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RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money - 2/12/2015 10:37:06 AM   
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I've asked men out, made first contact and offered to pick up the check for the coffee... Now, no I have never picked up someone for a date or meeting I have always meet them there. Then again, not a single guy made it past a first date with me either..

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RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money - 2/12/2015 11:15:07 AM   
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In today's culture, where there's a shifting towards "equality", what does that mean when it comes to dating?

Do women ask men out more often? If they do, do they pick the man up? Pay for the evening? If not, why not? Is the woman insulted if he comes at them with...or gives a vibe of... " it was your choice to ask me out...of course, you should pay." And "you bought dinner...not me"? If so, why?



If I ask, I pay. I rarely ask. I don't have to, I have more offers than I could possibly agree to, and I'm sort of a workaholic, so I cut back even further on the possibility.

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RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money - 2/12/2015 11:47:57 AM   
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Maybe its the weather...

I was raised during a time when guys ALWAYS did the asking...and picked the girl up (after filling the tank)...and paid the tab. It was expected of the man to do this if he was a gentleman. I always did it this way...up to my marriage, thru my marriage and since my divorce. I'll most likely continue doing so. But...

In today's culture, where there's a shifting towards "equality", what does that mean when it comes to dating?

Do women ask men out more often? If they do, do they pick the man up? Pay for the evening? If not, why not? Is the woman insulted if he comes at them with...or gives a vibe of... " it was your choice to ask me out...of course, you should pay." And "you bought dinner...not me"? If so, why?



I have always been a big supporter of equal rights, myself. I believe, in the very pit of my soul, in things being equal.

Therefore:

I almost never ask a lady out on a first date. Allow me to clarify: If I am speaking with a young lady, and I wish the conversation to continue, I will say something like "Do you want to grab a cup of coffee so we can keep talking?" (I just did it, today) I pay. If things go well, I tell her that I had a great time and I'd like to spend some more time with her. That's where I leave it. The choice, I feel, should always be hers to make.

Now, I'm not saying she has to call me and ask me to go out to a $70 steak dinner but she has to make some effort; show some sign that she does, indeed, want to spend more time with me (I've had too many reply: "I'd like that" only to find out she was lying through her ... err ... she was "being polite"). I have no time for bullshit games and coy communication.

Like CD (I still think one of us might have been adopted out?), I don't think I have ever let a lady pay for a night out unless it was in a very entwined relationship and she really wanted to go somewhere and I just didn't have the where-with-all (Ex: She wanted to go see Van Headache and I just didn't have the $500 for tickets. I wasn't about to be the one to prevent her from having a good time).

The truth is: my dance card is almost always about as full as I want it to be. I haven't been "looking" in years. If I were, my approach wouldn't change. I think it is incumbent upon ladies to show as much interest in spending time with me as I show, when it comes to spending time with them.

As far as her, expecting me to bring her little gifts? On a first date? Get over yourself. I don't know if I even want to invest the 20 minutes for coffee I don't even know if the 20 minutes, spent drinking coffee is going to be time well or poorly spent. I'm supposed to go out of my way before I know anything about you? Hell to the nah!



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RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money - 2/12/2015 12:01:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

In today's culture, where there's a shifting towards "equality", what does that mean when it comes to dating?

Do women ask men out more often? If they do, do they pick the man up? Pay for the evening? If not, why not? Is the woman insulted if he comes at them with...or gives a vibe of... " it was your choice to ask me out...of course, you should pay." And "you bought dinner...not me"? If so, why?



If I ask, I pay. I rarely ask. I don't have to, I have more offers than I could possibly agree to, and I'm sort of a workaholic, so I cut back even further on the possibility.


Whoever's idea the date is, pays. Or we split it.

I got insanely offended when my aunt (older, early 60's) told me that I could live off what she makes a year because I have a boyfriend to pay my bills. I make more than he does, and we split it all down the middle. Heck, I've paid rent if he doesn't have it, and vice versa.

