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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/21/2015 5:58:10 PM   
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yes, he was a war hero and I was a drop kick and the black sheep. But I grew up very confident and self sufficient. I think that was because of his calm way of looking at life but at the same time giving me freedom to roam and explore.

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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/22/2015 4:07:53 AM   
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remote that's an interesting take...and I can add something to it too...

when I was a kid, there were no single parent households. everyone of my friends, myself included, had a mother and father at home. today I understand about 1 in 4 children live with only one parent.

I wonder also about demographic changes from rural and suburban to urban?

anyway though...im still troubled by the notion of free-range kids' parents being under scrutiny by the state and other parents. it seems to me to represent a sea change in a bad direction in terms of how we all look at things.

it's not as simple, because we are talking about minors, as a liberty vs security argument, though I do think that's a large part of it. I also think it speaks to a question of "who do children belong to?"

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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/22/2015 4:17:32 AM   
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Bounty they belong to the village. Parents rghts were taken away during the Clinton Administration because they were incompetent I believe.

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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/22/2015 4:26:16 AM   
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Bounty they belong to the village. Parents rghts were taken away during the Clinton Administration because they were incompetent I believe.



Another way of saying that is: ever since the Anti-Christ and her "It Takes A Village" bullshit and her ability to influence that agenda because she married her male mouthpiece, the children have belonged to the state; an idea that's been so successful, everywhere else it's been tried ... NOT!



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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/22/2015 4:51:56 AM   
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Tongue in cheek,
Nope parents in the 50s and 60s were happy and stayed together out of love and devotion. They never beat their kids, no one had a drug problem, no one had a drinking problem, violence and abuse never happened, their kids were perfect, they all had perfect childhoods, and are more superior to everyone else since.


we are talking more than fifty years ago huh
were you sleeping the whole time or did you just ignore the changes over the last five decades, or is it the whole political armchair blame. By the way, the same happened across europe and canada, and You wanna blame clinton?
watch out Im gonna have those tail feathers while you have your head stuck.

Altho it would explain why the GOP has been cutting food and health programs for kids SNAP, TANF etc etc ad nauseam since clinton.
Then blame whoever it takes to keep your faith that your lives, your kids are perfect but everyone else is fucked up, and by extension to blame for any problems YOU have.

it doesnt surprise me that its mostly older men jumping in here..


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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/22/2015 5:30:11 AM   
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I don't see anything I wrote, or that anyone else replied to as implying that the 50s didn't include the things you mentioned. I merely brought up that time period in relation to the amount of time parents may or may not have available with their children as a possible explanation as to why there's seemingly a difference between then, and now.


I see the state hassling homeschool parents as a part of the "who do your children belong to" conversation also...

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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/22/2015 5:43:46 AM   
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dont get defensive
you see the top of my reply...
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Tongue in cheek, ?????????

FR means it wasnt aimed at you, and it was a *tongue in cheek* response


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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/22/2015 6:55:01 AM   
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Bounty they belong to the village. Parents rghts were taken away during the Clinton Administration because they were incompetent I believe.



Another way of saying that is: ever since the Anti-Christ and her "It Takes A Village" bullshit and her ability to influence that agenda because she married her male mouthpiece, the children have belonged to the state; an idea that's been so successful, everywhere else it's been tried ... NOT!



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Yup Unfortunately that still seems to be the attitude of sooooooooo many out there

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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/22/2015 7:51:43 AM   
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There are definite trends and policies that punish those that would reproduce. The government has gone to great lengths in the US to destroy the family unit, and this is another anti-family trend that makes many people choose not to have kids. Parents today live in constant fear that their own government is going to seize their child if there is any perception of neglect--as a result, alot of parents over-compensate. So today's kids don't have half the freedoms I did as a kid. I doubt this generation will have the self confidence and self discipline or work ethic to take charge of this society when they become adults. Too many just want to be taken care of. Adult kids living with their parents is at an all time high. But then, maybe a bunch of adult babies is what the socialist schemers want: sheeple who will vote for less freedom and more government power.

