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RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Co... - 2/19/2015 12:35:42 PM   
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Mike... if you keep your children off the streets... if you report crime... if you vote and support your city and police forces... If you keep your children in school... THIS is the way you make changes for the betterment of your life and neighborhood. Simple and responsible... quit bitching at others when it is your own damn fault.

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Even if those schools are nothing but gang affiliated cesspools of violence,and the very streets you walk to and fro are a mine field of gangs,drug dealers and prostitutes ?
Quite a statement....let me ask you do you have kids ?
If so ,did you raise then under such conditions ?


Who's fault is that?...My schools are NOT cesspools of violence...why?... Because I will not allow it and neither will my neighbors... It is personal responsibility...one family at a time.

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RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Co... - 2/19/2015 12:46:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		But these families have no way out and you know that better than most Butch.Living where you live and watching the violence that has taken place not that far removed from your area.
Wishing something was so does not make it so.....these people have no path out of their ghettos ,though some strive mightily to make the best of a bad situation the streets still grab at their children.

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RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Co... - 2/19/2015 1:22:23 PM   
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Who's fault is that?...My schools are NOT cesspools of violence...why?... Because I will not allow it and neither will my neighbors... It is personal responsibility...one family at a time.

Butch



Let's play 'Devil's Advocate' and give people the benefit of the doubt: They're so afraid of the dirt bags in their neighborhood that they've become catatonically apathetic.

That's all the more reason why something you said (and the spirit therein) becomes even more important: support and help the police and lawful authorities to help YOU (generic "you").

Like with many things, people get the neighborhood they have built. I could not agree with you, more.



Michael

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RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Co... - 2/19/2015 1:40:58 PM   
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Who's fault is that?...My schools are NOT cesspools of violence...why?... Because I will not allow it and neither will my neighbors... It is personal responsibility...one family at a time.

Butch



Let's play 'Devil's Advocate' and give people the benefit of the doubt: They're so afraid of the dirt bags in their neighborhood that they've become catatonically apathetic.

That's all the more reason why something you said (and the spirit therein) becomes even more important: support and help the police and lawful authorities to help YOU (generic "you").

Like with many things, people get the neighborhood they have built. I could not agree with you, more.

Michael

But...But...But...it's not their fault! It's the school...And the teachers...And the small amount of welfare money...And the white man...And the rich...And the drug dealer...And the liquor store...And the guy who sells them cigarettes...And the guy who MADE them pregant and left...And the bitch that stole all his money...And the store owner who won't just walk out his door and hand them money

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RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Co... - 2/19/2015 1:55:11 PM   
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But these families have no way out and you know that better than most Butch.Living where you live and watching the violence that has taken place not that far removed from your area.
Wishing something was so does not make it so.....these people have no path out of their ghettos ,though some strive mightily to make the best of a bad situation the streets still grab at their children.


Wow. What a GREAT message.


Sorry, you all are the wrong color to be able to effect change on your own lives. Ya see, you can only be the object and not the subject of your life. You just need to sit right there in your violent, run down, drug laden neighborhood and wait until some white man takes up the burden and lifts you out of it.

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RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Co... - 2/19/2015 2:30:07 PM   
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When did doing the right thing become doing the wrong thing?
Seriously. This is not a "where and how" you grew up thing.

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RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Co... - 2/19/2015 2:33:51 PM   
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*fast reply*
When did doing the right thing become doing the wrong thing?
Seriously. This is not a "where and how" you grew up thing.

I don't know. I grew up in small midwestern towns in the 50s and 60s in a police family. I think that if you have the power to do something and just stand by and watch a crime you are morally almost as bad as the criminal.

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RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Co... - 2/19/2015 5:11:33 PM   
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If this were my kid I would be more concerned with how I raised him to think robbing people at gun point was a good idea and be thankful he was still alive But I am not surprised they are trying to pin the blame on someone else.


The family is showing how they raised him to think the way he did. It wasn't that the kid was threatening to kill a person in an attempted robbery. It was that someone else who wasn't being preyed on stood up for those that were being preyed on. That's what they complain about. That's how you raise a kid to think robbing people at gun point is a good idea.

Hopefully the kid survives and uses this event to change his life for the better.






