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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/23/2015 1:32:20 PM   
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its also that people are now much more aware of the pedo next door (or in their family) so blind trust isnt there for most quite the way it used to be.. I mean, face it, you can go online now and see the crime in your neighborhood, find the sex offenders in your neighborhood, etc.. In the good old days they were there too, but you didnt usually have access to that info like we do today..


True.

To add, maybe irrelevantly, there is a *lot* to this sort of debate that doesn't fit snugly into the comfy old right wing / left wing categories. At least, not for me, it doesn't.

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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/23/2015 1:48:59 PM   
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Its not only parents who restrict children from the freedom of individuality and adventure. Local councils put so many restrictions on what children can and can’t do.
We used to walk on walls, climb trees and chalk hopscotch on the pavements. I haven’t seen a hopscotch chalking for years and I can’t remember the last time I saw a child climb a tree or walk along a wall.

Some of my family members run a kids action station in Bristol. It’s a game where you have to run if you are really going to enjoy the game but because a recent law suit… a child fell and broke his front tooth whilst running; they now have big signs up saying, “NO RUNNING”. The fear of being sued by parents is putting so many restrictions on the kids of today. Even if they are given parental freedom, society will fill in the gaps of their “bad parenting”


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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/23/2015 4:31:17 PM   
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Its not only parents who restrict children from the freedom of individuality and adventure. Local councils put so many restrictions on what children can and can’t do.
We used to walk on walls, climb trees and chalk hopscotch on the pavements. I haven’t seen a hopscotch chalking for years and I can’t remember the last time I saw a child climb a tree or walk along a wall.

Some of my family members run a kids action station in Bristol. It’s a game where you have to run if you are really going to enjoy the game but because a recent law suit… a child fell and broke his front tooth whilst running; they now have big signs up saying, “NO RUNNING”. The fear of being sued by parents is putting so many restrictions on the kids of today. Even if they are given parental freedom, society will fill in the gaps of their “bad parenting”



In the city I grew up in, my parents set my curfew. Now, the city has set the curfew for those under 18.

I have seen studies that claim that felony inmates have more freedoms/rights than young adults.

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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/23/2015 5:14:25 PM   
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I'm unsure of the political origins of the two, and ive also not given a lot of thought as to the present political relationships of the two either.

Then stop posting ignorant bullshit like this
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given that Marxists/communists believe the state is more important than the family in terms of allegiance, i can understand leftist practices that purposefully seek to undermine the family.


YOU posted it, take bloody responsibility for inserting it where the sun dont shine and making a clearly HIGHLY ignorant comment



as to your first point, that's the purpose of a thread--to discuss and explore thoughts. last I checked posters don't have to know everything about what it is they are posting.

as to your second point, I responded by quoting engels on the marxist desire to lessen the ties of the family and strengthen the ones to the state. I don't know what more horse's mouth you could hear it from than him. you can call him "highly ignorant" if you like.

that all said, I thought it might be respectful to let you know i'll be putting you on hide, you've gone a long way towards making my time here unenjoyable and I don't want deal with it anymore.

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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/23/2015 5:48:03 PM   
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that all said, I thought it might be respectful to let you know i'll be putting you on hide, you've gone a long way towards making my time here unenjoyable and I don't want deal with it anymore.



No, Bounty. It's a well-documented fact (here) that "no reply is a reply".

You are a gentleman (and that's one of the highest compliments I can pay a man).



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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/23/2015 6:07:56 PM   
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Oh Noes, I iz defastated. someone on the interwebz cant handle cwiticism and facts.
Calls names and ignorance, but runs away when called on it and hides.
If you cant back up your bullshit, try not spreading it via the blanket spray method.
you must feel terrible...I know I do



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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/23/2015 6:49:59 PM   
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Its not only parents who restrict children from the freedom of individuality and adventure. Local councils put so many restrictions on what children can and can’t do.
We used to walk on walls, climb trees and chalk hopscotch on the pavements. I haven’t seen a hopscotch chalking for years and I can’t remember the last time I saw a child climb a tree or walk along a wall.

Some of my family members run a kids action station in Bristol. It’s a game where you have to run if you are really going to enjoy the game but because a recent law suit… a child fell and broke his front tooth whilst running; they now have big signs up saying, “NO RUNNING”. The fear of being sued by parents is putting so many restrictions on the kids of today. Even if they are given parental freedom, society will fill in the gaps of their “bad parenting”



This exactly, my mother joined the city council because of a "no wheeled vehicles on sidewalks" law in that city, this was meant for skateboarders but akso meant kids couldn't learn to ride bikes, women couldnt push strollers, etc. I just saw a news report december about a community here where Christmas lights were illegal. We created a world so governed by fear that people arent allowed to live anymore. So kids play video games and people let out their frustration on the internet, the last place they feel safe to throw a tantrum. We teach kids to fall in line, learn what you are taught, prepare you for a society where paperwork defines your place in the world and you will be fine as long as you do what everyone else does. Just sit at your desk, stare at your screen, take your pills, bend over....

