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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 6:39:17 PM   
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A Member of Mississippi’s House of Representatives declared his opposition to increased funding for his state’s beleaguered schools, saying blacks in his community already receive “welfare crazy checks ” that don’t work, reports the Jackson Clarion-Ledger.

In an interview, State Rep. Gene Alday (R-Walls) said he doesn’t believe additional funding is needed, stating “I don’t see any schools hurting,” before mentioning food stamps and welfare checks received by African-Americans in his hometown.

Faced with Mississippi school superintendents saying they expect to see more than 28 percent of students forced to repeat third grade, educators are seeking additional funding to hire reading coaches and train thousands of elementary and special education teachers.


Under a program instituted by Republican Gov. Phil Bryant, third grade students who fail to reach a certain proficiency level would be held back causing educators to worry about class enrollment levels.

While Jackson Public Schools Superintendent Cedrick Gray described what’s happening now with Mississippi’s upcoming test of third-graders as “a perfect storm,” Alday said more money is not the answer.

Admitting that Mississippi has poor performing school districts, Alday blamed it on voters “electing superintendents that don’t know anything about education.”

The former mayor of Walls continued on saying, “I come from a town where all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I call ‘welfare crazy checks.’ They don’t work.”

According to Alday, he once had to visit an emergency room in Walls for pain, explaining, “I liked to died. I laid in there for hours because they (blacks) were in there being treated for gunshots.”

In an editorial published in the Clarion-Ledger, the paper called for Alday to retire or be defeated at the polls for his “racist” comments.

“Alday is quickly becoming infamous for racist comments he made to investigative reporter Jerry Mitchell for an article about education policy and funding,” Sam Hall of the Clarion-Ledger wrote. “These comments simply aren’t acceptable by any standard, but they are especially worrisome coming from an elected official.”


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/mississippi-lawmaker-opposes-school-funding-bill-because-blacks-get-welfare-crazy-checks/
with a link to the original story

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2015/02/14/miss-third-grade-gate-fear-failure/23443737/


Off the record? LOL dumbarse arrogant asshole


Blah blah blah....assholes are everywhere. They don't make up the majority (just the news).

Get over it.

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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 6:47:26 PM   
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thank you for you considered opinion....



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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 7:34:19 PM   
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How do you "eliminate"the racism ?
Just pretend it isn't there ?
The very basis of his assertion is racism....there is no way to "remove" it.


Did he come from a city where all the blacks didn't work?

Did he come from a city where all the blacks were getting welfare checks?

If the answers to those two questions are "yes," then his assertions were statements of fact.

That's how you separate the racism from the assertions. If either one of those answers is "no," however, it becomes incredibly hard to rule out racism.


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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 7:44:13 PM   
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the black population of walls is 49%
The towns unemployment rate hasnt been above 9% since 2011.
Wether all the blacks in his town are on food stamps because their wages are so incredibly crap or he is flat out being a assole racist, his words speak for themselves.
I posted this earlier must have been a posting issue

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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 7:52:31 PM   
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Wait a few minutes and we will hear how this is another rising conservative star
Hell,maybe he will get to be on the dais with the rest of the Republican wannabe's running for President



possibly along with cracks about how this proves republicans are all racist. Too early to tell.


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Unfortunately, I can't seem to keep his hateful filth from showing up on my screen.

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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 7:57:22 PM   
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I drive a Mercury Mountaineer....rear end me and all you wind up with is a crushed radiator.....but thanks for the good thoughts.

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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 7:59:59 PM   
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How about we toss the political bullshit out for a moment.


Good luck with that.

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The report if correct, states third grades will be repeating that grade due to horrible reading skills. Am I the only one on this forum that find that both shocking and sad? Yes, I'm in Massachusetts, why should I give a damn about my fellow citizens in other states? That is a concept that is just to tough for some of you to fathom.


You are absolutely not the only one on here that finds that shocking and sad. I'm with you on that.

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Mississippi ranks #50 of 50 states in education. The Commonwealth of Massachusetts usually ranks in the top three slots, depending on the various reports and studies. How does Massachusetts do so well compared to Mississippi? Many things:
A ) The educators are both skilled and paid well to perform and operator. You pay people a competitive wage, and you will see results. People that put more effort into figuring out how each child learns best, and then shape their learning towards the requirements needed to achieve by the state and federal levels.


