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Mercnbeth -> RE: 3rd Person Slavespeak (7/15/2006 6:52:13 PM)
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ORIGINAL: litleone8620
This slave doesn't understand what the point of refering to herself in the third person is.
well, if this thread is any indication as to why someone would want their slave or sub to do it publicly—that would be obvious—degradation and humiliation from the masses.:) personally, this slave does it because Master requires it.
if you are indeed serious about not understanding, there have been some really good discussion threads about it. The following are all quotes from previous CM threads on the subject, many thanks to the original posters for adding to those threads a few things to consider:
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…In my Household in general, very few slaves are told and ordered to speak without refering to themselves as people. They often have to use "it", "itself", "this ta", and so on and so forth -- because those individuals are not treated as people. they are property, and they are even referred to me in this manner. Individuals skipping their profiles, and skipping their messages is completely acceptable -- because in some cases they are not equal to a servant or even a submissive, much less a Mistress or Master, and no one needs to pay any mind to them.
It may seem cruel, but trust me, it is exactly the type of slavery that some individuals seek. Some for a timeframe, others for long term. Most of those who are into things like that, are actually into objectfication and various other methods of humiliation…
Orig: HayaSierra
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…this slave finds when using third person, she is quickly reminded that Master and Mistress have control of all of her. she must think before she speaks which gives Master and Mistress control of her brain and thinking in oh so many ways.
Third person does give this girl a better acceptance of her place.
this one does not find it humilating at all, humbling, yes.
Nor do Master and Mistress practice any sort of humilation.Even when being corrected by Master and Mistress, she is still called by a term of endearment….
Orig: fyreredsub
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…Properly used, third-person speech does not have to butcher the English language, nor does it have to be difficult to understand or annoying. I actually use it in areas not related to anything in the lifestyle, because professional technical documents and academic papers are always written in the 3rd person.
When I first started using 3rd-person speech, it was part of my monastic training, as I studied for my ordination, and, eventually, for my extended studies as a Justiciar for our Order. I learned many things about the value of separating oneself from situations through neutral, carefully structured language. When I came into the lifestyle, 3rd person speech was already something I was familiar with, including the self-discipline and focus that it required. During my years in service, I spoke in 3rd person at all times, used it in all written communication including internet, and used it publically as well (even with family and friends). Of course, my family and friends had already been exposed to it (and to periods of absolute silence lasting as long as a month at a time) as part of my spiritual disciplines, so nobody was horribly freaked out by it. My employers even provided me with work that I was able to do under the constraints of language and silence required -- and it was respected by my co-workers (yes, I worked for a wonderful and very unusually open company at the time... it wouldn't be possible in the job and with the company that I'm with now.)…
Orig: LadiesBladewing
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…I'm often amused when people take issue with concepts like this one... If it cost you nothing but time and personal attention to obey your owner's command, and it dosen't impact your heath and well-being, why should anyone take issue with it????
~shaking my head and smiling~…
Orig: Calandra
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…This thread focuses on one facet. To some it's a facet flaw which is to be avoided; to other's it represents a unique characteristic. To the people who own the diamond it doesn't matter. They have all the facets to look at. If the question was; "how many slaves get '5 of the best' with a cane before bedtime"; or "how many slaves sleep on the floor" instead of Master's bed"; or "how many slaves sleep in some form of bondage"; those facets would be up to judgment too.
Accept judgment - smile at the "worse case" examples and "comparisons" sited. Be confident that the diamond you've formed from the rock of carbon requires no validation from any source that it is beautiful; and for you "flawless"…
Orig: Merc of Mercnbeth
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…I find it mildly amusing that some people are so damn bored and discontented with their own lives that they'd let such a insignificant thing as how someone else talks bother them so much. Seems to me, if it's causing even the slightest hint of turmoil in a person's life that others speak differently, it might be time to do some self-reflection on what the real issue is…
Orig: Proprietrix
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…Beth : the main thing that people seem to not realize is not the how and when it is done, but the why-- to please Master!
Stef : And that's where it begins and ends. No further explanation should be necessary after that point.
I was agreeing with her. I have no problem at all with Merc's decision that Beth speak in whatever manner he chooses, and I wasn't questioning that at all…Orig: Stef
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…If Angel knows someone... respects them... and wishes to serve them, then she will conciously speak in the manner to which they wish. If I have no desire to serve, then Angel is just who she is. With all respects to cariad, Angel does not revert to 1st person just because that person is not lifestyle but does so only in a reaction to her service. If Angel does not wish to serve, then she does not.
As The Great Emperor Merc has stated, its about what the Master/Mistress wants... or what person who is receiving the 'service' wants, to make them pleased... nothing more, nothing less…
Orig: .darkinshadows.
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…GREAT question!
Speaking exclusively for Merc as it relates to beth, I employ third person speech because I know it takes an effort. I appreciate that effort. I respect that effort. In a 24/7 relationship it isn't 24/7 sex or sessions. But, with the exception of sleep, it is 24/7 conversation, interaction, and communication. Third person speech is a constant reminder and reinforcement for both parties of your relationship. It's mentally empowering, and conversely, beth tells me it's sub-space provoking.
Hope that provides the insight you were seeking…
Orig: Merc of Mercnbeth
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