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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/13/2015 4:52:00 PM   
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Tell you what freedom...you show me a state where it days that a car owner must show a valid physical examination each year to keep their license to drive.

I have to have an eye test every year to keep my license.
My car also has to be tested every single year or it's illegal and I get prosecuted.
I am also obligated by law to notify the authorities of any condition that may give rise to my license being forfeit.


Your car has to be tested for what? Here in the U.S., it varies from state to state but most states require an emissions test, depending where you're at. That's it. I'd be okay with taking any gun I use more than 200 days a year in to have the state test it and see that it fires safely.

Here in the U.S., you are also required to report these conditions. However, you are not required...as you suggested...to undergo any physical exam each year to keep your license.


We had to get an emissions test for a while here in MI. It was a fucking joke. And if your car was over a certain age, it was exempt. Didn't make a lot of sense considering they were the cars most likely to be spewing shit in the first place. Eventually they dumped the idea, now as long as you have insurance, you are good to go. They do check your eyesight if you have to go in to renew your license but it doesn't happen often. I haven't had to go in in over 10 years now.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/13/2015 5:01:03 PM   
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I don't know,with cars I'm guessing: car accidents ?
with cell phones: i'm thinking you reach the wrong number
With guns: people die,as has been shown to happen far to often.



What else you got,cause this candy assed shit isn't worthy of being on an adult,unimpaired(mentally speaking) forum.

people die with cars, more than with guns.
Your argument (erroneous) that guns are designed to kill and cars aren't so we should worry more about guns is seriously flawed.
If something not designed to kill does so more often than something that is you most assuredly need to do something about something that ignores it's purpose and goes out and kills anyway.

I have just found out that there were 113 ladder related deaths last year, which is pretty bad. However 99.99999% of the time a ladder was used, nobody died.

The latest stats I could find said that over people drive over 2.5 trillion miles a year in the US. Now I have no idea how many individual journeys that is but I would guess that 99.something% of those journeys ended without someone dying.

Maybe that's because neither ladders, or cars are designed to kill, unlike, say, guns.

The car/gun comparison is completely pointless and stupid.

The the ladder thing is pointless.
However, despite there intent cars insist on going out and killing more people than guns so they clearly need retraining.

No the ladder thing isn't pointless, it's an example of how people can die using pretty much anything, people die putting their trousers on ffs. The point is twofold, firstly trousers,ladders and cars aren't designed to kill, and nearly every time they are used, they don't.
There are billions of car journeys every year, yet you keep insisting that they are as dangerous as guns.

How many people would die if guns were used billions of times a year?

Stop using the comparison, it's stupid and pointless

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/13/2015 5:03:59 PM   
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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/13/2015 5:13:17 PM   
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trousers,ladders and cars aren't designed to kill, and nearly every time they are used, they don't.

Your first point doesn't need the "designed to kill" exaggeration to pass, but I think the second fails. Almost every time the average firearm is used the target is either paper or a member of the fruit family.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/13/2015 5:24:26 PM   
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bed time for me Bama, please answer the question about how you nearly always defend cops when they kill people yet have recently said they are incompetent.

I explained it twice, it was sarcasm, with three explanations I hope you are only pretending not to understand.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/13/2015 5:38:43 PM   
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I do,you don't get the concept that you are only a PART of a society....and that the other PARTS of that society have rights too.
The first and foremost right is the one to LIFE....which is exceedingly infringed upon by gun owners/holders who indiscriminately rob others of that first and foremost righ.


By the way anyone else notice that the idiot in Missoula (sp?) got himself a seventy year prison sentence...of course the German exchange student is still dead.
This was another "responsible" "law abiding" citizen at work,wasn't it ?


Still waiting for that example of my true goal of confiscation or whatever you imagine my thought to be
How long must I wait ?

You also only speak for a portion of society, a shortsighted portion at that.
Even if I only speak for a portion of society it is one that wants to protect RIGHTS, not turn them into PRIVILEGES.
Right to life, that is the point to the right of self defense, and you want to take that away.
And since you are trying to skip to another subject no he wasn't responsible, but you can't ignore the fact that if the German hadn't been in someone else's garage he wouldn't be dead either, but I suppose going through other peoples garage in the middle of the night is responsible.

