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bounty44 -> RE: Progressive Education (3/11/2015 7:34:32 PM)

and my goodness---ask how many times ann coulter or other conservative speakers have been chased off campus, shouted down/not allowed to speak, or had things thrown at them?

did you all hear the news about uc Irvine getting (i think) ~1200 people (and about 60 faculty) to sign a petition banning the American flag from certain areas on campus.

we could go on and on and on...

if anyone actually believes campuses are not "liberal bastions", they are severely deluded.




joether -> RE: Progressive Education (3/11/2015 11:12:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: joether
According to the neuro-science in medicine, the human brain does not reach full maturity until age 31-33 for males and 30-32 for females. Very fascinating stuff being found in that field of medicine.

Well I think we're pretty much in agreement here. It probably turns on how one defines "mature". By age 25, the pre-frontal cortex is sufficiently "wired-in" to allow for judgment to begin to trump impulsivity and adult responsibility to manifest. But yes, it's also very true that the brain's internal connections continue to grow well into our thirties. Suffice it to say that 18-year olds don't qualify under either definition.

[image]http://media.npr.org/news/graphics/2010/02/teen-white-matter_300.gif[/image]


Holy Shit, we agree on something....

...oh well, back to my game '7 days to die'!




Kirata -> RE: Progressive Education (3/11/2015 11:34:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: joether

Holy Shit, we agree on something....

...oh well, back to my game '7 days to die'!

Actually, it's even worse than that. We agree on two things! [:D]

K.





joether -> RE: Progressive Education (3/12/2015 11:08:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
and my goodness---ask how many times ann coulter or other conservative speakers have been chased off campus, shouted down/not allowed to speak, or had things thrown at them?


An why are they shouted down/chased out? They state stuff that is totally bogus. They would have you and I believe a total lie, when the evidence is found through an internet search on a smartphone. Many college students, have access to these devices. Do you like being lied to your face? Neither do those college students. When the evidence is found within one minute that Ann Coulter and others are full of shit; they are taken to task for it. Just like.....ANYONE...else on a campus that stated something stupid or untruthful. These people, if they don't realize they are on at location of 'higher learning' and not 'billy bob's farm ranch in Iowa', their idiots to begin! Why are people like Bill Clinton and Bill Nye cheered at? You could argue that they are both liberal. But yet, conservatives in the audience are ALSO cheering them. Its because these two individuals, like others, understand their audience is not a 'pack of high school drop outs', but young people whom are intelligent and have some college time under their belt already.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
did you all hear the news about uc Irvine getting (i think) ~1200 people (and about 60 faculty) to sign a petition banning the American flag from certain areas on campus.


I did hear about it. Thought it was silly. Knew it would not hold up in a 1st amendment court case if it did pass. Fortunately it did not pass. The question would be, what was the problem that created the need to sign a petition?

I had no problem with those that wish to fly the confederate flag. I viewed those as still 'rebelling' from their parents. A normal human behavior. I myself had a good cloth American flag properly hung up on my wall. I knew students that had different flags of different nations. I even knew some that had fantasy and sci-fi flags.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
we could go on and on and on...


Please, go on.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
if anyone actually believes campuses are not "liberal bastions", they are severely deluded.


Here are some conservative schools.

If you are searching for conservative schools, they can be found. I know of one, Pensacola Christian College.

You are against those 'liberal bastions', but yet, do not even know what your talking about. The definition of liberal:

1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism, especially the freedom of the individual and governmental guarantees of individual rights and liberties.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression:
a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6. of or relating to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant:

The root of the word, Liberalis, is Latin for 'Freedom', 'Of Freedom', the 'process of being free'.

So if I understand you right, your against people being free to learn things......




dcnovice -> RE: Progressive Education (3/12/2015 11:19:27 AM)

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bounty44:

ask how many times ann coulter or other conservative speakers have been chased off campus, shouted down/not allowed to speak, or had things thrown at them?

Okay, I'll bite. How many times has that happened?




mnottertail -> RE: Progressive Education (3/12/2015 11:28:35 AM)

remembering it is a complex rhetorical question and has three parts. (just for ann, then we would need a list of the others, in turn)

And speaking fees.

People might let you spew asswipe at them for free.......we are all here, ain't we? But paying you to spew it is an entirely different proposition.




CreativeDominant -> RE: Progressive Education (4/25/2015 8:38:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

remembering it is a complex rhetorical question and has three parts. (just for ann, then we would need a list of the others, in turn)

And speaking fees.

People might let you spew asswipe at them for free.......we are all here, ain't we? But paying you to spew it is an entirely different proposition.

But it's o.k. to bring paid liberal speakers to campus to spew their asswipe? The money to pay for them comes from the same source as the money to pay for conservative speakers.

Speaking of those oh-so-progressive institutions and their "tolerance" for dissenting views...that NO ONE is being forced to attend...news from the University of Maryland:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/24/american-sniper-events-derailed-muslim-student-com/




bounty44 -> RE: Progressive Education (4/25/2015 2:04:19 PM)

unfortunately, sometimes by accident I get to see mnasswipe's posts and in this instance, since someone else actually asked, here is a start for you:

(enjoy reading what your free speech loving younger comrades are up to)

1. scout prime: Coulter Shouted Down

2. Ann Coulter Shouted Down At UConn - The AP...

3. liberal students shout down, Ann Coulter, the...

