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ExiledTyrant -> RE: The Anti-Anything Crowd (2/19/2015 6:08:06 AM)
Yep... that did it.

NookieNotes -> RE: The Anti-Anything Crowd (2/19/2015 6:20:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes (Emphasis is DaddySatyr's) quote: ORIGINAL: SinFix On that we can somewhat agree, while in your example I would be more than likely to put both of you in equal blame. With a man going to a pro or even just a mere prostitute, I am a little more forgiving of the prostitute as she is just earning a living but it does not absolve her of all blame. This is what I don't understand. Your promises have nothing to do with me. In fact, they may have nothing to do with my own personal sense of morality or ethics. I do not put my personal responsibilities on others. If I kiss a boy, and my SO is not happy about it, that boy holds no responsibility, in my view. It's all on me. Even if that boy knows I have an SO, he may not believe the same things I believe or you believe. Why should he have to fit himself to my personal (or your personal) moral culture? I do not believe morality is absolute. You don't? If someone lies to you, you're okay with that? I don't see how my personal responsibilities have anything to do with other people lying. And other people lying has nothing to do with my personal responsibilities. If you lie, I may or may not accept that. It is MY CHOICE to have you in my life or not, based on how I view the lie, not based on how I feel you should view the lie. quote: You don't EXPECT honesty from people? If you EXPECT honesty from people, you're imposing your moral code on them. And, personally, I'll own that. I don't expect ANYTHING from anyone who has not agreed to something with me. Why would I? I don't know you, therefore I don't expect anything from you. quote: I hold people to almost the same standards to which I hold myself. These standards are what I bring to a friendship, business partnership, personal relationship ... I demand them, in return. That's nice. I don't demand anything of anyone. I state the requirements and limitations of being a part of my life, then they either agree to abide by those, or they are not a part of my life. I see no reason to demand. quote: If you can honestly tell me that you have absolutely no expectations of others, I would question your own standards. This sentence structure makes no sense. I have no expectations of strangers. I have some expectations of acquaintances, based on agreements: "Can you be here by 7?" "Ok." I have more expectations of friends, based on agreements: "If you need me, I'll be there." "Thank you." I have the greatest expectations of my lovers based on agreements: "It's important to me that you tell me what you are feeling, even if you think I don't want to hear it. I will always be thankful for you telling me how you feel, even if it upsets me." "Ok." Beyond agreements, I find it hard to understand why you think I should expect something, anything, from someone I don't know, and who doesn't know me. Or why you would question "my own" standards...

GoddessManko -> RE: The Anti-Anything Crowd (2/19/2015 6:28:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes (Emphasis is DaddySatyr's) quote: ORIGINAL: SinFix On that we can somewhat agree, while in your example I would be more than likely to put both of you in equal blame. With a man going to a pro or even just a mere prostitute, I am a little more forgiving of the prostitute as she is just earning a living but it does not absolve her of all blame. This is what I don't understand. Your promises have nothing to do with me. In fact, they may have nothing to do with my own personal sense of morality or ethics. I do not put my personal responsibilities on others. If I kiss a boy, and my SO is not happy about it, that boy holds no responsibility, in my view. It's all on me. Even if that boy knows I have an SO, he may not believe the same things I believe or you believe. Why should he have to fit himself to my personal (or your personal) moral culture? I do not believe morality is absolute. You don't? If someone lies to you, you're okay with that? I don't see how my personal responsibilities have anything to do with other people lying. And other people lying has nothing to do with my personal responsibilities. If you lie, I may or may not accept that. It is MY CHOICE to have you in my life or not, based on how I view the lie, not based on how I feel you should view the lie. quote: You don't EXPECT honesty from people? If you EXPECT honesty from people, you're imposing your moral code on them. And, personally, I'll own that. I don't expect ANYTHING from anyone who has not agreed to something with me. Why would I? I don't know you, therefore I don't expect anything from you. quote: I hold people to almost the same standards to which I hold myself. These standards are what I bring to a friendship, business partnership, personal relationship ... I demand them, in return. That's nice. I don't demand anything of anyone. I state the requirements and limitations of being a part of my life, then they either agree to abide by those, or they are not a part of my life. I see no reason to demand. quote: If you can honestly tell me that you have absolutely no expectations of others, I would question your own standards. This sentence structure makes no sense. I have no expectations of strangers. I have some expectations of acquaintances, based on agreements: "Can you be here by 7?" "Ok." I have more expectations of friends, based on agreements: "If you need me, I'll be there." "Thank you." I have the greatest expectations of my lovers based on agreements: "It's important to me that you tell me what you are feeling, even if you think I don't want to hear it. I will always be thankful for you telling me how you feel, even if it upsets me." "Ok." Beyond agreements, I find it hard to understand why you think I should expect something, anything, from someone I don't know, and who doesn't know me. Or why you would question "my own" standards... I agree with everything Nookie said. The last part is especially a challenge with my current sub. I have to keep insisting on that and even then I can only gauge by his disposition how he's feeling and really I'm guessing based on what I know of him.

usememistress775 -> RE: The Anti-Anything Crowd (2/19/2015 6:43:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant quote: ORIGINAL: usememistress775 ETA: I do want to say I'm Anti-Pickles What kind of pickles... exactly? ANY PICKLES!!! Pickles are cucumbers soaked in EVIL!!!

