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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 2:04:41 PM   
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its not govt regs, its govt contracts.. when the contract ends they can kick the previous corp(s) out.. and its local govt, not federal govt..

A government "contract" is pretty much government regulation. It's regulating the existence of business.
It's still government, not free market principles, at play.

There is a difference between a contract and a regulation. One is the creation by two entities agreeing to concepts. The other is created by government. A regulation is the same as an amendment from the US Constitution; it is a law. It was voted upon by Congress and in some ways, the people of the nation at large. A contract is a set of stipulation between two or more sides for one or more final outcomes/conditions to take place. These contracts are not regulated by Congress, but can be regulated by existing laws.
A government contract is not a regulation. Granted the government often puts into the language of the contract 'The Terms and Conditions' of said contract. But then, so does any corporation. Check out your 'rights' with your cell/smart phone to the carrier. How many 'rights' do you have compared to them? In either case, if you fall outside the contract for any number of reasons or conditions, the government can and will execute the penalty side of the contract (if it exists). That you the citizen, can take the matter to a court to have a judge decide if the government's action and/or penalty is allowable given the situation and argument you make (your 1st amendment in action!).
I like when people talk about 'The Free Market Place'. It shows they really have no fucking clue what they are talking about. The market place within the United States is heavily structured. It is this way for a number of basic reasons. From there, each grouping of regulations/laws have reasons why they exist. Further, specific regulations/laws exist for specific reasons. An that usually, people like you have no fucking clue....WHY...those regulations came into existence in the first place! It usually and often has nothing to do with liberal/moderate/conservative political agendas, and more all to do with keeping things safe, sane, and reasonable.


You clearly don't have a clue, but you continue anyway...


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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 2:06:36 PM   
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its not govt regs, its govt contracts.. when the contract ends they can kick the previous corp(s) out.. and its local govt, not federal govt..

A government "contract" is pretty much government regulation. It's regulating the existence of business.
It's still government, not free market principles, at play.

IBM used to have govt. contracts and in some cases...still does. Does that stifle their 'innovation ?' Hardly. A govt, contract is like any other except the govt. is the customer.


What was the contract for? To supply IBM products to the government? Is that even slightly similar to government granting near monopoly status to a company for a certain area?

I didn't think so.


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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 2:28:26 PM   
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I'm just a simple man here in this case, and confused by all the arguments, debates, mud slinging, name calling, and so on. What, objectively, is the issue here?

From what I understand and read, some are objecting not so much over the issue itself, but because of that word "regulation". It is as if "regulation" means "manipulation".. But.. isn't that what the Big ISP's are already doing, and the FCC is trying to slap their hands and tell them "No, bad ISP! Preserve Net Neutrality!" or am I truly misunderstanding the concept here? And please don't give me politically tainted opinions, fallacious arguments and conclusions; I want objective facts.

Frankly, I believe there is a time and place for "anarchy", "free market", and so on, just as there is a time and place for "government intervention, regulation and control". I see people make the claim that the government does not do it's job of protecting them from the criminals, but those same people get their blood pressure u the moment the government tries to step in and do what needs to be done to provide that protection. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Last year, I dumped Comcast because they started to run transparent proxy services.. which happened to block some sites which pushed political agendas that Comcast disagreed with. Comcast denied and still denies that they did that.. Claiming it was some technical problem with the websites, nothing to do with Comcast. But I'd switch to my Clear Internet dongle, and those websites would load without a single problem. Same when I switched to FIOS; Those websites loaded fine since then. While I have no proof, all the evidence does suggest that Comcast was indeed filtering and controlling what content I was allowed to see, not allowing me free access to the information I wanted in which to make up my own mind. They only wanted me to be able to see the information that supported their views, and block anything which challenged them. How is that net neutrality? How is that free and open market? How is that encouraging general innovation, rather than only innovation which supports their agenda? How is that any different than the claims that "government regulation" will stifle competition of opposing views?

It was Comcast that was filtering and censoring, telling me what and how to think.