My portion is growing skippy....and as someone pointed out earlier if you folks keep obstructing the change that is coming the end result just might wind up more draconian than it needs to be.
Here is the thing,as things stand people are going to keep dying from the indiscriminate use of firearms...and in appalling numbers (care to argue that certainty with me )sooner or later a tipping point is reached.
At that point good men, of strong conscious and principal,will be forced to act .
The tide is against your viewpoint ,hell you might as well be advocating for segregation or not allowing woman to vote...society moves on pal,and nothing you do will stop it.


As soon as you're finished with your rabid psychotic rantings, see post #54, "How many gun threads do you all need" thread in regard to the bolded part.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/13/2015 5:41:53 PM   
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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/13/2015 5:42:56 PM   
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Forget Guns-----Ban the pools

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/13/2015 5:44:21 PM   
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I do,you don't get the concept that you are only a PART of a society....and that the other PARTS of that society have rights too.
The first and foremost right is the one to LIFE....which is exceedingly infringed upon by gun owners/holders who indiscriminately rob others of that first and foremost righ.


By the way anyone else notice that the idiot in Missoula (sp?) got himself a seventy year prison sentence...of course the German exchange student is still dead.
This was another "responsible" "law abiding" citizen at work,wasn't it ?


Still waiting for that example of my true goal of confiscation or whatever you imagine my thought to be
How long must I wait ?

You also only speak for a portion of society, a shortsighted portion at that.
Even if I only speak for a portion of society it is one that wants to protect RIGHTS, not turn them into PRIVILEGES.
Right to life, that is the point to the right of self defense, and you want to take that away.
And since you are trying to skip to another subject no he wasn't responsible, but you can't ignore the fact that if the German hadn't been in someone else's garage he wouldn't be dead either, but I suppose going through other peoples garage in the middle of the night is responsible.

My portion is growing skippy....and as someone pointed out earlier if you folks keep obstructing the change that is coming the end result just might wind up more draconian than it needs to be.
Here is the thing,as things stand people are going to keep dying from the indiscriminate use of firearms...and in appalling numbers (care to argue that certainty with me )sooner or later a tipping point is reached.
At that point good men, of strong conscious and principal,will be forced to act .
The tide is against your viewpoint ,hell you might as well be advocating for segregation or not allowing woman to vote...society moves on pal,and nothing you do will stop it.


As soon as you're finished with your rabid psychotic rantings, see post #54, "How many gun threads do you all need" thread in regard to the bolded part.

There you go injecting facts.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/13/2015 6:37:17 PM   
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You also only speak for a portion of society...

My portion is growing skippy....

Is it too much to ask that you confine your remarks to Earth?

http://www.people-press.org/2014/12/10/growing-public-support-for-gun-rights/

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/13/2015 6:45:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		You doubt there will be more Newtowns,more Auroras ,more Virginia Techs ,Tuscon,Binghampton ,Fort Hood,Oikos University and Columbine's.
What are you basing that opinion on ?
How do you feel pubic opinion will tilt as more bodies drop ?
Where is the tipping point ?
There's always a tipping point

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/13/2015 7:18:52 PM   
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You doubt there will be more Newtowns,more Auroras ,more Virginia Techs ,Tuscon,Binghampton ,Fort Hood,Oikos University and Columbine's.
What are you basing that opinion on ?

Where did you read that opinion?

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How do you feel pubic opinion will tilt as more bodies drop ?
Where is the tipping point ?
There's always a tipping point

I'm surprised we haven't reached one right here. How do you feel about defending your made up boast with the claim that it will become true... sometime in the future.

Not even a blink?

K.