Mississippi has the 7th lowest average starting salary for a teacher in the US. Average Teacher salary isn't necessarily a good indicator, though Mississippi is 49th in that category (it could be effected by a higher percentage of less tenured teachers, so their wages would naturally be lower than a state that had a higher percentage of more tenured teachers). The graph of spending vs. achievement (at the HuffPo link) is deceiving, too. There are almost as many "high spending" schools that didn't achieve as well as those that did, and almost as many high achievement schools that weren't high spending.

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B ) Invest in infrastructure. Good quality schools, help children focus better on thier studies. Making sure the facility is clean, orderly, and fully repaired will help improve test scores. But not just that, but improve the child in a number of ways. Creating and maintaining athletic and extra curricular activities go towards enhancing one'sl earning potential.


To a degree, this is true. Athletic and extracurricular activities definitely help kids develop socially, too.

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C ) Require the parents to become involved in the process. If the parents are to busy in their fantasy lives to give a crap about their kid's learning problems; no amount of money, good facilities or enhanced infrastructure will work worth a damn. Children will take after their parent's views on things. If the parents dont give a shit, why should the kids?


All the educators I've ever talked to (from teachers to superintendents) have fingered parental support and involvement as the most key factor in academic achievement. How do we legislate parents being supportive and involved parents, though? That's quite a difficult task (else it would have already been done, no?).

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D ) Nurturing and promoting side and after school activities. Band, chess club, art specials, theater, and even business field trips, expose kids to more things. Challenging them in a safe and controlled enviroment. Many skills caring over into their school work.


I think D is part of B (extracurricular activities). Not that they aren't important, but it's a topic you've already brought up.

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There are plenty more things. But Mississippi's school system is really in terrible shape. There are third world nations that are doing better than the state! When and if that state can push the bullshit politics out of things, they'll see better results. Since some of those politics appear of 'racist' viewpoints that are dinosaur models from the 1960's. This is 2015....no excuse.


What I find particularly bad is that there are people who are complaining that these kids might be held back and it's going to impact school populations. It's not that the kids aren't able to read at a third grade level, but that it's going to make it more difficult to handle the increased number of students in 3rd grade.


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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 8:06:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
the black population of walls is 49%
The towns unemployment rate hasnt been above 9% since 2011.
Wether all the blacks in his town are on food stamps because their wages are so incredibly crap or he is flat out being a assole racist, his words speak for themselves.
I posted this earlier must have been a posting issue


Um, you just showed why his words might not speak for themselves, Lucy.

I'm not saying he isn't a racist scumbag. I was answering Mike's question about how to separate the racism from the facts. I find it highly unlikely the answer to either question I put forth is a truthful "yes."





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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 8:12:41 PM   
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Apparently I need to get someone in on the word filter. Please govern yourselves until then. I am not going to be real understanding.

If I see one more threat, the wishing for harm on another member or a suggestion of it, I will be banning that member for a lengthy time. You all know better and if it happens again, plan a very long vacation. I am not messing around here.



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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 8:16:15 PM   
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thank you for you considered opinion....




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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 8:17:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

the black population of walls is 49%
The towns unemployment rate hasnt been above 9% since 2011.
Wether all the blacks in his town are on food stamps because their wages are so incredibly crap or he is flat out being a assole racist, his words speak for themselves.
I posted this earlier must have been a posting issue


Again....assholes are everywhere...they don't speak for most.

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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/17/2015 8:18:59 PM   
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Apparently I need to get someone in on the word filter. Please govern yourselves until then. I am not going to be real understanding.

If I see one more threat, the wishing for harm on another member or a suggestion of it, I will be banning that member for a lengthy time. You all know better and if it happens again, plan a very long vacation. I am not messing around here.




I love everyone.

More specifically....only those that Mod 3 loves the most.

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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/18/2015 7:37:01 AM   
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Is 2.3 billion a lot of money considering the task.
Apparently not....lest why are they failing in such large numbers ?
Why is Miss. 50 out of 50.I realize someone has to be but don't be surprised if the results are less than stellar.



Well you see mike... THATS The question.

Is it the educators?
Is it the fact that they use common core?
Is it because parents arent involved? (this is where his racism sheds light on his thoughts on this)

How is it other states that are top 10 to 15 do so with a smaller/similar budget...