And I see the FCC decision as the government slapping them on the wrist and saying "No, you cannot do that!" I see the FCC not as trying to censor the Internet, but as trying to ensure that no single company is allowed to have the power to censor it.. not because the government wants that singular power, but because the Big ISP's have already shown they already ARE abusing that power, an shown that they want to CONTINUE to do so, by controlling the availability, ease, speed and cost of content that either pays them big money, or that which they "approve" of.

But Ill also admit that this is just my opinions based on my limited understanding of the issue and my own personal experiences. I do not have a listing of hundreds of sites which "prove" or "back up" my single view, while ignoring the other hundreds that provide contrary data. I simply look at each as trying to push their own agenda, and none of them as being the "ultimate, unbiased, objective proof".. because let's face it.. almost every source of information out there is in one way or another, just another form of "Fox News".

The only solution, IMO, is to read and understand both sides, exercise my own thinking abilities, and make up my own mind, not ask them to make it up for me.

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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 3:04:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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its not govt regs, its govt contracts.. when the contract ends they can kick the previous corp(s) out.. and its local govt, not federal govt..

A government "contract" is pretty much government regulation. It's regulating the existence of business.
It's still government, not free market principles, at play.

its cuz the govt morons that signed those contracts were outwitted by Comcast, etc.. its the non-compete clause in those contracts that have them over a barrel..


You can't really be serious. Morons that get outwitted by Comcast, etc. probably shouldn't have been running for office.

How far are you willing to bend over backward to not accept that government shoulders a big part of the blame?


well.. those local govt morons get elected so who elects them??? and then re-elects them! (hint: its not me!)

I never said govt wasn't to blame, the local morons in the local govt are the ones that signed the contracts so they are the ones to blame.. but you argue its existing (federal?) govt regulations that are to blame.. from the original article in the OP regarding new regulations that are needed to take back power & control from the Comcasts that have been running the show-

"Explaining the reason for the regulation, Mr. Wheeler, a Democrat, said that Internet access was “too important to let broadband providers be the ones making the rules.”"


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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 3:27:15 PM   
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Last year, I dumped Comcast because they started to run transparent proxy services.. which happened to block some sites which pushed political agendas that Comcast disagreed with. Comcast denied and still denies that they did that.. Claiming it was some technical problem with the websites, nothing to do with Comcast. But I'd switch to my Clear Internet dongle, and those websites would load without a single problem. Same when I switched to FIOS; Those websites loaded fine since then. While I have no proof, all the evidence does suggest that Comcast was indeed filtering and controlling what content I was allowed to see, not allowing me free access to the information I wanted in which to make up my own mind. They only wanted me to be able to see the information that supported their views, and block anything which challenged them. How is that net neutrality?

How is that free and open market?


You already answered your question: "Last year, I dumped Comcast because they started to run transparent proxy services."

You didn't like what they were doing (and I don't disagree with you), so you dumped them. Free market working as it should!

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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 3:36:31 PM   
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I never said govt wasn't to blame, the local morons in the local govt are the ones that signed the contracts so they are the ones to blame.. but you argue its existing (federal?) govt regulations that are to blame.. from the original article in the OP regarding new regulations that are needed to take back power & control from the Comcasts that have been running the show-


I never said anything about Federal government regulations. I said it was "government" regulations. "New" regulations aren't needed. Roll back the current regulations instead. That's part of the problem in the US. Not only does government interference tend to skew the Market away from freedom (usually), the answer is pretty much always more government intervention, instead of reducing it. Don't allow cable companies or phone companies or gas companies, etc. a monopoly over a territory. Let competition reign.

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"Explaining the reason for the regulation, Mr. Wheeler, a Democrat, said that Internet access was “too important to let broadband providers be the ones making the rules.”"


Broadband providers aren't making the rules. The Market will end up dictating the rules that consumers want and are willing to pay for. It might not work as quickly as we might want it to work, but it will work.


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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 4:13:35 PM   
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I never said govt wasn't to blame, the local morons in the local govt are the ones that signed the contracts so they are the ones to blame.. but you argue its existing (federal?) govt regulations that are to blame.. from the original article in the OP regarding new regulations that are needed to take back power & control from the Comcasts that have been running the show-


I never said anything about Federal government regulations. I said it was "government" regulations. "New" regulations aren't needed. Roll back the current regulations instead. That's part of the problem in the US. Not only does government interference tend to skew the Market away from freedom (usually), the answer is pretty much always more government intervention, instead of reducing it. Don't allow cable companies or phone companies or gas companies, etc. a monopoly over a territory. Let competition reign.