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RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Co... - 2/19/2015 5:14:21 PM   
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Not surprised Lucy but maybe tired of the "Hands up" bullshit of people that refuse to take responsibility for their children and neighborhoods.
Butch

yea, some people do seem to be taking that one a bit far.
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/27907762/men-sentenced-to-life-for-murder-torture-of-westland-teens
"DETROIT, Mich. (WJBK) - Two Westland teenagers were murdered execution-style in a vacant Detroit field two and half years ago.
Wednesday was their opportunity to address the men who killed their sons but what one of the defendants had to say to them left everyone shaking their heads."
When Young had his chance to apologize to the families - he did nothing of the sort..
"I'd like to say sorry to the families of Aiyanna Jones, Michael Brown, Eric Garner," Young said. "And I want to apologize to them for not being able to get justice for their loved ones who was murdered in cold blood - and in respect for the peaceful protest, I want to say hands up don't shoot. Black lives matter - that's it your honor."
Seriously, this little asshole beats and kills 2 people and then tries to claim it was somehow justified. He has proven he didn't think those 2 lives mattered, why would anyone care about his?


Maybe if those 2 teenagers had put their hands up, they'd still be alive today.

There is too damn much insanity in the world today.


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RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Co... - 2/19/2015 6:29:58 PM   
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Hopefully the kid survives and uses this event to change his life for the better.


hmmm.. what are the odds of that happening??? and if he does survive he will very likely go to jail where he will get more schooling in how to get away with it next time..

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RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Co... - 2/19/2015 6:54:02 PM   
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Hopefully the kid survives and uses this event to change his life for the better.


hmmm.. what are the odds of that happening??? and if he does survive he will very likely go to jail where he will get more schooling in how to get away with it next time..

Then are you saying they should have let him get away with it?
That they should never let him out?
Or that the citizen should have killed him.

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RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Co... - 2/19/2015 8:21:05 PM   
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, some people do seem to be taking that one a bit far.

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/27907762/men-sentenced-to-life-for-murder-torture-of-westland-teens

"DETROIT, Mich. (WJBK) - Two Westland teenagers were murdered execution-style in a vacant Detroit field two and half years ago.

Wednesday was their opportunity to address the men who killed their sons but what one of the defendants had to say to them left everyone shaking their heads."

When Young had his chance to apologize to the families - he did nothing of the sort..

"I'd like to say sorry to the families of Aiyanna Jones, Michael Brown, Eric Garner," Young said. "And I want to apologize to them for not being able to get justice for their loved ones who was murdered in cold blood - and in respect for the peaceful protest, I want to say hands up don't shoot. Black lives matter - that's it your honor."

Seriously, this little asshole beats and kills 2 people and then tries to claim it was somehow justified. He has proven he didn't think those 2 lives mattered, why would anyone care about his?


Wow just wow.
The world we live in, is completly upside down these days.
I am surprised that no one "here", has defended this nutcase that killed these young men.

The world we live in is spinning out of control, and getting worse and crazier by the day.

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RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Co... - 2/19/2015 9:01:42 PM   
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Hopefully the kid survives and uses this event to change his life for the better.


hmmm.. what are the odds of that happening??? and if he does survive he will very likely go to jail where he will get more schooling in how to get away with it next time..

Then are you saying they should have let him get away with it?
That they should never let him out?
Or that the citizen should have killed him.

oh ffs this is why I don't talk to you anymore... My comment was about the unlikelihood of this event changing his life for the better. I wasn't commenting on anything else. Jail will make him a better and more hardened criminal in which case his life of crime will continue, I don't see any life turnaround for this guy. I just found DS's comment about hopefully this will get him to turn his life around as rather strange.. the odds of that happening just aren't there..

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RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Co... - 2/19/2015 9:11:34 PM   
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Hopefully the kid survives and uses this event to change his life for the better.


hmmm.. what are the odds of that happening??? and if he does survive he will very likely go to jail where he will get more schooling in how to get away with it next time..

Then are you saying they should have let him get away with it?
That they should never let him out?
Or that the citizen should have killed him.

oh ffs this is why I don't talk to you anymore... My comment was about the unlikelihood of this event changing his life for the better. I wasn't commenting on anything else. Jail will make him a better and more hardened criminal in which case his life of crime will continue, I don't see any life turnaround for this guy. I just found DS's comment about hopefully this will get him to turn his life around as rather strange.. the odds of that happening just aren't there..

A Then you see a hopeless situation.
B Now that you mention it I thought you were putting me on hide.

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RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Co... - 2/19/2015 9:15:09 PM   
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If this were my kid I would be more concerned with how I raised him to think robbing people at gun point was a good idea and be thankful he was still alive But I am not surprised they are trying to pin the blame on someone else.


