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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 11:38:09 AM   
Lucylastic


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Ignoring the race bait i do wonder if there will be answers to some of the questions mentioned in the articles.. for example..

Gov. Phil Bryant said superintendents are tossing out a high number because they want to delay third-grade gate. If the real figure is 28 percent, he asked, "Why is it that high?"
He defended third-grade gate as reform that needs to be embraced as something that will help Mississippi, just as it's begun to help Florida.
"This is not just holding children back just to hold a child back," he said. "This is intervention on an individual basis so that a child will be able to read at the (third) grade level when they get promoted to the fourth grade."



The problem isnt Bryant in this instant, altho the program in Florida had 1 billion dollars put into it, mississippi only 25 million, big difference(and yes I get the difference in populations) and the problem with wanting more funding is the cost of having 11000 additional kids who wont be moving onto another grade.
I dont know if the testing or the programme works, but on simple logistics, kids move thru schools yearly, if large numbers get held back, they have to be taught. Along with the new batch. more cost, more time, more need supplies etc.
Altho I do think its worthy of a topic on its own maybe...

Alday is the topic....Alday is the ignorant twat not Bryant.
Making sure kids can read by third grade seems to be a reasonable idea, but the reality is that amount of extra students in one year is enormously expensive
Its Alday doesnt want to fun it.


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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 11:45:36 AM   
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I may need to ask for a new rule. Please don't make your thread title what some of these idiots are saying out there. Could this be more inflammatory? I hate seeing that on the scroll.

I just read this M3, I tried to edit, but its too late, if you wanna go ahead and change it....please do.
But for myself, I think people should be upset with what was said by an elected official.

But I totally understand if you want to change it.
i wont do it again...with a disclaimer that it actually was the headline I used, I didnt do it with malice aforethought.



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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 11:46:13 AM   
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Alday doesn't want to fund it...not fun it....lol

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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 11:47:05 AM   
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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 11:52:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Moderator3

I may need to ask for a new rule. Please don't make your thread title what some of these idiots are saying out there. Could this be more inflammatory? I hate seeing that on the scroll.

I just read this M3, I tried to edit, but its too late, if you wanna go ahead and change it....please do.
But for myself, I think people should be upset with what was said by an elected official.

But I totally understand if you want to change it.
i wont do it again...with a disclaimer that it actually was the headline I used, I didnt do it with malice aforethought.




I agree. I just cringe when I see stuff like that. lol

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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 11:53:13 AM   
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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 12:33:28 PM   
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Ignoring the race bait i do wonder if there will be answers to some of the questions mentioned in the articles.. for example..

Gov. Phil Bryant said superintendents are tossing out a high number because they want to delay third-grade gate. If the real figure is 28 percent, he asked, "Why is it that high?"
He defended third-grade gate as reform that needs to be embraced as something that will help Mississippi, just as it's begun to help Florida.
"This is not just holding children back just to hold a child back," he said. "This is intervention on an individual basis so that a child will be able to read at the (third) grade level when they get promoted to the fourth grade."



The problem isnt Bryant in this instant, altho the program in Florida had 1 billion dollars put into it, mississippi only 25 million, big difference(and yes I get the difference in populations) and the problem with wanting more funding is the cost of having 11000 additional kids who wont be moving onto another grade.
I dont know if the testing or the programme works, but on simple logistics, kids move thru schools yearly, if large numbers get held back, they have to be taught. Along with the new batch. more cost, more time, more need supplies etc.
Altho I do think its worthy of a topic on its own maybe...

Alday is the topic....Alday is the ignorant twat not Bryant.
Making sure kids can read by third grade seems to be a reasonable idea, but the reality is that amount of extra students in one year is enormously expensive
Its Alday doesnt want to fun it.




He doesnt want to add funds where he believes it shouldnt be needed. I understand that. If teachers were teaching at the necessary standard kids in droves wouldnt be held back.

So why are so many kids not able to read?

His opinion again ignoring the race bait is that parents arent doing their jobs in teaching the kids... or that the people deciding on teachers arent knowledgable about educators themselves.

even with 25 million it should be feasable that kids can read. It costs rougly 7 grand a student at a private catholic school around me. Enough to educate over 3500 kids with 25 mil.

