money buys for me. When I buy something nice I feel appreciated and I deserve it. I meet so many women that want me, and men, to buy them nice things. And I'm talking about women I don't know very well. For example, I saw a woman twice, strictly platonic, and she said she wants a boob job and was hoping to find a man to pay for it. I paid cash for my car and I love it. If someone paid it for me, I just wouldn't feel good about it. The car wouldn't have as much value to it then. I don't understand why some women want men to pay for all their things. Isn't what they get devalued and not appreciated? I was corresponding with a woman on this site and she wanted to meet me for lunch, but she would like $100. She isn't a Dominatrix. Don't women realize how difficult it is for people these days? Don't they care? I actually charge 50 bucks for lunch. (Unfortunately, male subs can only reach so high).

SeekingTrinity -> RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money (2/10/2015 8:19:26 PM)
~FRing it~ OP, your profile says you want an ongoing relationship where you donate each time to the tune of $400-500 per month, taking her places and paying for things, etc... And yet you are asking why you are attracting women only interested in money and paying for things? [8\|]

Kittenluv954 -> RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money (2/11/2015 5:17:19 AM)
wow, thats cheap. $500 wouldnt even pay half my rent, much less anything else. if i was a suger baby, i would want a sugar daddy with a full bowl of sugar.

crumpets -> RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money (2/11/2015 9:26:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kittenluv954 if i was a suger baby, i would want a sugar daddy with a full bowl of sugar. If she gets that $500 from ten guys at the same time, would that begin to count as filling the bowl?

NorthernGent -> RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money (2/11/2015 12:24:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko How the mighty have fallen. That we have these older guys looking for the Bush recession babies 10 years MY JUNIOR yet saying "I don't get why they expect me to flip the bill?" Some of the 'mighty' remain generous, but what they might not appreciate is the expectation of gifts. Romance isn't romance when the motivation is to appease someone's appetite for gifts.

GoddessManko -> RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money (2/11/2015 1:00:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent Some of the 'mighty' remain generous, but what they might not appreciate is the expectation of gifts. Romance isn't romance when the motivation is to appease someone's appetite for gifts. Listen, I don't care about this wisdom you think you're imparting on me, no offense. I dislike accepting anything from people period. Precisely because of men like OP. To be frank, I rather gnaw off my own arms than to hear someone droll on about their pathetic generosity to me especially after being raised in my father's brick house. I do not care how others do the gift giving either but I think a token or trinket being expected by a lady? Why not? Someone taking issue in that should stay home in his filthy underwear watching reruns rather than trying to court a lady.

wickkeddesire -> RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money (2/11/2015 1:07:35 PM)
There are not women they are mere brain parasites who feast on errant/deranged cognitive matter of the stupid – it has more fat and therefore tastier to these people. They are not representative of all women, but they number many on here proportion wise – and so few can verify themselves – tis cos half of them are men. However that is akin to asking what proportion of this site is actually single – a lot less than 50% so they offer as much nonsense as those trepanning tap a straw in and feast on watery brain matter. Unlike thee I judge all the above the same and that is where I differ from most. Why do you care about this lot other than they snaffle your time you should banish this lot by mail 1-3; they are easy spotted. You are equally to blame as it would appear you engage them longer and wetted their appetite for coinage of the realm. Charges you 50 muffins you may pay in gold too for my words

PeonForHer -> RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money (2/11/2015 1:21:23 PM)
quote: Some of the 'mighty' remain generous, but what they might not appreciate is the expectation of gifts. Romance isn't romance when the motivation is to appease someone's appetite for gifts. I'm beginning to suspect that there might be a teensy difference from one side of the pond to the other in that regard. Just a hunch, mind you.

NorthernGent -> RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money (2/11/2015 1:46:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent Some of the 'mighty' remain generous, but what they might not appreciate is the expectation of gifts. Romance isn't romance when the motivation is to appease someone's appetite for gifts. Listen, I don't care about this wisdom you think you're imparting on me, no offense. I dislike accepting anything from people period. Precisely because of men like OP. To be frank, I rather gnaw off my own arms than to hear someone droll on about their pathetic generosity to me especially after being raised in my father's brick house. I do not care how others do the gift giving either but I think a token or trinket being expected by a lady? Why not? Someone taking issue in that should stay home in his filthy underwear watching reruns rather than trying to court a lady. Why not? Entitlement. It's not pretty. There's another piece of wisdom for you. Can you explain why your lady should expect 'a token'?

