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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/1/2015 7:42:12 AM   
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and thats it right there in a nutshell
Corporations are raping the public....its all ok
capitalissssssssssssssm rules

It is still amazing to me that so many people do not and DID not understand what its about.
As shown in this thread multiple times.
stupidity should hurt more.



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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/1/2015 7:54:38 AM   
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lets not make it about me tho eh...


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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/1/2015 8:09:43 AM   
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As usual, you know nothing and prove it every time you post korea as the only available country for liberals
lets not make it about me tho eh...



"liberals" - against capitalism... What a fucking joke

Why dont you do us all a huge favor and swear off everything made by evil corporations

Never touch or use anything made by a corporation ever again

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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/1/2015 8:15:15 AM   
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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/1/2015 10:52:26 AM   
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Youll starve

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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/1/2015 4:51:18 PM   
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Four million Americans wrote to the FCC to make it happen. Very proud. All internet companies are created equal, well done.

Well I share your sentiments but too bad it didn't stay that way. They've so consolidated the market have such market power, the govt. needed to step in.
Think about it, how do these ISP's have the power they do ? Out here it's Cox and Century Link and that's about it, so for a phone (land line) and Internet, it's $120/mo. That's a rip off.


Really? There are no other options between Cox and Century Link?

I can get a cable provider (but, pretty much just one option, thanks to government) here to provide my phone and internet, if I so choose (I have). I can get AT&T (may be others, I haven't looked at any other phone companies) to provide my TV, phone and internet, too. I can get my TV and internet from a satellite dish company, too.

You might want to look into why there are only Cox and Century Link. It might be because of government reg's, not from the lack of government reg's.

its cuz the corps that are in the area have ironclad monopolistic contracts with the city/county which last for decades.. even google with its billions cant get in anywhere easily.. they are in only 3 markets right now, that has taken them 5 years.. but they seem to be expanding more rapidly now.. but still.. it could take a long while to become a fiberhood..

http://googlefiberblog.blogspot.com/

.....and if their basic Internet comes to fruition in every city, $25/mo for 12 mos. only...is real competition.

look, if a company like google has this a hard time then what chance is there for any real competition?

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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/1/2015 4:53:46 PM   
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Four million Americans wrote to the FCC to make it happen. Very proud. All internet companies are created equal, well done.

Well I share your sentiments but too bad it didn't stay that way. They've so consolidated the market have such market power, the govt. needed to step in.
Think about it, how do these ISP's have the power they do ? Out here it's Cox and Century Link and that's about it, so for a phone (land line) and Internet, it's $120/mo. That's a rip off.

Really? There are no other options between Cox and Century Link?
I can get a cable provider (but, pretty much just one option, thanks to government) here to provide my phone and internet, if I so choose (I have). I can get AT&T (may be others, I haven't looked at any other phone companies) to provide my TV, phone and internet, too. I can get my TV and internet from a satellite dish company, too.
You might want to look into why there are only Cox and Century Link. It might be because of government reg's, not from the lack of government reg's.

its cuz the corps that are in the area have ironclad monopolistic contracts with the city/county which last for decades.. even google with its billions cant get in anywhere easily.. they are in only 3 markets right now, that has taken them 5 years.. but they seem to be expanding more rapidly now.. but still.. it could take a long while to become a fiberhood..
http://googlefiberblog.blogspot.com/


Thus, it's because of government reg's...


its not govt regs, its govt contracts.. when the contract ends they can kick the previous corp(s) out.. and its local govt, not federal govt..

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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/1/2015 6:43:39 PM   
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its not govt regs, its govt contracts.. when the contract ends they can kick the previous corp(s) out.. and its local govt, not federal govt..


A government "contract" is pretty much government regulation. It's regulating the existence of business.

It's still government, not free market principles, at play.


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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 8:27:55 AM   
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its not govt regs, its govt contracts.. when the contract ends they can kick the previous corp(s) out.. and its local govt, not federal govt..


A government "contract" is pretty much government regulation. It's regulating the existence of business.

It's still government, not free market principles, at play.



And there is no free market, in the entire history of the world, and never will be.



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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 10:07:31 AM   
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its not govt regs, its govt contracts.. when the contract ends they can kick the previous corp(s) out.. and its local govt, not federal govt..


A government "contract" is pretty much government regulation. It's regulating the existence of business.

It's still government, not free market principles, at play.


its cuz the govt morons that signed those contracts were outwitted by Comcast, etc.. its the non-compete clause in those contracts that have them over a barrel..