ExiledTyrant -> RE: The Anti-Anything Crowd (2/19/2015 6:49:45 AM)
~FR I am happy about the various thread drift that happened here, but to aim this back on point, the Mods are making an effort to allow the board to flow naturally with less moderation (anarchy; law and freedom without enforcement), and that is possible through "general" respect, not necessarily "direct" respect for someone or some ideal, but general respect of the nature of this site. Again, aside from the clearly illegal stuff, any campaign against any single facet of the jewel that is kink should be left in the realm of personal opinion and not a campaign. There are many, many, many things in WIITWD that are not for me and is best that a reserve my opinion and simply accept that it's not my kink, but it is someones kink and it's okay... for them. Taking a "moral" stance on anything is great for you... just you, your morals, your opinion, it's yours. Own it all you want, don't shove it down someones throat as the "one true way" horse shit. Opposites do attract because they excite us, but alike stays with alike. So what ever moral ground you are standing on find your "alike" and sing kumbayah till you're heart's content. Allowing or condoning the "bash" of another's kink or fetish isn't what we do here and we should just not do it rather than waiting for the mods to clean up a mess that we already know is a mess in the making. Hence, all the snark~naddo's when a whiny little rant comes along screaming about fakes or blackballing. To pro-domme or not to pro-domme isn't even the question, it is the users choice, their "moral" decision, not yours. In my state it is illegal to have my cock sucked. Should I not do that because I will be morally bankrupt for allowing my cock to be sucked? I'll tell ya, I am one morally bankrupt tyrant that will grab my girl by the hair, drag her to her knees, and throat rape her till my black-heart is content and my lust satiated. Jus sayin

ExiledTyrant -> RE: The Anti-Anything Crowd (2/19/2015 6:50:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: usememistress775 quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant quote: ORIGINAL: usememistress775 ETA: I do want to say I'm Anti-Pickles What kind of pickles... exactly? ANY PICKLES!!! Pickles are cucumbers soaked in EVIL!!! I am so happy that you shared this with a site full of sadists. You. Are. Awesome!

usememistress775 -> RE: The Anti-Anything Crowd (2/19/2015 6:59:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant quote: ORIGINAL: usememistress775 quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant quote: ORIGINAL: usememistress775 ETA: I do want to say I'm Anti-Pickles What kind of pickles... exactly? ANY PICKLES!!! Pickles are cucumbers soaked in EVIL!!! I am so happy that you shared this with a site full of sadists. You. Are. Awesome! If I could have, pickles and Bieber would have been listed as hard limits.

ExiledTyrant -> RE: The Anti-Anything Crowd (2/19/2015 7:07:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: usememistress775 If I could have, pickles and Bieber would have been listed as hard limits. Time for a super secret sadist meeting... Sooo... is your schedule reasonably flexible and how long, exactly, can you be missing before anyone reports you missing... hypothetically of course?

UnholyBear -> RE: The Anti-Anything Crowd (2/19/2015 7:11:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr [color=#660099 In my view, ANYONE that helps a married (or otherwise committed) person to cheat on their partner is a scumbag. I don't care if they're making money doing it. That doesn't clear the books. The ACT ITSELF is a moral abomination (It's called "dishonesty" or "Subterfuge", if you like). Michael Thank you for this judgement.

usememistress775 -> RE: The Anti-Anything Crowd (2/19/2015 7:11:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant quote: ORIGINAL: usememistress775 If I could have, pickles and Bieber would have been listed as hard limits. Time for a super secret sadist meeting... Sooo... is your schedule reasonably flexible and how long, exactly, can you be missing before anyone reports you missing... hypothetically of course? Hypothetically speaking, A submissive I may be, but I will go full on Rambo if you try.

ExiledTyrant -> RE: The Anti-Anything Crowd (2/19/2015 7:15:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: usememistress775 quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant quote: ORIGINAL: usememistress775 If I could have, pickles and Bieber would have been listed as hard limits. Time for a super secret sadist meeting... Sooo... is your schedule reasonably flexible and how long, exactly, can you be missing before anyone reports you missing... hypothetically of course? Hypothetically speaking, A submissive I may be, but I will go full on Rambo if you try. Now you're just flirting... hypothetically speaking.