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"Explaining the reason for the regulation, Mr. Wheeler, a Democrat, said that Internet access was “too important to let broadband providers be the ones making the rules.”"


Broadband providers aren't making the rules. The Market will end up dictating the rules that consumers want and are willing to pay for. It might not work as quickly as we might want it to work, but it will work.


Yes they sure as hell are making the rules.. which is why cities in 18 states cant set up their own community internet.. cuz the Comcasts have lobbied state govts making it illegal for cities to do that..

"Yes, today’s Federal Communications Ruling that both broadband and mobile Internet access providers are utilities is a big deal. This lets the commission enforce so-called net neutrality rules that prevent providers from favoring one type of Internet traffic over another.

But another vote taken today is just as a important. The FCC also decided, 3-2, to overturn bans against municipal broadband in two states so that cities there can offer their own Internet access.

This is significant because 18 other states have similar bans, including Texas. While today’s ruling focused on just two instances, it indicates the FCC is opposed to such bans, and could rule against other, similar state laws.

Those bans are largely the result of lobbying by existing telephone and cable companies who convinced legislators that allowing cities to build out and sell Internet access was anti-competitive. The Texas law is particularly strict and forbids cities from even partnering with commercial Internet companies."


http://blog.chron.com/techblog/2015/02/after-fcc-vote-can-texas-cities-now-offer-their-own-internet-access/

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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 4:41:57 PM   
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Yes they sure as hell are making the rules.. which is why cities in 18 states cant set up their own community internet.. cuz the Comcasts have lobbied state govts making it illegal for cities to do that..


Whoops. Government regulation at it's finest, no?


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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 7:20:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: tj444
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: tj444
its not govt regs, its govt contracts.. when the contract ends they can kick the previous corp(s) out.. and its local govt, not federal govt..

A government "contract" is pretty much government regulation. It's regulating the existence of business.
It's still government, not free market principles, at play.

its cuz the govt morons that signed those contracts were outwitted by Comcast, etc.. its the non-compete clause in those contracts that have them over a barrel..


You can't really be serious. Morons that get outwitted by Comcast, etc. probably shouldn't have been running for office.

How far are you willing to bend over backward to not accept that government shoulders a big part of the blame?


I can accept [it] if show me specifically and exactly what you are talking about. Just because govt. may be involved, doesn't mean the market suffers at all from regulation.

Defense is 100% govt. and they seem to be quite profitable and have undergone quite a bit of even more profitable consolidation. Just look at the growth of the Carlyle group for just one example.

But not quite yet.....Here

To maintain net neutrality, is to keep the the Internet just as it is rather than allow the biggies to begin to dictate new terms where as I wrote, billion$ more in profits without any new innovations or investment or...a single new job.

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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 8:02:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: tj444
its not govt regs, its govt contracts.. when the contract ends they can kick the previous corp(s) out.. and its local govt, not federal govt..

A government "contract" is pretty much government regulation. It's regulating the existence of business.
It's still government, not free market principles, at play.

its cuz the govt morons that signed those contracts were outwitted by Comcast, etc.. its the non-compete clause in those contracts that have them over a barrel..

You can't really be serious. Morons that get outwitted by Comcast, etc. probably shouldn't have been running for office.
How far are you willing to bend over backward to not accept that government shoulders a big part of the blame?

I can accept [it] if show me specifically and exactly what you are talking about. Just because govt. may be involved, doesn't mean the market suffers at all from regulation.
Defense is 100% govt. and they seem to be quite profitable and have undergone quite a bit of even more profitable consolidation. Just look at the growth of the Carlyle group for just one example.
But not quite yet.....Here
To maintain net neutrality, is to keep the the Internet just as it is rather than allow the biggies to begin to dictate new terms where as I wrote, billion$ more in profits without any new innovations or investment or...a single new job.


I have not yet decided if I'm for or against "net neutrality." On it's face, sure, it sounds great. But, as we've all seen, the Devil is in the details, and I have yet to look into the details.