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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 11:51:04 AM   
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its not govt regs, its govt contracts.. when the contract ends they can kick the previous corp(s) out.. and its local govt, not federal govt..


A government "contract" is pretty much government regulation. It's regulating the existence of business.

It's still government, not free market principles, at play.


There is a difference between a contract and a regulation. One is the creation by two entities agreeing to concepts. The other is created by government. A regulation is the same as an amendment from the US Constitution; it is a law. It was voted upon by Congress and in some ways, the people of the nation at large. A contract is a set of stipulation between two or more sides for one or more final outcomes/conditions to take place. These contracts are not regulated by Congress, but can be regulated by existing laws.

A government contract is not a regulation. Granted the government often puts into the language of the contract 'The Terms and Conditions' of said contract. But then, so does any corporation. Check out your 'rights' with your cell/smart phone to the carrier. How many 'rights' do you have compared to them? In either case, if you fall outside the contract for any number of reasons or conditions, the government can and will execute the penalty side of the contract (if it exists). That you the citizen, can take the matter to a court to have a judge decide if the government's action and/or penalty is allowable given the situation and argument you make (your 1st amendment in action!).

I like when people talk about 'The Free Market Place'. It shows they really have no fucking clue what they are talking about. The market place within the United States is heavily structured. It is this way for a number of basic reasons. From there, each grouping of regulations/laws have reasons why they exist. Further, specific regulations/laws exist for specific reasons. An that usually, people like you have no fucking clue....WHY...those regulations came into existence in the first place! It usually and often has nothing to do with liberal/moderate/conservative political agendas, and more all to do with keeping things safe, sane, and reasonable.

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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 11:56:20 AM   
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its not govt regs, its govt contracts.. when the contract ends they can kick the previous corp(s) out.. and its local govt, not federal govt..


A government "contract" is pretty much government regulation. It's regulating the existence of business.

It's still government, not free market principles, at play.

And there is no free market, in the entire history of the world, and never will be.

If that was true, then the phrase "Let the buyer beware" would never come into existence!

There are plenty of free markets. The definition of 'free' also tends to mean 'knock-off' stuff. You could buy the actual product and know it comes from the actual company; or a flimsy imitation that fails after a number of hours/uses.

There were plenty of free market places in the world during its history. Just as there are plenty of unscrupulous types in those business worlds. Why do Americans hate lawyers or telemarketers so much? But seem uncanny in circumventing laws to annoy you further on shit.

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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 12:08:54 PM   
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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 12:12:44 PM   
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Where in history has there been free buying and selling with full consent of buyers and sellers across the market without government intervention whatsoever?


The black market?

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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 12:21:49 PM   
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Where in history has there been free buying and selling with full consent of buyers and sellers across the market without government intervention whatsoever?


The black market?


My understanding of it is that governments do try rather vigorously in most cases to interfere with that.





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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 12:32:28 PM   
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Where in history has there been free buying and selling with full consent of buyers and sellers across the market without government intervention whatsoever?


The black market?


I know where that is

A guy called "Chief" sells cigarettes for the best prices there

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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 12:52:44 PM   
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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 12:58:44 PM   
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its not govt regs, its govt contracts.. when the contract ends they can kick the previous corp(s) out.. and its local govt, not federal govt..


A government "contract" is pretty much government regulation. It's regulating the existence of business.

It's still government, not free market principles, at play.


IBM used to have govt. contracts and in some cases...still does. Does that stifle their 'innovation ?' Hardly. A govt, contract is like any other except the govt. is the customer.

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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 1:27:43 PM   
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Where in history has there been free buying and selling with full consent of buyers and sellers across the market without government intervention whatsoever?


The black market?


My understanding of it is that governments do try rather vigorously in most cases to interfere with that.






Well yes, and it is their interference in the first place that leads to the black market.

My other example would be bartering, which is, interestingly enough, making a bit of a come back in some circles.

Now, they may end up with government interference now since many of these barters are facilitated on the internet.

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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 2:02:26 PM   
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its not govt regs, its govt contracts.. when the contract ends they can kick the previous corp(s) out.. and its local govt, not federal govt..

A government "contract" is pretty much government regulation. It's regulating the existence of business.
It's still government, not free market principles, at play.

its cuz the govt morons that signed those contracts were outwitted by Comcast, etc.. its the non-compete clause in those contracts that have them over a barrel..


You can't really be serious. Morons that get outwitted by Comcast, etc. probably shouldn't have been running for office.

How far are you willing to bend over backward to not accept that government shoulders a big part of the blame?


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