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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/13/2015 7:34:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		ive not read this entire thread but im thinking none of the conservative folks are thinking there's not going to be another Virginia tech or aurora or fort hood, etc...I certainly don't think that way.

but I also know that in at least the instances im familiar with above, the perpetrators selected their sites knowing their fellow citizens wouldn't be armed and I don't know how you keep guns out of the hands of bad guys without doing likewise for the good guys, which is just pretty much unacceptable because the bad guys are going to get them anyways. maybe all that's already been talked about.

i understand what youre saying about public opinion tilting...but I also just read a gallup estimate that 47% of American households have a gun. pew puts it at 43% and its been that way for 40 yrs. that's a large amount of inertia to overcome...






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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/13/2015 7:59:27 PM   
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You doubt there will be more Newtowns,more Auroras ,more Virginia Techs ,Tuscon,Binghampton ,Fort Hood,Oikos University and Columbine's.
What are you basing that opinion on ?
How do you feel pubic opinion will tilt as more bodies drop ?
Where is the tipping point ?
There's always a tipping point


I don't doubt it. I don't doubt that any number of things too numerous to list are going to cause even more tragedies. Yet after every time one of these shootings occur, gun sales skyrocket, gun owners become even more entrenched and support for gun rights go up. Weird, isn't it ?

Now go on with your incoherent babble.



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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/13/2015 8:31:01 PM   
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Society's evolve(hopefully) rather than devolve

Moving toward a society in which the controllers answer to concerned citizens such as yourself only will be a society of haves...the government and the criminals...and have-nots...the rest of us. Do you somehow think that's safer? In what deluded kum-bay-ya fantasyland?

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 1:19:51 AM   
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Must be nice to have such faith in government, what was wrong was in two cases the government lied, and just got the registration so they would be able to collect them.
In the other the mayor, who didn't care enough about his citizens to use school buses to evacuate them used looting as an excuse to grab guns of the people most likely to be victims.

But I repeat... if the people were legally allowed to have those guns - they would still have them wouldn't they?

Much as I hate our government and every politician lies (it's part of the territory), it would seem that at least ours don't deliberately obfuscate and act illegally to confiscate guns legally owned.

All I can say is, there must be more to those stories than was reported.
As you keep reminding everyone, the 2nd allows Americans the right to own and bear arms.
If they were legally owned, they'd still have them or there would have been a class action lawsuit filed PDQ.


No, there was no legal justification for taking them.
And my dear know nothing friend, they are in court, problem is there are too many cases against Nagel , the moron mayor of NO and the real cause of things getting screwed up in Katrina.
All you are saying is they took them because they had a good reason and they had a good reason because they took them.

So 'splain it to me WHY they took them... apparently illegally?
Surely they had the right to defend their property, even if that meant SYG and shooting those trying to take their guns??

Nope. something doesn't add up here.
Either they were corrupt officials - in which case they should be sacked and jailed.
Or, there were more reasons to removing the guns that hasn't been reported.


Right, Syg against four or five cops when you let them in because you thought they were there to help you.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 5:37:46 AM   
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Society's evolve(hopefully) rather than devolve

Moving toward a society in which the controllers answer to concerned citizens such as yourself only will be a society of haves...the government and the criminals...and have-nots...the rest of us. Do you somehow think that's safer? In what deluded kum-bay-ya fantasyland?

Well, it's a long name, but in our tongue, it's called "All the civilized nations of the west"

America has become a funny place, to be sure. On the one hand, there's an almost 3-year-old's insistence on "NO! I'll do it mySELF!" - and sure, independence, self-sufficiency, personal sovereignty and in my home, business, community -- these things matter, are qualities I value highly, and represent among the best qualities of the American self-image.

But on the other hand, it's exactly that--an image, rarely a reality, as rather than getting creative and tackling problems with that can-co attitude, Americans spend their time making excuses and blaming political parties, government, other nations, various religions, the economic times -- truth is, there's nothing can-do or independent among the bulk of Americans today, and that's absolutely true of those yelling the loudest about the trouble with America and Americans. Like 2-year-olds stamping their feet and throwing a tantrum. Nothing independent about it--it's all merely reaction, with no proactive independence whatsoever. Victims. Simply clueless victims.