I've asked men out. I've picked men up. But usually the first date I suggest we split so no one ends up butthurt at the end if it doesn't work out.

ETA- That is to say- if some guy comes at me expecting me to pay his way- I'd be irritated- as irritated as a chick doing the same to men. But it really doesn't happen often in my experience, most people are good to split it.

I have had a harder time with older men who think that they deserve a blowjob because they chose the venue, chose to pay (even after I've offered) and chose to buy the most expensive wine on the menu

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RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money - 2/12/2015 12:14:26 PM   
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God, I wouldn't even recognise 'a Chanel purse and bling'. I wouldn't have the first idea, either, if a woman's bought her dress at Harrod's or at a charity shop.


Just to confuse you even more, I buy my Harrod's dresses in charity shops ;)


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RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money - 2/12/2015 12:34:30 PM   
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Just to confuse you even more, I buy my Harrod's dresses in charity shops ;)



No! :-(

Long story as to why - but I think I could recognise a quality dress. Some of the time, anyway.

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RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money - 2/12/2015 12:48:30 PM   
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It's a pity you didn't ask them to elaborate. I can practically promise it's because most of their single mother friends receive no child support and it's really tough raising a child without help.

Too many young males I know don't think they owe their offspring that roof over the head and a hot meal. They work under the table so the state can't garnish their wages.


That is a completely different issue.

There is more to this story that I am not going to put out there on the Interwebz. Suffice it to say that the comment was completely in character for both of them.

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RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money - 2/12/2015 1:20:41 PM   
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It's just suddenly hit me: it makes some women here feel very awkward to say that they expect gifts or tokens, doesn't it?

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RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money - 2/12/2015 2:36:57 PM   
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How do you tell if she/he is authentically interested in you? He/she could just be selling themselves.


It helps when you have interests that don't involve money, in other words being a fairly simple person.

More to the point, wouldn't you discuss these interests up front?

I have no problem being in a relationship with someone who doesn't share my reading interests, I would call them intellectual pursuits but I'm hardly leading the world into the coming enlightenment; but without a love of nature, the countryside, the coast - the simple things in life - then we aren't going to be compatible.

Travel is something that has to happen in my life, but by the time any sort of travel is arranged I've worked out whether or not she is worth the money and time invested - you can't fake being a simple person.

It has to be said, though, that I have rarely met women with an unhealthy obsession with money.





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RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money - 2/13/2015 9:19:09 PM   
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As a fin/pro, I dont even expect gifts on a first date. Theres something about that (for me) that isnt positive. Have I been given gifts on a first date, of course, and I see nothing wrong with that. But for me to say "on a first date you will bring me gifts"..yea, no.
Now as far as paying, he pays, period. everytime.


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RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money - 2/14/2015 7:40:29 AM   
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The only thing I have to add to this is that people who are stingy tend to be like that in all aspects of their life, not just financial but emotional. Generous people are generous with affection also. And that matters to me.

So sometimes I buy meals and sometimes he does, but we don't keep a running tab in our head of who had the more expensive meal. People who do that eventually expect repayment either men with sex or women with gifts. We don't do that. Although I am hoping for chocolates for Valentine's Day. Simply because I like chocolate.

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RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money - 2/14/2015 8:50:27 AM   
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The only thing I have to add to this is that people who are stingy tend to be like that in all aspects of their life, not just financial but emotional. Generous people are generous with affection also. And that matters to me.

So sometimes I buy meals and sometimes he does, but we don't keep a running tab in our head of who had the more expensive meal. People who do that eventually expect repayment either men with sex or women with gifts. We don't do that. Although I am hoping for chocolates for Valentine's Day. Simply because I like chocolate.


I think two things are being confused here, probably more than two things: generosity, sincerity and expectation.

I know people who have contracts put together when they are serious with a lady in order to safeguard their assets. Never in a million years would I do that because it would make life far too mechanical for my liking. She could be picking cockles on a beach without a metaphorical pot to piss on.