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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/23/2015 4:48:29 AM   
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given that Marxists/communists believe the state is more important than the family in terms of allegiance, i can understand leftist practices that purposefully seek to undermine the family.

here's a few things a quick search showed about the bad effects of helicoptering:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/37493795/ns/health-childrens_health/t/helicopter-parents-have-neurotic-kids/

“The results show having so-called "helicopter parents" was associated with being dependent, neurotic and less open, a slew of personality traits that are generally thought of as undesirable.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2013/12/millennial_narcissism_helicopter_parents_are_college_students_bigger_problem.html

“A 2013 study in the Journal of Child and Family Studies found that college students who experienced helicopter-parenting reported higher levels of depression and use of antidepressant medications. The researchers suggest that intrusive parenting interferes with the development of autonomy and competence. So helicopter parenting leads to increased dependence and decreased ability to complete tasks without parental supervision.”

http://healthland.time.com/2013/02/22/hover-no-more-helicopter-parents-may-breed-depression-and-incompetence-in-their-children/

“Their answers showed that helicopter parenting decreased adult children’s feelings of autonomy, competence and connection. In turn, feeling incompetent led to increased reports of feeling depressed and dissatisfied. “These parents have the best intentions,” says Schiffrin. “They are being involved to help their child be successful. But as we know from the previous study, that high level of involvement is stressful for parents and it is not benefiting the kids. It’s actually harming them.””



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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/23/2015 8:15:44 AM   
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oh so leftists undermine the family, LMFAO
what utter crap
you trying to tell me that helicopters and free range parenting is political
Bloody idiocy

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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/23/2015 8:38:09 AM   
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oh so leftists undermine the family, LMFAO
what utter crap
you trying to tell me that helicopters and free range parenting is political
Bloody idiocy


Yep, bring on the RW's 'usual suspects'. Nothing to do with the world outside being felt to be more dangerous to one's kids as a result of increase in traffic on the roads, crimes and the paranoid reporting of both by sensationalising journalists - all in the tones of general menace 'out there in the world' that you see in the media all the time.

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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/23/2015 9:09:08 AM   
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The government has gone to great lengths in the US to destroy the family unit, and this is another anti-family trend that makes many people choose not to have kids.

what???? people today are choosing not to have kids cuz of the fear that the govt might take them away??? Imo, people today are choosing not to have kids cuz they cant fn' afford to have kids.. its not that most don't want to, its cuz wages have not gone up but costs have.. its cuz of the albatross of tens of thousands in student loan debt around their neck for years/decades.. they cant afford to buy a house either..

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Too many just want to be taken care of. Adult kids living with their parents is at an all time high.

The smart ones work their arses off while living at home and save every penny so they can buy a house and maybe have kids of their own.. Parents of those kinds of adult kids usually want to help them do that so they are fine with this living arrangement.. I wish I had that choice when I was young cuz that's what I would have done.. logistically it was not possible for me..

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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/23/2015 9:56:09 AM   
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I'm unsure of the political origins of the two, and ive also not given a lot of thought as to the present political relationships of the two either.

but I can reiterate, that the question of who kids belong to is nevertheless a part of the conversation, and that implies a tension between the state, and parents.

in the case of Marxism (the political), here's a quote by engels (you will be able see the tension illustrated I mentioned above):

“With the transfer of the means of production into common ownership, the single family ceases to be the economic unit of society. Private housekeeping is transformed into a social industry. The care and education of the children becomes a public affair..."

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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/23/2015 10:04:38 AM   
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I was probably more of a "free range" kid, at least in my early years, as we lived in a small, somewhat insular community, with a lot of woods around to play in. I remember even in my pre-kindergarten days, I would play outside with minimal adult supervision - and often go quite a long ways from the house without my parents actually knowing where I was.

It got a bit dicey on one occasion when I took my tricycle down to the highway with the intention of riding 14 miles to visit my dad at work. A couple of ladies in a station wagon pulled over and asked if I wanted to go to the police station, which is where they took me. Looking back on it now, I suppose I may have placed myself at enormous risk - although I wasn't cognizant of it at the time. My mother was pissed off at me over the whole incident and how much embarrassment it caused her - and she would still recount the story years later at nearly every family gathering.