GoddessManko -> RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money (2/11/2015 2:34:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent Some of the 'mighty' remain generous, but what they might not appreciate is the expectation of gifts. Romance isn't romance when the motivation is to appease someone's appetite for gifts. Listen, I don't care about this wisdom you think you're imparting on me, no offense. I dislike accepting anything from people period. Precisely because of men like OP. To be frank, I rather gnaw off my own arms than to hear someone droll on about their pathetic generosity to me especially after being raised in my father's brick house. I do not care how others do the gift giving either but I think a token or trinket being expected by a lady? Why not? Someone taking issue in that should stay home in his filthy underwear watching reruns rather than trying to court a lady. Why not? Entitlement. It's not pretty. There's another piece of wisdom for you. Can you explain why your lady should expect 'a token'? You're addressing as if I am actually wanting jack shit from someone. Can you not read? I dislike accepting anything from people period. Precisely because of men like OP. To be frank, I rather gnaw off my own arms than to hear someone droll on about their pathetic generosity to me especially after being raised in my father's brick house. Get it? Some of you people are extremely confused and the "mighty" you speak of,please. Been there, done that, unimpressed. I love watching how they squabble and fight and sue each other over millions though. That in itself is entertainment while I watch from the sidelines. I don't have those issues. [:D]

littleladybug -> RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money (2/11/2015 2:37:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: needlesandpins Why would you expect a guy to pick up the tab on a date? we want equal rights, equal pay, and to be taken seriously, but then you expect the best of both worlds by expecting him to pick up the bill for a date? it's nice if he wants to, and indeed offers, but it should never be expected. needles If a man asks me out on a date, I expect him to pay. Period. I am always in a position to pay for myself, if needed. But, if that should happen, it's off to "friend zone" with him, at best. I don't see how that is in contradiction with "wanting to be taken seriously". Yup, for sure, I want equal pay for equal work. Equal rights? Damned straight. But, I fail to see where wanting "equal rights" equates to me wanting to pay my own way when someone else is doing the asking. To me, it's about the gesture. Certainly, the 50, 100 bucks, whatever, is not going to make or break either of us. But, if he asks, it's his deal. And, if he thinks I can be "bought" with a dinner, he's got another thing coming. And, in relation to the OP, nope, the dinner that he pays for tastes no different than the one I paid for.

NorthernGent -> RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money (2/11/2015 3:07:18 PM)
I think you said something like: why shouldn't a lady expect a token and anyone thinking otherwise should stay at home in their underwear. The logic behind this is anyone's guess, which is why you were asked to explain yourself. I do not require emboldened words, nor does underlining them add anything to what you're trying to say; nor does gnawing at your arms (twice) remotely change anything. Reason will suffice.

GoddessManko -> RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money (2/11/2015 3:14:24 PM)
I was born in a home where I had everything. I am entitled, by iinheritance. There would be complete asinine insensitivity for me to by default 1; not try to achieve my own measure of success and independence despite that. 2- Criticize someone else who was raised with less and requires far less to be impressed and satisfied. However let's take this a step further. This is basic biology. In the entire animal kingdom, the men woo their female counterparts (unless homosexual but that's another ball of wax). The men fight for the female (whoever wins mates her). Typically they have the more colorful plummage and fur. The men are born this way because it was genetically predetermined that they would need this in order to attract a female mate. There will always be the pursuer and pursuee. If you opt to be the former rather than the latter, why not put best foot forward? The OP asked "How do I know she's into me and not my money?" I'll tell you how. Don't be one of those guys taking pics with exotic cars. Don't use money as the prerequisite for the relationship and criticize her thereafter (WHICH HE DID). And also, if you go on seekingarrangement and millionairematch, you realize $500 is typically what the women on there get for one date, sex or not. How do you know she's into you? Because she could be ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD. That should be apparent and mean something in my book.

NorthernGent -> RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money (2/11/2015 3:47:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko I was born in a home where I had everything. I am entitled by inheritance. This is basic biology. In the entire animal kingdom, the men woo their female counterparts (unless homosexual but that's another ball of wax). The men fight for the female (whoever wins mates her). Typically they have the more colorful plummage and fur. The men are born this way because it was genetically predetermined that they would need this in order to attract a female mate. There will always be the pursuer and pursuee. If you opt to be the former rather than the latter, why not put best foot forward? We're coming at this from completely different perspectives then. I'm from a working class background and consequently there was no such thing as something for nothing. And, my experience tells me women are more than capable of fighting their own corner. There may be biological differences, I'm probably not going to give birth in this life, but in the context of this discussion those differences are insignificant. Women don't need men's charity to prosper. In the event it's merely an act of kindness, then it takes two to tango. It's the expectation that I have a problem with. In terms of the OP's question, yes, I'd agree; advertising yourself as a wealthy man wouldn't help to avoid those women looking for money.