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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 12:37:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		But his "opinion"is deeply colored by his racism....I don't see how you separate the two.they are indivisibly linked.

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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 12:48:18 PM   
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But his "opinion"is deeply colored by his racism....I don't see how you separate the two.they are indivisibly linked.



Simple. I ignore the racism and see through the sensationalist spin thr writer of the article put on his words and sussed out the actual issue.

He doesnt want to fund a system he finds deeply flawed. He finds it deeply flawed because of x.

If you look at the system it is infact deeply flawed. Wither because solely on x hasnt been completely figured out. His opinion is x my opinion is y neither opinion has at this time been proven the reason.

Regardless of his opinion and belief that x is the sole problem you cant really argue that there isnt something wrong with 1100 students not being able to read.

its easy to fall for race bait. Its why the article was set up the way it was and was completely about his racisim not his problem with 1100 kids not being able to read. It gets you focused solely on racism not that theres a huge fucking problem. This is a common media tactic that ive been taught to ignore when finding information.

If you read the second article.. its less sensationalist and has more information...

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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 12:56:21 PM   
slvemike4u


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Status: offline 		But the very prism he looks thru is tinted by racism...so your ability to separate the one from the other is,in my mind,highly suspect.

1100 kids not be able to read is catastrophic ,but probably has little to do with where their parents money is coming from.....and certainly isn't a reason to cut funding.

Why anyone is surprised I have no idea,the guy who picks up the trash is making more money than the folks teaching your children.

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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 2:54:55 PM   
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if you read the clarion-ledger article, there's actually very little about the legislator in question but when you do read it, parts of it (the very part we are talking about) don't seem to jibe well with the rest of the article. as I was reading it I thought, okay, this sounds like a couple of quotes from a larger context where perhaps they might be less inflammatory as opposed to how they are received when they are quoted in isolation. in short, they just don't seem to fit---its hard to figure why they are there.

the rawstory headline: "Mississippi lawmaker opposes more school funding because ‘blacks’ get ‘welfare crazy checks’" is inflammatory itself and misrepresents, or at best oversimplifies the case and if you read the rawstory piece, the author does not connect those dots. in that regard then, the title is irresponsible.

if you read what alday himself is saying, you don't get the sense at all that the reporter said, "so, why are you against increased funding here?" and he plainly answered right away, "well because blacks get welfare crazy checks duh." so is it possible that alday actually opposes additional funding on grounds other than "gee we already give these gosh darned black folks too much!"

he's further gone on to say he is not a racist, likes everyone, has helped people of all races in his home town, has supported and marched for civil rights, and he has since apologized for his comments.


I don't like what he said, but I can also see it not solely as comments with racial overtones, but also as expressions of frustration with a nanny system that entraps people into lives of poverty and violence. if there is some truth to that, then the color of the skin of the people inhabiting those positions, is more or less interchangeable, and maybe a smidgen less important to the conversation.

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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 3:13:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		How about we toss the political bullshit out for a moment.

The report if correct, states third grades will be repeating that grade due to horrible reading skills. Am I the only one on this forum that find that both shocking and sad? Yes, I'm in Massachusetts, why should I give a damn about my fellow citizens in other states? That is a concept that is just to tough for some of you to fathom.

Mississippi ranks #50 of 50 states in education. The Commonwealth of Massachusetts usually ranks in the top three slots, depending on the various reports and studies. How does Massachusetts do so well compared to Mississippi? Many things:

A ) The educators are both skilled and paid well to perform and operator. You pay people a competitive wage, and you will see results. People that put more effort into figuring out how each child learns best, and then shape their learning towards the requirements needed to achieve by the state and federal levels.

B ) Invest in infrastructure. Good quality schools, help children focus better on thier studies. Making sure the facility is clean, orderly, and fully repaired will help improve test scores. But not just that, but improve the child in a number of ways. Creating and maintaining athletic and extra curricular activities go towards enhancing one'sl earning potential.