The point for me is that life is not about money. But, that works both ways, whether you have it or you want it.

In all honesty, money is wasted on me, as all I do is buy books, walk, swim, have the odd pint. If it weren't for the fact I love going abroad it would just just build up beyond any sense.

I grew up on a council estate, which is the equivalent of your trailer park, and believe me I would manage just as well without money.

It is not the money. The money is nothing in the grand scheme of life. It's the values of the person on the receiving end.

Do I want to spend time around someone with a love of money and gifts? You must be joking. What does it say about that person and his/her attitude to life? That without gifts there can't be a relationship? Christ, I would rather die a slow painful death than pander to that sort of thing. Animals show one another more love than this.

I would put myself down as someone with a very big heart, and that really matters to me because when push comes to shove all you really have is your soul, and the material things in life have no real value beyond instant gratification.

But, it's not charitable to expect gifts; it's greed.

And, I would argue the opposite to you, the type of people who don't readily go down the giving a gift to show their affections path, are the type of people more emotionally mature and likely to show sincere affection


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RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money - 2/14/2015 3:53:48 PM   
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Do I want to spend time around someone with a love of money and gifts? You must be joking. What does it say about that person and his/her attitude to life? That without gifts there can't be a relationship?


I love money and gifts. I make my own money, and being in a relationship with me means that you will give me gifts. It's one of my love languages. I have on the bedside table (not in my home, traveling for a few months) three gifts. One is a little tiny thing, probably cost $3.One is a piece of glass art, a candle holder. The other is flowers brought for me for no reason at all.

I LOVE having these with me. I can look to my left and be reminded that he cares to find things that will make me smile. Or, when in my home, there are small reminders of friends and loved ones in every room, by things they have bought me through the years.

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But, it's not charitable to expect gifts; it's greed.


Do you say the same about men who expect blowjobs in a relationship? Or anal? Or women who expect a dominant man to take charge? Or women who expect submission for that matter?

What is particularly uncharitable about expecting relationship needs or even preferences to be met? I don't see it.



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RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money - 2/14/2015 5:17:03 PM   
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I meet so many women that want me, and men, to buy them nice things. And I'm talking about women I don't know very well. For example, I saw a woman twice, strictly platonic, and she said she wants a boob job and was hoping to find a man to pay for it.

I don't understand why some women want men to pay for all their things.


I get men offering me money all the time. If Bob, Bill and Tom are each offering me $100 to have lunch with them and Ken has an attitude that he should offer anything, who do you think I'm going out to lunch with? "Hot" women have more opportunity. If you want to go out with a "hot" woman you are going to have to pay what she is asking for. It's not about greed. It's what I'm accustomed to.

If a woman is accustomed to being with gentlemen she won't go out with someone who isn't a gentleman.

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RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money - 2/14/2015 6:09:00 PM   
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I meet so many women that want me, and men, to buy them nice things. And I'm talking about women I don't know very well. For example, I saw a woman twice, strictly platonic, and she said she wants a boob job and was hoping to find a man to pay for it.

I don't understand why some women want men to pay for all their things.


I get men offering me money all the time. If Bob, Bill and Tom are each offering me $100 to have lunch with them and Ken has an attitude that he should offer anything, who do you think I'm going out to lunch with? "Hot" women have more opportunity. If you want to go out with a "hot" woman you are going to have to pay what she is asking for. It's not about greed. It's what I'm accustomed to.

If a woman is accustomed to being with gentlemen she won't go out with someone who isn't a gentleman.


So...money equates to "gentleman" for you?

Hmmmmm...I think I just discovered why strip clubs are called gentlemen's clubs. And why escort services always direct their advertising to "gentlemen" who can afford the "best".

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RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money - 2/14/2015 6:14:25 PM   
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So...money equates to "gentleman" for you?

Hmmmmm...I think I just discovered why strip clubs are called gentlemen's clubs. And why escort services always direct their advertising to "gentlemen" who can afford the "best".


