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slvemike4u -> Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license (2/19/2015 9:03:12 AM)
Texas Senator John Cornyn introduced a bill that would allow people from states with lax(hello Florida,more on that later)gun laws to carry their concealed weapons all around the country. So much for states rights when it doesn't play into the agenda of the right . Cornyn said in a press release that the goal is to treat local gun permits like drivers licenses....okay,if Virginia says you can drive ,who is New York to say you can't. It's assumed that the requirements for a drivers license are pretty similar from state to state... but gun laws vary from locality to locality,why must the citizens of New York be held to the lax standards of states such as Florida which doesn't even require residency to be granted a license.That's right,send a check to the State Department of Agriculture and your permit is on the way Collins goes on in the op ed to detail how 1,400 persons who had plead guilty to,or no contest to,felonies had been awarded Concealed Carry permits.She also expalins how Virginia demands that their applicants take an on line course to be approved. I don't know about the rest of you but I'm not feeling so safe given these more than lax standards for CCP's Full piece here.... http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/19/opinion/gail-collins-a-gun-on-every-corner.html?ref=todayspaper

BamaD -> RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license (2/19/2015 9:15:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Texas Senator John Cornyn introduced a bill that would allow people from states with lax(hello Florida,more on that later)gun laws to carry their concealed weapons all around the country. So much for states rights when it doesn't play into the agenda of the right . Cornyn said in a press release that the goal is to treat local gun permits like drivers licenses....okay,if Virginia says you can drive ,who is New York to say you can't. It's assumed that the requirements for a drivers license are pretty similar from state to state... but gun laws vary from locality to locality,why must the citizens of New York be held to the lax standards of states such as Florida which doesn't even require residency to be granted a license.That's right,send a check to the State Department of Agriculture and your permit is on the way Collins goes on in the op ed to detail how 1,400 persons who had plead guilty to,or no contest to,felonies had been awarded Concealed Carry permits.She also expalins how Virginia demands that their applicants take an on line course to be approved. I don't know about the rest of you but I'm not feeling so safe given these more than lax standards for CCP's Full piece here.... http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/19/opinion/gail-collins-a-gun-on-every-corner.html?ref=todayspaper You assume wrong about drivers licenses, I have gotten licenses in two states and the standards were much different.

slvemike4u -> RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license (2/19/2015 9:25:31 AM)
And that has fuck all to do with making CCP's portable...but you knew that anyway. Despite cosmetic differences one can assume that if you can drive in Texas you should be able to drive in Maine....concealed carry goes to the heart of each states right to pass local laws. Your crowd does believe in State's Right's ...correct ?

bounty44 -> RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license (2/19/2015 9:26:18 AM)
"I don't know about the rest of you but I'm not feeling so safe given these more than lax standards for CCP's " im not aware really that people with concealed carry permits are running around committing mayhem. are they?

CreativeDominant -> RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license (2/19/2015 9:28:48 AM)
They're carrying firearms, aren't they? Therefore, they are committing mayhem.

slvemike4u -> RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license (2/19/2015 9:29:28 AM)
I'm not aware that all concealed carry people are angles...are you,personally aware of that ? Especially when I consider I can get one from Florida thru the mail....[8\|]

BamaD -> RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license (2/19/2015 9:55:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 "I don't know about the rest of you but I'm not feeling so safe given these more than lax standards for CCP's " im not aware really that people with concealed carry permits are running around committing mayhem. are they? As you know it is virtually unknown, I am sure one of the anti gun crowd will find one example but as everyone who knows anything on the subject ccw holders are far less likely to run afoul of the law than the general population. The full faith clause in the Constitution requires recognition of things like wedding and driving licenses, why not ccws.

slvemike4u -> RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license (2/19/2015 10:03:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 "I don't know about the rest of you but I'm not feeling so safe given these more than lax standards for CCP's " im not aware really that people with concealed carry permits are running around committing mayhem. are they? As you know it is virtually unknown, I am sure one of the anti gun crowd will find one example but as everyone who knows anything on the subject ccw holders are far less likely to run afoul of the law than the general population. The full faith clause in the Constitution requires recognition of things like wedding and driving licenses, why not ccws. And yet the great state of Florida issued some 1,400 such permits to folks who either pleaded guilty or no contest to felony charges All that was in the linked story,but you guys have no time to read links before spouting easily refutable bullshit on a public forum.

KenDckey -> RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license (2/19/2015 10:05:02 AM)
I am in favor of this. I think that if you meet a states requirements, regardless of how lax, then cool. If they wanted to establish a minimum "reasonable" standard for all states on CCW then cool. And I recognize to some reasonable means someone has to be able to prove that they are being shot at before being allowed to carry. Others can't think of any restrictions that make up a reason not to. By reasonable, a course with appropriate subject matter (marksmanship, safety, etc.) and a general overview of the laws of the land.

slvemike4u -> RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license (2/19/2015 10:11:54 AM)
Okay let's look at that Ken(though I do admire how readily the idea of state's rights got tossed by the conservative's here)what you propose means New York gets a right to weigh in on Florida's standards for concealed carry...so far so good with you ? Right now Florida has approved the request of 216 folks with outstanding warrants ,28 more with active domestic violence injunctions.....shall I keep going are do you see that there might be an issue with this hare brained scheme ? Virginia allows me to take an on line course in order to meet my requirements...so in practice you can take the class for me...how does that work for you ? Of course all this information was in the piece...not that any of you gun fondlers give a shit,but it's their if you would like to look at it

BamaD -> RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license (2/19/2015 10:26:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey I am in favor of this. I think that if you meet a states requirements, regardless of how lax, then cool. If they wanted to establish a minimum "reasonable" standard for all states on CCW then cool. And I recognize to some reasonable means someone has to be able to prove that they are being shot at before being allowed to carry. Others can't think of any restrictions that make up a reason not to. By reasonable, a course with appropriate subject matter (marksmanship, safety, etc.) and a general overview of the laws of the land. Alabama has about as lax set of rules as any state, and the often refuse permit requests. It is a must issue state meaning that the sheriff must have a reason to not issue, but there are several reasons for not doing so. First and foremost is, of course, a felony conviction. Even reinstatement of rights does not change this without a specific reinstatement of gun rights. May issue usually requires the request to prove a need. May issue treats it as a privilege, must issue treats it as a right.