The family is showing how they raised him to think the way he did. It wasn't that the kid was threatening to kill a person in an attempted robbery. It was that someone else who wasn't being preyed on stood up for those that were being preyed on. That's what they complain about. That's how you raise a kid to think robbing people at gun point is a good idea.

Hopefully the kid survives and uses this event to change his life for the better.


While that would be nice, I doubt it will happen with his mother patting him on the head and saying poor baby, why'd they hurt you.

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RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Co... - 2/19/2015 9:17:51 PM   
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A Then you see a hopeless situation.
B Now that you mention it I thought you were putting me on hide.

A yes
B yes I did but then I unhid you cuz I was reading someone elses comments that were to you and forgot to hide you again..

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RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Co... - 2/19/2015 9:28:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mike you are making excuses for people that refuse to help themselves...It costs nothing to teach your children respect for themselves and others... It cost nothing to make sure your children go to school and do their homework... It costs nothing to make sure your kids are at home in bed late at night not running the streets in gangs. It costs nothing to pick up the phone and report crime...It costs nothing to show your kids that they must give respect to receive it.

I did all this...so can they...IT COSTS NOTHING

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RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Co... - 2/19/2015 11:22:53 PM   
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Mike you are making excuses for people that refuse to help themselves...It costs nothing to teach your children respect for themselves and others... It cost nothing to make sure your children go to school and do their homework... It costs nothing to make sure your kids are at home in bed late at night not running the streets in gangs. It costs nothing to pick up the phone and report crime...It costs nothing to show your kids that they must give respect to receive it.

I did all this...so can they...IT COSTS NOTHING

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That’s why things like “Institutional Racism” and “Privilege” are all the rage, because it changes the blame from someone or some thing that can be pointed at and dealt with, to something vague and amorphous that can’t be solved, thus making it the perfect scapegoat for one’s own failures.

Also it makes a good Kafkatrap.

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RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Co... - 2/20/2015 7:33:17 AM   
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Mike... if you keep your children off the streets... if you report crime... if you vote and support your city and police forces... If you keep your children in school... THIS is the way you make changes for the betterment of your life and neighborhood. Simple and responsible... quit bitching at others when it is your own damn fault.

Butch

Even if those schools are nothing but gang affiliated cesspools of violence,and the very streets you walk to and fro are a mine field of gangs,drug dealers and prostitutes ?
Quite a statement....let me ask you do you have kids ?
If so ,did you raise then under such conditions ?


Who's fault is that?...My schools are NOT cesspools of violence...why?... Because I will not allow it and neither will my neighbors... It is personal responsibility...one family at a time.

Butch



I don't think schools become cesspools of violence overnight. I think what happens is that the schools in the less affluent and disadvantaged areas are under such conditions which are more conducive to the triggers of violence. It's not the schools; it's the neighborhoods and communities they're in. The schools can't shield out whatever strife and violence is going on in the community around them, so the schools become a reflection of that.

As for whose fault it is, that depends. If there's just one school or one district which is a cesspool of violence, then one can look to that particular district to try to find fault. If one discerns a recurring pattern in multiple districts and cities in different states and in completely different geographical areas, then it would seem to be more of a national-level problem in which finding fault may be more problematic.

I agree that it's a personal responsibility, although when mentioning what I or you or what our neighbors won't allow, should we just stop at our own neighborhoods and not take responsibility on a national level? If we view all of America as one giant "neighborhood," then these cesspools of violence exist in our neighborhood, so why are we allowing it? Wouldn't it be "our" fault too?


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RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Co... - 2/20/2015 9:52:23 AM   
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Mike you are making excuses for people that refuse to help themselves...It costs nothing to teach your children respect for themselves and others... It cost nothing to make sure your children go to school and do their homework... It costs nothing to make sure your kids are at home in bed late at night not running the streets in gangs. It costs nothing to pick up the phone and report crime...It costs nothing to show your kids that they must give respect to receive it.

I did all this...so can they...IT COSTS NOTHING

Butch

My mother used to always say "you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink".. parents can try to do that but ultimately its really up to the kid what he/she does.. Even if those parents had tried to teach this guy differently, there is no guarantee which way he would have gone.. as a kid gets older, his/her friends are probably much more effective as influencers than stuffy old fogy lecturing parents are..

In this case part of the blame is on the parents but not all of it.. if he had any brains he would have figured things out on his own and made better choices on his own..

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