Huff post says top three states are

New Jersey pop 8.9 million edu budget 9 ish billion (the 4 sites i checked didnt give concrete figures)
Mass pop 6.7 million edu budget 4.4 billion
Vermont pop 626,562 edu budget 1.43 billion

rank 12 Texas pop 26 million edu budget 3.2 billion


rank 50 Mississippi pop 2.9 million edu budget 2.3 billion




Whatever’s going on in Mississippi, it’s not just a spending issue. This page here shows that although they are about the worst in achievement that is not the case when it comes to dollars spent.

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2014/06/03/states-spending-the-most-and-least-on-education/5/

Lemme throw this into the mix:

The USA spends more money than pretty much any other country in the world on education, and we are far from first as to having the most learned kids.

Liberals predominantly see the issue as one of spending (yes I know there are other issues, so you don’t need to point them out) and so a common response is to “spend more” as well as get the government more involved in the issue---whether it be the federal or state govt. I agree at some point dollars matter, but then at another point, throwing good money after bad needs to stop.

Conservatives tend to see the issue in terms of free market, competition and local control (the government being not so good at doing what they are charged with doing here). Charter schools, private schools and parochial schools (and home schooling) tend to do a better job of preparing kids, and they do it more efficiently from a cost perspective.

So when I see the left complain about what’s going on in education, I have to shake my head because they are so firmly opposed to the successful solutions above, which tells me it’s not “all about the children.”




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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 2/18/2015 10:49:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Is 2.3 billion a lot of money considering the task.
Apparently not....lest why are they failing in such large numbers ?
Why is Miss. 50 out of 50.I realize someone has to be but don't be surprised if the results are less than stellar.



Well you see mike... THATS The question.

Is it the educators?
Is it the fact that they use common core?
Is it because parents arent involved? (this is where his racism sheds light on his thoughts on this)

How is it other states that are top 10 to 15 do so with a smaller/similar budget...

Huff post says top three states are

New Jersey pop 8.9 million edu budget 9 ish billion (the 4 sites i checked didnt give concrete figures)
Mass pop 6.7 million edu budget 4.4 billion
Vermont pop 626,562 edu budget 1.43 billion

rank 12 Texas pop 26 million edu budget 3.2 billion


rank 50 Mississippi pop 2.9 million edu budget 2.3 billion



re- texas (Houston)- according to a parent with kids here the kids are required to know their ABCs before entering grade 1. This parent also pays for tutors for their kids that aren't bright enough to get high grades on their own.. parents pay big bucks to buy/rent in good school rated communities.. The parent is also expected to pay for and provide a long list of items that go into the school "kitty" to be used by all students including those that don't have $ to buy their own school stuff.. So, comparing state ratings, budgets etc is pretty hard to do imo.. and some of these school districts play games like sending low scoring kids into the better schools so their overall rating is higher than it normally would be.. and if a smart kid isn't at school (due to sickness etc), then the parent gets a call from the school asking when the kid will be back..

So how do poor black parents (who may not be well educated themselves or even illiterate) help their kids learn? especially if the parents are holding down 2 crappy low paying jobs just to provide food and shelter for their family.. Honestly, there are some areas here in this "boom town" where the total household income is under $15k/yr.. I expect it is much worse in MS.. The poorer the parents in the community are, the worse the local school system is.. oh, and if a kid is hungry or homeless, how can they possibly learn? there are about 2.5 million homeless children in the US.. and getting worse every year.. MS is pretty bad for that too (#49 out of 50)..

http://www.newsweek.com/child-homelessness-us-reaches-historic-high-report-says-285052

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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 5/4/2015 2:20:15 PM   
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Greetings Thread.
Americans receiving food stamps as reported by the United States Department of Agriculture.
As of the latest data released on April 10, 2015, the total is 46 million Americans, which is more
than the entire populations of many large nations.

CURRENT FOOD STAMP ROLLS BY RACE COLLECTED 2013

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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 5/4/2015 4:21:50 PM   
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strange that you would suggest that
no one else has made that assertion.



She insists to me that she doesnt do that........ Go figure.

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RE: all the blacks are getting food stamps and what I c... - 5/4/2015 4:25:34 PM   
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derp, yes, fund...not fun


You are just putting yourself up for a spanking from Ms Moderator. Dont be coy, just ask nicely.

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