C ) Require the parents to become involved in the process. If the parents are to busy in their fantasy lives to give a crap about their kid's learning problems; no amount of money, good facilities or enhanced infrastructure will work worth a damn. Children will take after their parent's views on things. If the parents dont give a shit, why should the kids?

D ) Nurturing and promoting side and after school activities. Band, chess club, art specials, theater, and even business field trips, expose kids to more things. Challenging them in a safe and controlled enviroment. Many skills caring over into their school work.

There are plenty more things. But Mississippi's school system is really in terrible shape. There are third world nations that are doing better than the state! When and if that state can push the bullshit politics out of things, they'll see better results. Since some of those politics appear of 'racist' viewpoints that are dinosaur models from the 1960's. This is 2015....no excuse.

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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 3:51:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		But now you're back to the need to invest(re:money) into school systems anchored in poor and depressed neighborhoods...which was what the first guys issue was anyway.

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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 3:54:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moderator3

I may need to ask for a new rule. Please don't make your thread title what some of these idiots are saying out there. Could this be more inflammatory? I hate seeing that on the scroll.

I just read this M3, I tried to edit, but its too late, if you wanna go ahead and change it....please do.
But for myself, I think people should be upset with what was said by an elected official.

But I totally understand if you want to change it.
i wont do it again...with a disclaimer that it actually was the headline I used, I didnt do it with malice aforethought.




I agree. I just cringe when I see stuff like that. lol


Surely the way forward is to let the title show how abnoxious the content is. Racist crap in politics needs exposing.

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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 4:00:55 PM   
slvemike4u


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Status: offline 		Okay,I've read both links and I still see little of new information other than the blatant racism of Alday.
Cut funding to education,come up short on whats supposed to be provided and the results are predicatble

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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 4:02:18 PM   
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But now you're back to the need to invest(re:money) into school systems anchored in poor and depressed neighborhoods...which was what the first guys issue was anyway.



His issue is that the budget is 2.3 Billion and kids cant read... even with all that money....

http://www.mde.k12.ms.us/docs/budget-and-planning-library/k-12-fy15-budget-request-as-approved-by-board-7-19-13

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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 4:05:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is 2.3 billion a lot of money considering the task.
Apparently not....lest why are they failing in such large numbers ?
Why is Miss. 50 out of 50.I realize someone has to be but don't be surprised if the results are less than stellar.

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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 4:27:32 PM   
quizzicalkitten


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Is 2.3 billion a lot of money considering the task.
Apparently not....lest why are they failing in such large numbers ?
Why is Miss. 50 out of 50.I realize someone has to be but don't be surprised if the results are less than stellar.



Well you see mike... THATS The question.

Is it the educators?
Is it the fact that they use common core?
Is it because parents arent involved? (this is where his racism sheds light on his thoughts on this)

How is it other states that are top 10 to 15 do so with a smaller/similar budget...

Huff post says top three states are

New Jersey pop 8.9 million edu budget 9 ish billion (the 4 sites i checked didnt give concrete figures)
Mass pop 6.7 million edu budget 4.4 billion
Vermont pop 626,562 edu budget 1.43 billion

rank 12 Texas pop 26 million edu budget 3.2 billion


rank 50 Mississippi pop 2.9 million edu budget 2.3 billion


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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 4:34:35 PM   
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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 6:31:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		The big issue is schools tasked to teach don't. Third grade is a break point on standardized tests. After three years of supposed education in the basics 28% cannot pass standardized testing.

Is throwing more money at a broken system the right thing to do? On legislator thinks that just throwing more money at the issue isn't the solution. This is a battle that has been going on for several years.

Dept of Education.. we need a lot more money to be able to meet minimum standards.
Legislature..... we need minimum standards for teachers in order to get students educated better

Then there is teacher seniority where teachers certified decades ago cannot be replaced with people that can actually pass standards tests.

I can personally attest from experience in Mississippi public schools that it is very difficult to learn proper English and grammar from a teacher that cannot speak grammatically. Combine that with a "socialization promotion" concept where kids are moved up a grade for being a warm body in a seat rather than for standard performance.... you get a Mississippi school system.


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