4. Ann Coulter Ottawa Canada speech shut down due to...

ann coulter threatened

6. Being Shouted Down - News - Students For Academic...

and this doozy:

Conservative Author Is Attacked With Pies - Tucson

while im here. I did an internet search for "liberal speaker shouted down" and got no hits.

do one for "conservative speaker shouted down" and you get pages and pages.





bounty44 -> RE: Progressive Education (4/25/2015 2:06:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

remembering it is a complex rhetorical question and has three parts. (just for ann, then we would need a list of the others, in turn)

And speaking fees.

People might let you spew asswipe at them for free.......we are all here, ain't we? But paying you to spew it is an entirely different proposition.

But it's o.k. to bring paid liberal speakers to campus to spew their asswipe? The money to pay for them comes from the same source as the money to pay for conservative speakers.

Speaking of those oh-so-progressive institutions and their "tolerance" for dissenting views...that NO ONE is being forced to attend...news from the University of Maryland:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/24/american-sniper-events-derailed-muslim-student-com/


I wondered about posting that...and am glad you did...




cloudboy -> RE: Progressive Education (4/25/2015 2:13:53 PM)


So, you're on record as supporting Ann Coulter. Might you proffer any reasons why anyone else should?




Sanity -> RE: Progressive Education (4/25/2015 3:24:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


So, you're on record as supporting Ann Coulter. Might you proffer any reasons why anyone else should?


One doesnt need to "support" such people as Mike Moore or Ann Coulter, to appreciate and cherish the right of everyone to exercise the freedom of speech




CreativeDominant -> RE: Progressive Education (4/25/2015 6:13:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


So, you're on record as supporting Ann Coulter. Might you proffer any reasons why anyone else should?

The fact that there may be some on campus who DO wish to hear her should be all that's needed, cloud. Especially when no one's being forced to attend her speech.




Aylee -> RE: Progressive Education (4/25/2015 6:18:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


So, you're on record as supporting Ann Coulter. Might you proffer any reasons why anyone else should?


I believe he is actually on record for people not being silenced or attacked. Strange way of thinking for you, I know.




CreativeDominant -> RE: Progressive Education (5/3/2015 9:00:35 PM)

Another example of how to shut down debate.

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/the-defenestration-of-a-conservative-professor/




HunterCA -> RE: Progressive Education (5/3/2015 9:15:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


So, you're on record as supporting Ann Coulter. Might you proffer any reasons why anyone else should?


I believe he is actually on record for people not being silenced or attacked. Strange way of thinking for you, I know.


As noted on other threads, Cloudboy doesn't read or see things outside his belief system. He doesn't want to listen or have anyone speak of those things which are outside his kin.




HunterCA -> RE: Progressive Education (5/3/2015 9:19:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


So, you're on record as supporting Ann Coulter. Might you proffer any reasons why anyone else should?



I like Ann. Do you want to know why? I'll tell you anyway. Because she treats liberals just like liberals treat anyone who doesn't think like them. It's so funny to see how liberal's act. I'm sure it makes her a lot of money. And, if liberals could just tolerate other voices, I'm sure she'd make a lot less money. So, Cloudboy, you're helping make her a one percenter. What do you think about that?




HunterCA -> RE: Progressive Education (5/3/2015 11:01:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Another example of how to shut down debate.

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/the-defenestration-of-a-conservative-professor/



Don't forget this one.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/closing-campus-mind_899943.html?page=1





DaddySatyr -> RE: Progressive Education (5/3/2015 11:22:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


>You do forget many undergraduates are either still in their late teens or early twenties. They are going to make mistakes on wisdom calls all the time...

I found this observation interesting, and of course correct. The human brain is not fully mature until the early-mid 20s, and the areas that mediate judgment and risk-assessment are the last to reach full development. Needless to say, that explains a lot of teenage behavior. But it also raises the question of why the U.S. ever let itself be sold on lowering the voting age from 21 to 18. The outcry at the time, based on eligibility for military service, was "Old enough to die, old enough to vote!" which is rather obviously a non sequitur. Is it something in the water?

K.






I believe this with all of my heart. I don't see it as a non sequitur, however. My solution would have been a bit different; I would have raised the age for military service to 21.

I find it hard to believe that a civilized country would send its youth off to die without giving them a say in electing the idiot that sends them off.



Michael




slvemike4u -> RE: Progressive Education (5/3/2015 11:55:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

and my goodness---ask how many times ann coulter or other conservative speakers have been chased off campus, shouted down/not allowed to speak, or had things thrown at them?

did you all hear the news about uc Irvine getting (i think) ~1200 people (and about 60 faculty) to sign a petition banning the American flag from certain areas on campus.

we could go on and on and on...

if anyone actually believes campuses are not "liberal bastions", they are severely deluded.


Perhaps they are "liberal bastions" due to the high density of highly educated folks milling about......


Food for thought bounty ?

Or just another reason to trash education.

Let me guess which way you will jump,lol

seriously laughing my ass off as I consider your response [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]




slvemike4u -> RE: Progressive Education (5/3/2015 11:58:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HunterCA


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


So, you're on record as supporting Ann Coulter. Might you proffer any reasons why anyone else should?



I like Ann. Do you want to know why? I'll tell you anyway. Because she treats liberals just like liberals treat anyone who doesn't think like them. It's so funny to see how liberal's act. I'm sure it makes her a lot of money. And, if liberals could just tolerate other voices, I'm sure she'd make a lot less money. So, Cloudboy, you're helping make her a one percenter. What do you think about that?

You like Ann Coulter and bemoan the lack of civility directed at her but wasn't that you on another thread referring to the former Sec.of State as a "bitch" ?

was that an example of what you meant by civility ?




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