BamaD -> RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license (2/19/2015 10:31:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Okay let's look at that Ken(though I do admire how readily the idea of state's rights got tossed by the conservative's here)what you propose means New York gets a right to weigh in on Florida's standards for concealed carry...so far so good with you ? Right now Florida has approved the request of 216 folks with outstanding warrants ,28 more with active domestic violence injunctions.....shall I keep going are do you see that there might be an issue with this hare brained scheme ? Virginia allows me to take an on line course in order to meet my requirements...so in practice you can take the class for me...how does that work for you ? Of course all this information was in the piece...not that any of you gun fondlers give a shit,but it's their if you would like to look at it But Fl does not allow convicted felons to have firearms, federal law prevents people with open domestic dispute injunctions to own a firearm. So either the site was inaccurate(or misleading) or the requests were improperly handled. This does not prove anything. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

slvemike4u -> RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license (2/19/2015 10:38:27 AM)
What does it matter if the issuance was a result of the state's mishandling of the requests or state policy.Either way you have felons with licenses .....you are just bolstering my argument that New York should not be required to honor out of state permits.....not all states are equal in the attention they pay to this matter.

bounty44 -> RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license (2/19/2015 10:39:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u I'm not aware that all concealed carry people are angles...are you,personally aware of that ? Especially when I consider I can get one from Florida thru the mail....[8\|] in the absence of evidence to the contrary, my "benefit of the doubt" goes on the side of the people who want the permits.

slvemike4u -> RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license (2/19/2015 10:41:40 AM)
Fine,according to each states laws.....this would make New York laws null and void and replace them with the law of say...Florida. How does that jive with State's rights...a conservatives favorite battle cry ?

BamaD -> RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license (2/19/2015 10:46:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u What does it matter if the issuance was a result of the state's mishandling of the requests or state policy.Either way you have felons with licenses .....you are just bolstering my argument that New York should not be required to honor out of state permits.....not all states are equal in the attention they pay to this matter. No you have people with warrants, unless you have done away with innocent until proven guilty. You are seriously trying to say that New York never makes a mistake are you?

igor2003 -> RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license (2/19/2015 10:51:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Texas Senator John Cornyn introduced a bill that would allow people from states with lax(hello Florida,more on that later)gun laws to carry their concealed weapons all around the country. So much for states rights when it doesn't play into the agenda of the right . Cornyn said in a press release that the goal is to treat local gun permits like drivers licenses....okay,if Virginia says you can drive ,who is New York to say you can't. It's assumed that the requirements for a drivers license are pretty similar from state to state... but gun laws vary from locality to locality,why must the citizens of New York be held to the lax standards of states such as Florida which doesn't even require residency to be granted a license.That's right,send a check to the State Department of Agriculture and your permit is on the way Collins goes on in the op ed to detail how 1,400 persons who had plead guilty to,or no contest to,felonies had been awarded Concealed Carry permits.She also expalins how Virginia demands that their applicants take an on line course to be approved. I don't know about the rest of you but I'm not feeling so safe given these more than lax standards for CCP's Full piece here.... http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/19/opinion/gail-collins-a-gun-on-every-corner.html?ref=todayspaper I understand your concern about states like Florida if, indeed, they are being lax in monitoring to whom they issue permits. That should definitely be addressed, But as a legal CCW permit holder in my state, having completed the necessary requirements to legally obtain and hold the permit in my state, I would like to be able to drive across the country, and go from state to state, and city to city without having to be familiar with the individual laws of every city, county, and state through which I drive. If I inadvertently forget to stow my weapon in the trunk of the car when I cross a county line, I'd like to know that I'm not going to be arrested for that kind of infraction. Now, in my own situation I don't travel that much. But if and/or when I do travel, I'd like to be able to carry my firearm if I feel that it might be needed, and I'd like to be able to do so legally without having to get a separate permit for every state that I might pass through, though some states do recognize permits from certain other states.

BamaD -> RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license (2/19/2015 10:51:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Fine,according to each states laws.....this would make New York laws null and void and replace them with the law of say...Florida. How does that jive with State's rights...a conservatives favorite battle cry ? An Alabama drivers license is much easier to get than a Missouri one (the two states where I have gotten them) and yet Missouri must recognize the Alabama license. Does this make the Missouri law null and void and replace it with the Alabama law? How does that jibe with State's rights, a battle cry with which you have suddenly become enamored.

bounty44 -> RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license (2/19/2015 10:51:41 AM)
from what i can tell, this was actually visited a handful of years ago: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/T?&report=hr277&dbname=112& NATIONAL RIGHT-TO-CARRY RECIPROCITY ACT OF 2011 NOVEMBER 10, 2011- Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed Mr. SMITH of Texas, from the Committee on the Judiciary, submitted the following R E P O R T together with DISSENTING VIEWS

slvemike4u -> RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license (2/19/2015 10:52:07 AM)
Read the article....1,400 felons,those who have pled guilty and or no contest to the felony charges.....sheesh,It's like walking little children across the street. Read the article,none of the stats are mine....either the stats are wrong or the state of florida is doing a shitty job handing out CC permits. And how about Virginia where I can qualify ahter taking an on line course ?

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