PeonForHer -> RE: The Anti-Anything Crowd (2/19/2015 7:19:18 AM)
quote: Taking a "moral" stance on anything is great for you... just you, your morals, your opinion, it's yours. Own it all you want, don't shove it down someones throat as the "one true way" horse shit. Opposites do attract because they excite us, but alike stays with alike. So what ever moral ground you are standing on find your "alike" and sing kumbayah till you're heart's content. I appreciate the exhortation, ET, but I don't think it's going to work in practice. Not so long as people consider that the moral considerations surrounding WIITWD are important.

usememistress775 -> RE: The Anti-Anything Crowd (2/19/2015 7:21:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant Now you're just flirting... hypothetically speaking. Gotta love a place where promises of stab wounds and arson are seen as flirting

ExiledTyrant -> RE: The Anti-Anything Crowd (2/19/2015 7:22:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: usememistress775 quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant Now you're just flirting... hypothetically speaking. Gotta love a place where promises of stab wounds and arson are seen as flirting I wouldn't call that flirting, that's foreplay. Jus sayin

ExiledTyrant -> RE: The Anti-Anything Crowd (2/19/2015 7:26:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Taking a "moral" stance on anything is great for you... just you, your morals, your opinion, it's yours. Own it all you want, don't shove it down someones throat as the "one true way" horse shit. Opposites do attract because they excite us, but alike stays with alike. So what ever moral ground you are standing on find your "alike" and sing kumbayah till you're heart's content. I appreciate the exhortation, ET, but I don't think it's going to work in practice. Not so long as people consider that the moral considerations surrounding WIITWD are important. Peon, the thread has had the desired effect; we're talking, there is activity, the drift has covered good and valid points, many people are chewing on judgments, our Tasmanian devil has reappeared after a suspiciously long absence ... and it could be a fetish delivery system for shifty if it hits 10 pages. All in all, life is good.

UnholyBear -> RE: The Anti-Anything Crowd (2/19/2015 7:31:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Taking a "moral" stance on anything is great for you... just you, your morals, your opinion, it's yours. Own it all you want, don't shove it down someones throat as the "one true way" horse shit. Opposites do attract because they excite us, but alike stays with alike. So what ever moral ground you are standing on find your "alike" and sing kumbayah till you're heart's content. I appreciate the exhortation, ET, but I don't think it's going to work in practice. Not so long as people consider that the moral considerations surrounding WIITWD are important. Peon, the thread has had the desired effect; we're talking, there is activity, the drift has covered good and valid points, many people are chewing on judgments, our Tasmanian devil has reappeared after a suspiciously long absence ... and it could be a fetish delivery system for shifty if it hits 10 pages. All in all, life is good. And seeing some of the moral condemnations used in a couple areas, I so serious have to question how much further it actually extends?

ExiledTyrant -> RE: The Anti-Anything Crowd (2/19/2015 7:32:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UnholyBear And seeing some of the moral condemnations used in a couple areas, I so serious have to question how much further it actually extends? Far beyond where it should. Jus sayin

usememistress775 -> RE: The Anti-Anything Crowd (2/19/2015 7:35:10 AM)
My absence has been more of a drifting back into gaming.... CK2 can kinda suck you in for weeks at a time if you let it.

UnholyBear -> RE: The Anti-Anything Crowd (2/19/2015 7:42:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant quote: ORIGINAL: UnholyBear And seeing some of the moral condemnations used in a couple areas, I so serious have to question how much further it actually extends? Far beyond where it should. Jus sayin Exactly. When it deals with people, nothing is ever black and white. But from reading and rereading many of the comments, I now know where I do stand with some people here especially when my own moral character was painted with the scumbag brush. Just my own observation yanno.

ExiledTyrant -> RE: The Anti-Anything Crowd (2/19/2015 7:49:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UnholyBear quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant quote: ORIGINAL: UnholyBear And seeing some of the moral condemnations used in a couple areas, I so serious have to question how much further it actually extends? Far beyond where it should. Jus sayin Exactly. When it deals with people, nothing is ever black and white. But from reading and rereading many of the comments, I now know where I do stand with some people here especially when my own moral character was painted with the scumbag brush. Just my own observation yanno. Bear, I love you for you and what you bring to our relationship. How you conduct other relationships is irrelevant to me/our relationship. I accept and appreciate the loyalty you have for me, for what it is... you're a big slut and your romantic/intimate partners accept it otherwise they would not be in your life. Again, you're conduct in any other relationship has no bearing on us, why would/should it?

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