I always assumed people would realize and be upset, but they like it. I saw another news report a couple months back about a guy who started renovating his house and the neighborhood sued him to make him tear down his new wing because it made his house look better than theirs.... that was their actual reason. They were upset because their neighborhood became prettier. They wanted to ruin his life, take his home... Because his house no longer matched theirs. This is the result of social evolution, it is incredibly disheartening.

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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/23/2015 8:43:05 PM   
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If I were forced to name one reason why it might be less safe for kids these days to roam free, it'd be the feeling that there's less of a sense of community these days. The upshot of social fragmentation and tendency not to think in terms of community but only as individuals - is that I'd expect less of an instinct amongst adults to care for kids that aren't their own.

So what we need is a new worldview that focuses on community. A new ism needs to be coined for this. A term that starts with comm- and finishes with -ism. Hmmm.

I'll get my coat.

its also that people are now much more aware of the pedo next door (or in their family) so blind trust isnt there for most quite the way it used to be.. I mean, face it, you can go online now and see the crime in your neighborhood, find the sex offenders in your neighborhood, etc.. In the good old days they were there too, but you didnt usually have access to that info like we do today..


I was also thinking the same thing as I was writing my earlier post. When I was a kid, in the neighborhood I grew up in, everyone knew everyone. We knew the first/last names of most of our neighbors, where they worked, how many kids they had, and other various mundane details about their lives. Of course, we had our share of busybodies and gossipy neighbors, but if anyone was in the neighborhood who clearly didn't belong, they would be immediately noticed. We knew who the regular delivery people were, who the postal carrier was, meter readers, police officers. (I later came to realize many years later that our town's police department had a reputation as being hard-nosed towards anyone they deemed as an "outsider.")


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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/23/2015 9:01:27 PM   
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So what we need is a new worldview that focuses on community. A new ism needs to be coined for this. A term that starts with comm- and finishes with -ism. Hmmm.

Wait, I know! Communityism!

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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/23/2015 10:59:30 PM   
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That would be one huge reason I don't want kids.
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The government has gone to great lengths in the US to destroy the family unit, and this is another anti-family trend that makes many people choose not to have kids.

what???? people today are choosing not to have kids cuz of the fear that the govt might take them away??? Imo, people today are choosing not to have kids cuz they cant fn' afford to have kids.. its not that most don't want to, its cuz wages have not gone up but costs have.. its cuz of the albatross of tens of thousands in student loan debt around their

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Too many just want to be taken care of. Adult kids living with



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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/25/2015 7:12:22 AM   
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I think ive mentioned this earlier...I see as a part of the whole conversation the need to answer the question, "who do your children belong to?"

and I think a follow-up question to that would be, "what does that really mean and what does that look like?"

somewhere in all this mix too is the tension between liberty and security, risk and reward...

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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 2/25/2015 8:40:22 AM   
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So what we need is a new worldview that focuses on community. A new ism needs to be coined for this. A term that starts with comm- and finishes with -ism. Hmmm.

Wait, I know! Communityism!

K.




Led by a... Commune-ityism... Organizer?

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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 3/5/2015 4:45:27 AM   
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this thread may have run its course, but just in case not, a most recent update:

http://www.inquisitr.com/1892310/free-range-parents-deemed-guilty-of-unsubstantiated-child-neglect/

the parents whose experience in part prompted me to start this thread were found guilty of child neglect.

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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 3/5/2015 7:58:59 AM   
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this thread may have run its course, but just in case not, a most recent update:

http://www.inquisitr.com/1892310/free-range-parents-deemed-guilty-of-unsubstantiated-child-neglect/

the parents whose experience in part prompted me to start this thread were found guilty of child neglect.


I'm fascinated that CPS always has time for crap like this, but when a child under their supervision is lost, killed, raped, or abused, they always plead their heavy workload as an excuse for their negligence.

Some cases are:
"ruled out" - proven not to have happened, or

"unsubstantiated" - investigators have been unable to confirm the occurrence of abuse or neglect, or alternately, means there is credible evidence but less than a preponderance of evidence to support the allegation

"Unfounded" - means there is no credible evidence to support the allegation.

So, which "unsubstantiated" is it? It sounds like the one that says "You're guilty, but we can't prove it in court, so we'll just retaliate within our own petty bureaucracy, and if you don't dance to our tune, *then* we'll really kill you in court for not following our bizarre and arbitrary demands."

Perhaps it shall be doubleplusgood if the children start reporting on their parents.


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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 3/5/2015 8:24:14 AM   
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As an attorney who did appointed cps cases for a decade, I agree with you Aylee. That agency will waste thousands of dollars and man power on non-cases and then have no resources left for the real ones.

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RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents - 3/5/2015 8:30:35 AM   
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in all those years, did you ever figure out why that was???
Its actually pretty easy
People lie.
Once you have a way to stop people lying you wont need the funding to pursue the cases out there and can shut down the CPS completely.


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