But, this path I'm on has gone on to speak about the utter lack of competition in your area.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa034.html

http://tbo.com/list/news-opinion-commentary/dont-blame-comcast-and-time-warner-for-cable-monopolies-20140305/


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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 9:03:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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its not govt regs, its govt contracts.. when the contract ends they can kick the previous corp(s) out.. and its local govt, not federal govt..

A government "contract" is pretty much government regulation. It's regulating the existence of business.
It's still government, not free market principles, at play.

IBM used to have govt. contracts and in some cases...still does. Does that stifle their 'innovation ?' Hardly. A govt, contract is like any other except the govt. is the customer.


What was the contract for? To supply IBM products to the government? Is that even slightly similar to government granting near monopoly status to a company for a certain area?

I didn't think so.


No but it is govt. contracting which only means the govt. is the customer.

However, the two original satellite radio (Sirius and XM) companies were granted a legally regulated duopoly. It didn't do them any good because of greed and incompetence.

Then govt, went along with investor wishes and combined the two in a legal monopoly. [It] still can't manage beyond the debt and incompetence. So monopoly status is neither a cure or panacea for success.

In the end I don't see how the FTC vote is even on point...there would be no monopoly created.

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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/2/2015 9:31:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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its not govt regs, its govt contracts.. when the contract ends they can kick the previous corp(s) out.. and its local govt, not federal govt..

A government "contract" is pretty much government regulation. It's regulating the existence of business.
It's still government, not free market principles, at play.

its cuz the govt morons that signed those contracts were outwitted by Comcast, etc.. its the non-compete clause in those contracts that have them over a barrel..

You can't really be serious. Morons that get outwitted by Comcast, etc. probably shouldn't have been running for office.
How far are you willing to bend over backward to not accept that government shoulders a big part of the blame?

I can accept [it] if show me specifically and exactly what you are talking about. Just because govt. may be involved, doesn't mean the market suffers at all from regulation.
Defense is 100% govt. and they seem to be quite profitable and have undergone quite a bit of even more profitable consolidation. Just look at the growth of the Carlyle group for just one example.
But not quite yet.....Here
To maintain net neutrality, is to keep the the Internet just as it is rather than allow the biggies to begin to dictate new terms where as I wrote, billion$ more in profits without any new innovations or investment or...a single new job.


I have not yet decided if I'm for or against "net neutrality." On it's face, sure, it sounds great. But, as we've all seen, the Devil is in the details, and I have yet to look into the details.

But, this path I'm on has gone on to speak about the utter lack of competition in your area.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa034.html

http://tbo.com/list/news-opinion-commentary/dont-blame-comcast-and-time-warner-for-cable-monopolies-20140305/


Sorry DS, both links are untrue when it comes to net-neutrality. One passes the buck to local govt. where now with 'ComWarner' or whatever...where are they supposed to go for competition ?

The other link trying to suggest this is Orwellian is more accurate because of the megamerger not because of the FTC ruling. The feds don't protect the market, leaving no alternative for the locals and the monopoly will rule the news, media and do the brainwashing...in cable.

We'll see prices for cable go up now with it. ($1 million for rights is less than peanuts)

Plus being about cable and not the Internet doesn't apply because the Internet is open to much wider competition if ALL levels of govt. refrain from being bought by the richest and seek oligopoly control.


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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/3/2015 6:56:27 AM   
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I rather appreciated CNET's take on the subject...

http://www.cnet.com/news/net-neutrality-a-reality-fcc-votes-to-bring-internet-under-utility-style-rules/?ftag=CAD9f89b0c&bhid=25556097038415808706464124709480

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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/3/2015 5:14:47 PM   
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I rather appreciated CNET's take on the subject...

http://www.cnet.com/news/net-neutrality-a-reality-fcc-votes-to-bring-internet-under-utility-style-rules/?ftag=CAD9f89b0c&bhid=25556097038415808706464124709480


Thank you MercTech. My man here has suggested that I read more and get up on things digital as long as I am going to spend so much time spreading safety and pleasure here.