At the end of the day, ask "Whom did I blame today? What excuses did I make?" Wasted time, all of it.

Then ask "What did I create or resolve today?" That's actual independence.

Because the great forgotten American value is the ability to pull together and accomplish great deeds.

You could do worse than joining hands and singing Kum-ba-ya.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 5:46:22 AM   
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Society's evolve(hopefully) rather than devolve

Moving toward a society in which the controllers answer to concerned citizens such as yourself only will be a society of haves...the government and the criminals...and have-nots...the rest of us. Do you somehow think that's safer? In what deluded kum-bay-ya fantasyland?


Australia had a really bad massacre in 1996, which was the deadliest that country has ever experienced. Port Author Before that, year on year for ten or twelve years, they had massacres with guns involved. But in 1996, the government (which has a constitution) said "the guns are gone". Yeah, there were protests and such. But in the years since, there has not been a single massacre. That 'record' has not been broken (fortunately).

Yes, the history and cultures of both nations are different. The guns and the human behavior is not.

You want an example of "...deluded kum-bay-ya fantasyland..."? Its those that ignore the science and evidence that their beliefs and myths have been routinely proven false.

Lets just say the guns were ban in America. How much would an AK or AR-15 go for on the black market? Same cost as they are now? twice? Three times? Ten times? Its funny, since you dont know. But what we do know from black market pricing is, its NEVER close to the actual market value. That obtaining it is...much...harder than obtaining a F-35 Raptor for personal/private use. The only people that would be trusted with such arms, are the ones that will not bring heat back upon the dealer. Even the grand majority of criminals will not have firearms. And this has been shown in many countries. None of them have devolved into dictatorships or tyrannies.

An firearms for removing tyrants? Yeah, I notice the Republican governors of LA, WI, and KS are driving their states into financial and total ruin. Those people are the tyrants if there ever was an example. Put in power no less, by the people with the "....deluded kum-bay-ya fantasyland...." views on rights. If we were to quiz them on explaining the Bill of Rights, how many would have a passing grade of 65% correct?

Lets do a test with you: Explain the five parts of the 1st amendment.....(without looking it up).

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 5:52:43 AM   
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Perhaps you can spend your amusing and emotional hours reviewing the 7 safeties of the 1911.

for your review (again):

grip safety
sear disconnect
slide stop
half cock position
manual safety
pushback safety
slide single action empty chamber


While some of the things you listed are design features that enhance the safety of a 1911, they are not in the traditional sense what would typically be refered to as *a safety* or user operated safety. While we may be bickering over semantics I'm still going with 2 - 3 safeties depending on the series.

And as long as you're bringing up shit from another thread, that *crude* barrel rifling as you refer to it on the Kentucky Long Rifle, it was state of the art for more than 100 years. The "tight fitting ball and patch" as you put it wouldn't have fit tight without the rifling. The combination of the long barrel and its rifling gave this rifle its long range and accuracy.

Also there were more than the 1,400 Kentucky Rifle toting backwoodsmen who fought in the revolution. Those were just the guys under Washingtons command. I don't know the exact numbers but there were Kentucky Rifles in the regiments in the north and the south not under Washintons direct command and the other partisans and irregulars operating separately in the north and south who include Ethan Allan and The Green Mountain Men. Even more notable are the North Carolina Partisans who cut the loyalists to shreds at Kings Mountian causing Cornwallis to abandon his plan to invade that colony. The 1,400 also does not include the minute men and other militia units picking off British troops and harassing their supply lines.

I'm not going to go as far as to say the Kentucky Rifle was instrumental in wining the war but it was certainly instrumental in 2 key battles and tilted the scales toward the Patriots favor overall.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 6:00:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just saw this topic and have not read anybody else responses so this is responding to OP's first post.

Anyway, it was a big deal around here, our news widely publicised it.

And although I am anti-islam, and want to see Islam to become a world wide banned religion, but I don't approve of killing of any islamic people who did not commit any crimes.

I think the war is against the religion and not against it's people. It's their religion mind fucking innocent people.

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