GoddessManko -> RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money (2/11/2015 3:55:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent We're coming at this from completely different perspectives then. I'm from a working class background and consequently there was no such thing as something for nothing. And, my experience tells me women are more than capable of fighting their own corner. There may be biological differences, I'm probably not going to give birth in this life, but in the context of this discussion those differences are insignificant. Women don't need men's charity to prosper. In the event it's merely an act of kindness, then it takes two to tango. It's the expectation that I have a problem with. In terms of the OP's question, yes, I'd agree; advertising yourself as a wealthy man wouldn't help to avoid those women looking for money. We are talking romantic mementos here (aye caramba) but alright, I understand your perspective. Both of my parents came from nothing and both became independently wealthy. Both were the oldest of 7 children and helped raised their siblings. I inherited their stubbornness and with that I'm a little rough around the edges. I know as a woman living in this world, the most important thing to us is security. Everywhere you go, there are vultures and wolves licking their chops to "one up" you and you BETTER be either smarter, faster or stronger than them. I have been able to maneuver most situations but venturing into the world alone has taught me just how vulnerable many women are. You as a man are trying to show this woman who gets cat called, harassed, etc that you are a GENTLEMAN worthy of her favor. That takes some effort. It is not about being a crutch. It's about showing you are dependable. There is a verifiable difference in my opinion.

DesFIP -> RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money (2/12/2015 9:30:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gauge My one high school friend's wife was sitting around with a few of our gang while my friend was deployed overseas. Her sister was there and they were talking about what they looked for in a husband. Both of them said "income potential" to the horror of my gang of high school friends who were just appalled at how fucking shallow they were. Of course, in my brazen way, I asked if love mattered at all. Of course they backtracked because I believe they realized they said what they said in front of us, but you cannot unring that bell. I suppose that I am a bit jaded, but it is for good reasons. I'm poor... if someone wants to love me, they better love me for me and not for what I can buy them. A roof, food and paid bills is a damn good day in my world and what I offer. Anything above that is icing on that dry cake. It's a pity you didn't ask them to elaborate. I can practically promise it's because most of their single mother friends receive no child support and it's really tough raising a child without help. Too many young males I know don't think they owe their offspring that roof over the head and a hot meal. They work under the table so the state can't garnish their wages.

CreativeDominant -> RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money (2/12/2015 10:00:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littleladybug quote: ORIGINAL: needlesandpins Why would you expect a guy to pick up the tab on a date? we want equal rights, equal pay, and to be taken seriously, but then you expect the best of both worlds by expecting him to pick up the bill for a date? it's nice if he wants to, and indeed offers, but it should never be expected. needles If a man asks me out on a date, I expect him to pay. Period. I am always in a position to pay for myself, if needed. But, if that should happen, it's off to "friend zone" with him, at best. I don't see how that is in contradiction with "wanting to be taken seriously". Yup, for sure, I want equal pay for equal work. Equal rights? Damned straight. But, I fail to see where wanting "equal rights" equates to me wanting to pay my own way when someone else is doing the asking. To me, it's about the gesture. Certainly, the 50, 100 bucks, whatever, is not going to make or break either of us. But, if he asks, it's his deal. And, if he thinks I can be "bought" with a dinner, he's got another thing coming. And, in relation to the OP, nope, the dinner that he pays for tastes no different than the one I paid for. Maybe its the weather... I was raised during a time when guys ALWAYS did the asking...and picked the girl up (after filling the tank)...and paid the tab. It was expected of the man to do this if he was a gentleman. I always did it this way...up to my marriage, thru my marriage and since my divorce. I'll most likely continue doing so. But... In today's culture, where there's a shifting towards "equality", what does that mean when it comes to dating? Do women ask men out more often? If they do, do they pick the man up? Pay for the evening? If not, why not? Is the woman insulted if he comes at them with...or gives a vibe of... " it was your choice to ask me out...of course, you should pay." And "you bought dinner...not me"? If so, why?

littleladybug -> RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money (2/12/2015 10:12:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant In today's culture, where there's a shifting towards "equality", what does that mean when it comes to dating? Do women ask men out more often? If they do, do they pick the man up? Pay for the evening? If not, why not? Is the woman insulted if he comes at them with...or gives a vibe of... " it was your choice to ask me out...of course, you should pay." And "you bought dinner...not me"? If so, why? The likelihood of me asking a man out is slim to none. Which isn't to say that I wouldn't or couldn't, I just don't see a scenario in my own life where it would happen. So, hypothetically speaking, I would say that if I did the asking, I'd be doing the paying.

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