The best part of your link is:

"These companies argue that applying outdated regulation to the broadband industry will stifle innovation by hurting investment opportunities in networks. It could also allow the government to impose new taxes and tariffs, which would increase consumer bills. And they say it could even allow the government to force network operators to share their infrastructure with competitors.

Wheeler has said these fears are overblown. The agency is ignoring aspects of the Title II regulation that would apply most of the onerous requirements.

He said critics have painted his proposal as "a secret plan to regulate the Internet."

His response to that? "Nonsense. This is no more a plan to regulate the Internet than the First Amendment is a plan to regulate free speech. They both stand for the same concept: openness."


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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/3/2015 6:02:08 PM   
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I have not yet decided if I'm for or against "net neutrality." On it's face, sure, it sounds great. But, as we've all seen, the Devil is in the details, and I have yet to look into the details.
But, this path I'm on has gone on to speak about the utter lack of competition in your area.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa034.html
http://tbo.com/list/news-opinion-commentary/dont-blame-comcast-and-time-warner-for-cable-monopolies-20140305/

Sorry DS, both links are untrue when it comes to net-neutrality. One passes the buck to local govt. where now with 'ComWarner' or whatever...where are they supposed to go for competition ?
The other link trying to suggest this is Orwellian is more accurate because of the megamerger not because of the FTC ruling. The feds don't protect the market, leaving no alternative for the locals and the monopoly will rule the news, media and do the brainwashing...in cable.
We'll see prices for cable go up now with it. ($1 million for rights is less than peanuts)
Plus being about cable and not the Internet doesn't apply because the Internet is open to much wider competition if ALL levels of govt. refrain from being bought by the richest and seek oligopoly control.


You're going to give government control over the internet, even though you believe government is for sale to the highest bidder (which I'm not disagreeing with)?!?


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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/3/2015 8:39:15 PM   
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It is kind of interesting that the little guys won against the BIG BOY$$$ and their formidable lobbying machine.

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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/3/2015 8:41:59 PM   
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CNET did not offer any kind of take, it just posted a news based story about what happened.

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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/3/2015 11:08:37 PM   
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I have not yet decided if I'm for or against "net neutrality." On it's face, sure, it sounds great. But, as we've all seen, the Devil is in the details, and I have yet to look into the details.
But, this path I'm on has gone on to speak about the utter lack of competition in your area.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa034.html
http://tbo.com/list/news-opinion-commentary/dont-blame-comcast-and-time-warner-for-cable-monopolies-20140305/

Sorry DS, both links are untrue when it comes to net-neutrality. One passes the buck to local govt. where now with 'ComWarner' or whatever...where are they supposed to go for competition ?
The other link trying to suggest this is Orwellian is more accurate because of the megamerger not because of the FTC ruling. The feds don't protect the market, leaving no alternative for the locals and the monopoly will rule the news, media and do the brainwashing...in cable.
We'll see prices for cable go up now with it. ($1 million for rights is less than peanuts)
Plus being about cable and not the Internet doesn't apply because the Internet is open to much wider competition if ALL levels of govt. refrain from being bought by the richest and seek oligopoly control.


You're going to give government control over the internet, even though you believe government is for sale to the highest bidder (which I'm not disagreeing with)?!?


Yep, otherwise the biggies will have carte blanche to rape us some more. If Google can do the major cities for $25/mo. that will be a real blow for competition, even though it will be a few years.

Nothing the govt. did here will stop that or anyone else from coming in at less than the fucking $87/mo I am paying now for semi-slow shit from Cox.

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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/4/2015 7:14:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


CNET did not offer any kind of take, it just posted a news based story about what happened.


Yep, they published verifiable facts without engaging in an agenda based spin doctoring.
I found that a refreshing take on the story.

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RE: FCC votes 3-2...Internet is a utility. - 3/4/2015 7:24:18 AM   
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have to admit that I havent read it yet Merc, but the bit jon oliver did about it was very good, did you see it? His show was the "prime"reason the FCC got so many complaints. I believe it broke the website
Im just out of hospital and still a bit wooooozy, but I will give the cnet article a look at when Im more with it.:).
I also have a piece about the effect that the decision on net neutrality also affects us here in Canada that I wanted to share.
OH Jon Olivers take on net neutrality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpbOEoRrHyU

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