No, money does not equate gentleman. There are plenty of people who have money who aren't gentlemen. I was saying that if a woman is accustomed to begin with gentlemen, she doesn't want to be with someone who is not a gentleman.

If a woman is accustomed to being with men who spend money on her, then she doesn't want to be with men who are cheap.

It really sounds like the OP is bitching that he doesn't want to spend money being with a "hot" woman. Hot women have a lot more opportunity then other women. Hot women can be ultra picky.

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RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money - 2/14/2015 6:38:41 PM   
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What she is saying is true.


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RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money - 2/15/2015 1:58:32 AM   
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Well, to be fair, I don't consider myself hot, but I am ultra picky.

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RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money - 2/15/2015 2:07:26 AM   
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Some of the 'mighty' remain generous, but what they might not appreciate is the expectation of gifts.

Romance isn't romance when the motivation is to appease someone's appetite for gifts.

I find that enjoying receiving gifts is quite a thing with dominant women. I do not know if you are a dominant or a submissive male, can't be bothered to click on your profile to find out, but I think the whole idea is, you will offer gifts to Deities, if you were in a religion that worships deities, so if you were worshiping your domme as your goddess, then you definitely should shower her with gifts. It all makes perfect sense.

I am a submissive woman, and I am not into gifts, I don't need it. But what I want to feel from a dom or any vanilla male, is that his protective and caring about me, and he really takes care of my welfare. This means, taking care of all my basic needs, even IF I can afford to take care of myself, but it's important to me, that his controlling to the extent that, he wants the pride of taking care of his woman, and not having his woman having to be independent and take care of herself by herself. I like men who doesn't allow a woman to pay for anything with her own money when she's with him. It's very protective and macho and overbearing, but it's what I like in men. I like the traditional roles. And I'm a woman who personally feel chasing career conflicts with welfare for children, so if I had a husband who expects me to work after pregnancy, that will not work for me. At the same time, my brothers and men I usually am with, would be appalled if their woman wants to chase career and juggle having kids at the same time. That's the type of men I like. A man who can allow me to be a full time mom. And not expect me to be independent. My x-dom for example tells me he really benefited from having a stay at home full time mom and he wants the same for his children in the future. We had the same ideas. I grew up with a fiercely independent mother who is obsess with her career, pops babies out and within 48 hours of discharge, you'd never see her again, she's rich enough to employ maids to take care of her babies, and I didn't benefit from it. And she makes more than my dad.

So if a man is into going dutch with me, his definitely never gonna stand a chance with me as a romantic partner and will be friend zoned for life, although I will still be his friend and happily pick up my own tab whenever I hang out with him.

I was just thinking about my boss who complains her husband refuses to even buy her real flowers for valentine's day, because he feels it's a waste of money. She makes 10 times his income. And he always nags at her about how she spends her money when she practically makes 90% of their money. Like WTF, kudos to her to tolerate that crap. I told her idiot husband that if his so tight about buying real flowers, I can direct him to the wild where he can pick free of charge real flowers, just get the woman some flowers!

Actually in my country, many woman with high income usually marry low income men, reason for this is, I guess fellow high income men are usually too egotistic and not supportive about their careers. We even had a case when in divorce, the woman paid her husband alimony for being house husband. And women with high income loves showering their men with expensive gifts. So they do walk the talk about the importance of gifts.

I always tell any man who complains about women expecting gifts or for the man to foot the bill to go for career focus wealthier women instead, because then, they will experience the receiving gift end.


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RE: I Don't Understand About Women & Money - 2/15/2015 2:47:05 AM   
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Do you say the same about men who expect blowjobs in a relationship? Or anal? Or women who expect a dominant man to take charge? Or women who expect submission for that matter?

What is particularly uncharitable about expecting relationship needs or even preferences to be met? I don't see it.



There is nothing uncharitable about expecting needs to be met per se.

But, it is extremely distasteful to place such emphasis on the material things in life when considering the qualities of a relationship.


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