My parents got divorced when I was 7 - and a few years of moving back and forth to different settings - some of which were in the rougher parts of large urban areas - I probably got a bit more "street-wise." I was always a "latch-key kid" in a single-parent household, with minimal adult supervision. But I also had a keen sense of direction, knew how to read signs, note landmarks - so I was never actually "lost." I always knew where I was and how to get home - no matter how far I ventured.

Most of the kids would walk to school if they lived close enough, or else they would take the school bus if it was too far to walk. It was a rare occurrence to see parents picking up or dropping off their kids to school. Nowadays, every school has a mini traffic jam at the time of arrival and dismissal.

I suppose another difference is that we didn't have as many at-home "diversions" that later came into being due to advancements in video gaming technology. And, as much as I've come to enjoy the convenience of having a cellphone, I'm certainly glad that technology was not widely available when I was a teenager. We didn't even have caller ID back then.

I don't know if the world was any "safer" back then - although there was a surge in crime in the 70s and 80s which led to greater public attention and awareness of crime. At some point (and I don't recall exactly when), pictures of missing children started showing up on milk cartons with the heading "Have you seen me?" There were a few local cases where they had billboards up trying to find a young child, with notices and fliers all over town. Some cases have also garnered national attention, as well as establishing the Amber Alert system, giving greater public awareness to the dangers that lurk out there. The overall public attitude has changed, so I can see why some would favor being helicopter parents over allowing free range kids.


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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/23/2015 10:33:20 AM   
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I'm unsure of the political origins of the two, and ive also not given a lot of thought as to the present political relationships of the two either.

Then stop posting ignorant bullshit like this
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given that Marxists/communists believe the state is more important than the family in terms of allegiance, i can understand leftist practices that purposefully seek to undermine the family.


YOU posted it, take bloody responsibility for inserting it where the sun dont shine and making a clearly HIGHLY ignorant comment


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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/23/2015 11:12:48 AM   
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Are you a helicopter parent?

http://www.education.com/slideshow/helicopter-parenting/chronically-over-prepared6/

http://www.parents.com/parenting/better-parenting/what-is-helicopter-parenting/

http://m.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/Family/2012/0419/Are-you-a-Helicopter-Parent-Take-our-quiz/When-your-baby-drops-a-cookie-on-the-floor-you

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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/23/2015 12:19:04 PM   
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If I were forced to name one reason why it might be less safe for kids these days to roam free, it'd be the feeling that there's less of a sense of community these days. The upshot of social fragmentation and tendency not to think in terms of community but only as individuals - is that I'd expect less of an instinct amongst adults to care for kids that aren't their own.

So what we need is a new worldview that focuses on community. A new ism needs to be coined for this. A term that starts with comm- and finishes with -ism. Hmmm.

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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/23/2015 1:10:55 PM   
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Are you a helicopter parent?

http://www.education.com/slideshow/helicopter-parenting/chronically-over-prepared6/

http://www.parents.com/parenting/better-parenting/what-is-helicopter-parenting/

http://m.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/Family/2012/0419/Are-you-a-Helicopter-Parent-Take-our-quiz/When-your-baby-drops-a-cookie-on-the-floor-you


Nope. I am an asshole parent.

Except for the "preparedness' stuff. Yes, I do make sure we have sunscreen, jackets, snacks, water bottles, whatever if we are doing family outings.

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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/23/2015 1:20:15 PM   
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If I were forced to name one reason why it might be less safe for kids these days to roam free, it'd be the feeling that there's less of a sense of community these days. The upshot of social fragmentation and tendency not to think in terms of community but only as individuals - is that I'd expect less of an instinct amongst adults to care for kids that aren't their own.

So what we need is a new worldview that focuses on community. A new ism needs to be coined for this. A term that starts with comm- and finishes with -ism. Hmmm.

I'll get my coat.

its also that people are now much more aware of the pedo next door (or in their family) so blind trust isnt there for most quite the way it used to be.. I mean, face it, you can go online now and see the crime in your neighborhood, find the sex offenders in your neighborhood, etc.. In the good old days they were there too, but you didnt usually have access to that info like we do today..

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